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post Jun 4 2005, 06:21 PM
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This event deserves its own thread.

To quote the illustrious Dr. King -- "Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, we're free at last!

So, how much y'all want to bet we'll stay here for a few sols, looking very carefully at the tracks and waiting for the MER Team to figure out how to proceed from here?

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post Jun 29 2005, 03:20 AM
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Ok, I thought it was obvious but...

pan cam l2 - sol 496

Look carefully just below the center of the frame. There are stream lined little islands of dust with a blue berry at head. Wind tails! The wind direction is blowing cross frame and slightly away. The evidence is all over the frame. Take a look at the top track. There are tendrils of dark matterial streching across the track. They also cross multiple treads. And don't appear in the earlier shot. They would appear to be minor ripples that are marching along. Compare the treads between the earlier shot and this one. Or even the top track's treads and the bottom track. They are filling in and eroding away.

This, too me, is evidence that the dunes are currently active. So it is not a matter of how old are the dunes, but how fast are they changing.

Sorry for being too vague in my earlier post.

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post Jun 30 2005, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Jun 29 2005, 03:20 AM)
Compare the treads between the earlier shot and this one.  Or even the top track's treads and the bottom track.  They are filling in and eroding away.

This, too me, is evidence that the dunes are currently active.  So it is not a matter of how old are the dunes, but how fast are they changing.


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That's impressive- thanks for pointing out the changes. I'm not sure this is evidence for active dunes, though. The tops of the dunes are armored by a layer of blueberries and/or other coarse debris. Oppy's wheels have disturbed that armor, exposing fine dust which is then easily picked up and moved by the wind. The dunes themselves may not move unless the wind is strong enough to disturb the armor or somehow pick up grains from beneath it.
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post Jul 1 2005, 06:10 AM
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Mossbauer intrument made some pressure inside the right track (Sol 507) ph34r.gif :


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QUOTE (dilo @ Jul 1 2005, 01:10 AM)
Mossbauer intrument made some pressure inside the right track (Sol 507)  ph34r.gif :

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Incredible fine sand like a powder. blink.gif It looks that the sand has somewhat humidity because of the presence of cracks. Who else can tell more about this?

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A fine enough powder acts like this in the complete absence of moisture -- in fact, moisture keeps a fine powder from acting this way. Try pressing some flour down onto a plate and see what it looks like... you'll get cracks like this.

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QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 1 2005, 09:45 AM)
A fine enough powder acts like this in the complete absence of moisture -- in fact, moisture keeps a fine powder from acting this way.  Try pressing some flour down onto a plate and see what it looks like... you'll get cracks like this.

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Thing is though, a dry day on Earth would probably be outright dank and humid for Mars. This is low grav, low air pressure powder here.
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Yes, but an average day on Mars would be considered tremendously dank and humid (and air-filled) on the Moon, and you see lunar dust forming cracks like this, too. In the complete absence of air and water.

It has to do with the grain size and morphology -- fine powders become somewhat self-cohesive, especially in a vacuum or under low pressure. That's what causes the cracking action. As I said, it even works in our own atmosphere with most fine powders.

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QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 1 2005, 10:02 AM)
Yes, but an average day on Mars would be considered tremendously dank and humid (and air-filled) on the Moon, and you see lunar dust forming cracks like this, too.  In the complete absence of air and water.

It has to do with the grain size and morphology -- fine powders become somewhat self-cohesive, especially in a vacuum or under low pressure.  That's what causes the cracking action.  As I said, it even works in our own atmosphere with most fine powders.

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I agree with you since I have ever observed the powder behavior. The powder has somewhat static attraction property that unites among powders.

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- dvandorn   Free!   Jun 4 2005, 06:21 PM
- - jvandriel   A panoramic view of the inside of the wheeltrack a...   Jun 22 2005, 10:21 AM
- - jvandriel   and the same view taken with the R1 Pancam on sol ...   Jun 22 2005, 10:28 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   The Purgatory material seems so cohesive and stabl...   Jun 22 2005, 08:39 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jun 22 2005, 03:39 PM)I rea...   Jun 22 2005, 09:02 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Rodolfo: That's the problem, isn't it? We...   Jun 22 2005, 09:14 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jun 22 2005, 10:14 PM)I...   Jun 22 2005, 10:25 PM
|- - wyogold   QUOTE (helvick @ Jun 22 2005, 10:25 PM)Even t...   Jun 23 2005, 08:09 AM
|- - Marcel   QUOTE (helvick @ Jun 22 2005, 10:25 PM)Even t...   Jun 23 2005, 02:41 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Marcel @ Jun 23 2005, 07:41 AM)No. Don...   Jun 24 2005, 03:56 PM
- - djellison   Well - we have a 6 month sample by re-visiting tra...   Jun 22 2005, 10:48 PM
|- - Tman   QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 23 2005, 12:48 AM)Well...   Jun 23 2005, 08:31 AM
|- - abalone   QUOTE (Tman @ Jun 23 2005, 07:31 PM)And the i...   Jun 23 2005, 02:24 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I wouldn't say there is a good argument for go...   Jun 23 2005, 03:14 AM
- - Pando   Left front wheel is starting to dig in again. Didn...   Jun 23 2005, 05:25 AM
- - alan   Hard to tell if its digging in or its just crushin...   Jun 23 2005, 05:39 AM
- - dot.dk   QUOTE (Pando @ Jun 23 2005, 05:25 AM)Left fro...   Jun 23 2005, 05:53 AM
- - Pando   Oh well, I got the sols mixed up... Time to go to ...   Jun 23 2005, 07:13 AM
- - edstrick   "I think you could get an idea from orbital p...   Jun 23 2005, 08:22 AM
- - Sunspot   Maybe it would be better if they started driving a...   Jun 23 2005, 10:26 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   There's no doubt that the tracks have become l...   Jun 23 2005, 02:11 PM
- - JES   Recent micro - images show a mixture of berries an...   Jun 23 2005, 02:42 PM
- - Edward Schmitz   The dunes are currently evolving. We saw the diff...   Jun 23 2005, 07:30 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   The blueberries might (big 'might'!) b...   Jun 23 2005, 09:50 PM
- - Edward Schmitz   Over a six month period? Doesn't that kind of...   Jun 24 2005, 12:32 AM
- - Bill Harris   I think that the wind is simply eroding the fines ...   Jun 24 2005, 01:55 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Jun 24 2005, 02:55 AM)I ...   Jun 24 2005, 06:22 AM
|- - dilo   Sol503 360deg panorama (Navcam):   Jun 24 2005, 06:29 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (helvick @ Jun 24 2005, 07:22 AM)There ...   Jun 24 2005, 11:27 AM
- - RNeuhaus   The only difference that I see the marks of Oppy...   Jun 24 2005, 01:41 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Here is dilo's sol 503 pan in polar form... qu...   Jun 24 2005, 03:26 PM
- - dvandorn   Remember, too, that while there are a number of fi...   Jun 24 2005, 04:59 PM
- - pioneer   How far has Opportunity travelled since it was fre...   Jun 24 2005, 05:17 PM
- - Analyst   Not much going on here, no drives, no IDD work. We...   Jun 24 2005, 07:00 PM
|- - Nