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This event deserves its own thread.
To quote the illustrious Dr. King -- "Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, we're free at last! So, how much y'all want to bet we'll stay here for a few sols, looking very carefully at the tracks and waiting for the MER Team to figure out how to proceed from here? -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jun 7 2005, 12:28 AM
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I'm no geologist but as I look at this shot of Erebus:
http://www.marsgeo.com/Photos/Opportunity/Etched.jpg It looks like there is a circumferential ring around the obvious center of the crater and that this ring crosses Opie's course right about where she got stuck! Could this be the origional outer edge of the crater which is much larger than supposed and has now been filled with dust? If one uses a lot of imagination one can see parts of a corresponding arc continuing around the southern side of the center. Could it be that Opie started to approach the original rim of the Erebus crater? I have a real bad feeling about going any closer to Erebus center from the north. Better to go around it and approach from the south if it looks more solid in the etched area? |
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Jun 7 2005, 05:24 AM
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QUOTE (Trader @ Jun 7 2005, 12:28 AM) I'm no geologist but as I look at this shot of Erebus: http://www.marsgeo.com/Photos/Opportunity/Etched.jpg It looks like there is a circumferential ring around the obvious center of the crater and that this ring crosses Opie's course right about where she got stuck! Could this be the origional outer edge of the crater which is much larger than supposed and has now been filled with dust? If one uses a lot of imagination one can see parts of a corresponding arc continuing around the southern side of the center. Could it be that Opie started to approach the original rim of the Erebus crater? I have a real bad feeling about going any closer to Erebus center from the north. Better to go around it and approach from the south if it looks more solid in the etched area? This "bad feeling" hit me too, when answering to and interesting question from Vladimorka in the other active thread (http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=947&view=findpost&p=11968)... My fear is that, based on bottom of rover tracks profile, Opportunity is entering in a completely new terrain, were hard soil became deeper and is covered by thicker sand layer... extention of this new terrain is clearly visible in this elaborated version of your image (I highlighted upper border): ![]() In the "route map" thread, someone theorized that this terrain (called "Terra Nova") could be an ancient, buried crater, eventually overlapping Erebus north Rim. If this is true, they should avoid moving directly to South direction and try to circumnavigate the hidden crated going to east! -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Jun 7 2005, 06:14 AM
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Hi Trader and Dilo,
I am afraid you may be right. This suposed buried crater at north of Erebus is not obvious, but now that you showed it, it is visible. Note that there is also one buried crater east of Erebus. Oppy should avoid both. If so, you are right, Oppy should go east immediately and only after resume its road south to the etched terrain. This etched terrain could be only the same layer of rock than in Endurance, just more exposed. But it could also be different, as the abundance of large craters indicates it is more ancient. Anyway there seem to be, in etched terrain, larger dunes, rocks and pits, which make it very dangerous. |
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Jun 7 2005, 07:46 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jun 7 2005, 01:14 AM) Hi Trader and Dilo, I am afraid you may be right. This suposed buried crater at north of Erebus is not obvious, but now that you showed it, it is visible. Note that there is also one buried crater east of Erebus. Oppy should avoid both. If so, you are right, Oppy should go east immediately and only after resume its road south to the etched terrain. This etched terrain could be only the same layer of rock than in Endurance, just more exposed. But it could also be different, as the abundance of large craters indicates it is more ancient. Anyway there seem to be, in etched terrain, larger dunes, rocks and pits, which make it very dangerous. I believe I disagree entirely. We have ground truth as to what the current terrain is like -- that scalloped, fish-scale pattern of light markings are high drifts of very soft material. The first time Oppy tried to drive through the center of the lightest portion of one of those scalloped features, it got stuck in very soft powder. To the east (right), there is nothing but more of this fish-scale patterning. We know that this is going to be more of the rover-trap soft-powder dunes. The darker area, on the other hand, looks like it's back to the blueberry pavement with low (10cm or less) drifts. It looks like far safer and faster driving than going to the east. In fact, I'd head southwest to get to this darker unit as fast as possible, and then straighten out to the south and head for the rim of Erebus. Now, getting from Erebus to Victoria could be dicey, since there are a lot of obvious tall drifts and serious dunes crossing the rim and extending to the east -- just the direction you want to go to reach Victoria... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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dvandorn Free! Jun 4 2005, 06:21 PM
akuo Surely does deserve a new thread. Otherwise people... Jun 4 2005, 07:28 PM
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wb6jbm WIIGII!!!!!!!!... Jun 4 2005, 07:56 PM
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Tesheiner Hi all,
I was planning to periodically update thi... Jun 6 2005, 03:38 PM
odave Wow, I go away for a weekend and look what I misse... Jun 6 2005, 05:53 PM
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alan Last image of the left rear wheel before becoming ... Jun 6 2005, 06:28 PM
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mhoward RE: Free! Jun 7 2005, 01:38 PM
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dot.dk "The Great Escape" the movie
http://... Jun 6 2005, 07:21 PM
odave Fantastic, dot.dk! The movies really give an... Jun 6 2005, 07:59 PM
Reckless QUOTE (dot.dk @ Jun 6 2005, 08:21 PM)"Th... Jun 6 2005, 10:22 PM
Sunspot http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8119808/
NASA plots M... Jun 6 2005, 11:11 PM
dot.dk QUOTE (Sunspot @ Jun 6 2005, 11:11 PM)http://... Jun 6 2005, 11:52 PM

Richard Trigaux Hello dvandorn,
who is right, you or Trader and D... Jun 7 2005, 12:16 PM
sranderson QUOTE (Trader @ Jun 6 2005, 06:28 PM)I'm ... Jun 8 2005, 04:07 PM
CosmicRocker QUOTE (odave @ Jun 6 2005, 11:53 AM)Since nea... Jun 7 2005, 06:04 AM
Trader Hi dvandorn,
Appreciate your comments -- have bee... Jun 7 2005, 03:15 PM
dvandorn All of this is my best guess -- after all, I'm... Jun 7 2005, 04:16 PM
Richard Trigaux Trader,
I also noticed that the volume of disturb... Jun 7 2005, 04:56 PM

dvandorn QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jun 7 2005, 11:56 AM... Jun 7 2005, 05:30 PM
dilo Doug, I sincerly hope you are right!
If, afte... Jun 7 2005, 05:43 PM
Trader Hi Richard, Dilo and dvandorn,
First, thanks Rich... Jun 8 2005, 12:46 AM
Bill Harris The fluffy-dust surface material the snared Oppy i... Jun 8 2005, 01:59 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Jun 7 2005, 08:59 PM)...... Jun 8 2005, 03:18 AM
Richard Trigaux Dvandorn,
thanks for the discution about the poss... Jun 8 2005, 06:25 AM
dot.dk QUOTE (sranderson @ Jun 8 2005, 04:07 PM)Any ... Jun 8 2005, 04:10 PM
sranderson QUOTE (dot.dk @ Jun 8 2005, 10:10 AM)Here: ht... Jun 8 2005, 05:51 PM
Stephen This is probably OT but it didn't seem worthwh... Jun 9 2005, 02:25 AM
dilo TOTALLY un-needed quote removed - there is no need... Jun 9 2005, 04:49 AM
Tesheiner Hi Stephen,
Those pics are shots of the rover tra... Jun 9 2005, 09:48 AM
Analyst Sorry for being OT (Besides this thread already is... Jun 9 2005, 04:56 AM
Mode5 Very appropriate as we went in the wrong way. Nex... Jun 10 2005, 09:07 AM
dilo There was slight further "back" movement... Jun 11 2005, 05:36 AM
Richard Trigaux Interesting remark:
the new traces are over forme... Jun 11 2005, 06:45 AM
dilo QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jun 11 2005, 06:45 A... Jun 11 2005, 07:33 AM
jvandriel Here is the forward panoramic view of Opportunity ... Jun 11 2005, 11:52 AM
Jeff7 Just a little musing here. I've attached a pic... Jun 11 2005, 01:56 PM
dilo Interesting observations, Jeff. The small crest yo... Jun 11 2005, 04:20 PM
David Was that feature there before Opportunity got stuc... Jun 11 2005, 04:28 PM
dilo QUOTE (David @ Jun 11 2005, 04:28 PM)Was that... Jun 11 2005, 10:28 PM
jvandriel And here is the panoramic view looking back after ... Jun 11 2005, 11:55 AM
dot.dk Some more meters today
http://qt.exploratorium.ed... Jun 11 2005, 09:22 PM
Pando Yes, they will turn around and re-approach the dun... Jun 11 2005, 09:42 PM
dilo QUOTE (Pando @ Jun 11 2005, 09:42 PM)Yes, the... Jun 12 2005, 06:25 AM
SFJCody QUOTE (dilo @ Jun 12 2005, 06:25 AM)...it see... Jun 12 2005, 08:56 AM
Tesheiner QUOTE (SFJCody @ Jun 12 2005, 10:56 AM)The la... Jun 12 2005, 02:11 PM
Jeff7 Something I first noticed today - it seems like th... Jun 12 2005, 03:10 PM
abalone I hope a stereo image is of some use in getting a ... Jun 15 2005, 07:19 AM
abalone Here is the newer perspective. Jun 15 2005, 08:08 AM
jvandriel A panoramic view of the wheeltracks from another p... Jun 15 2005, 09:17 AM
Marcel Great image ! I don't understand though th... Jun 15 2005, 10:48 AM
Nirgal QUOTE (Marcel @ Jun 15 2005, 12:48 PM)Great i... Jun 15 2005, 11:05 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Nirgal @ Jun 15 2005, 06:05 AM)just a ... Jun 15 2005, 04:47 PM
abalone QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 16 2005, 03:47 AM)I agr... Jun 17 2005, 07:19 AM
Tman A difference in composition of the ground should p... Jun 17 2005, 10:17 AM
Myran QUOTE (Tman @ Jun 17 2005, 11:17 AM)....when ... Jun 17 2005, 01:12 PM
Phil Stooke The image in the last post shows a track in the ... Jun 17 2005, 01:16 PM
Myran Yes im fully aware this is all part of the somewha... Jun 17 2005, 01:48 PM
Marcel OK all you thinkers, this is a hard question that ... Jun 17 2005, 02:01 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Marcel @ Jun 17 2005, 09:01 AM)Could i... Jun 17 2005, 02:43 PM

RNeuhaus QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 17 2005, 09:43 AM)The s... Jun 17 2005, 10:21 PM

dvandorn I think you're right. They might want to re-t... Jun 18 2005, 03:27 AM

abalone QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 18 2005, 02:27 PM)I thi... Jun 18 2005, 11:33 AM
crusafontia QUOTE (Marcel @ Jun 17 2005, 09:01 AM)OK all ... Jun 17 2005, 08:48 PM
abalone QUOTE (crusafontia @ Jun 18 2005, 07:48 AM)It... Jun 17 2005, 09:57 PM
jvandriel Here is another view of the Wheeltracks leading to... Jun 18 2005, 02:50 PM
dilo The same panorama for Sol499 (final approach to Pu... Jun 20 2005, 05:50 AM
alan NO! OPPY NO! Jun 20 2005, 06:33 AM
dvandorn Don't tell me they're *really* going to ap... Jun 20 2005, 06:44 AM
abalone QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 20 2005, 05:44 PM)Don... Jun 20 2005, 10:38 AM
akuo Why not?
If Oppy only goes as far as the tracks a... Jun 20 2005, 08:44 AM
Sunspot QUOTE (akuo @ Jun 20 2005, 09:44 AM)I just ho... Jun 20 2005, 08:52 AM
edstrick Uh... it's pretty obvious exactly how far they... Jun 20 2005, 09:16 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (edstrick @ Jun 20 2005, 04:16 AM)I sti... Jun 20 2005, 02:38 PM
djellison I still think they should do more work here - figu... Jun 20 2005, 10:10 AM
mhoward Here's the latest movie of the three-point tur... Jun 20 2005, 01:36 PM
alan Oppy's 500th Sol today! Jun 20 2005, 08:07 PM
djellison A few days old - but I made this in response to a ... Jun 20 2005, 08:10 PM
Bill Harris Happy Happy!
QUOTE response to a little trol... Jun 20 2005, 08:17 PM![]() ![]() |
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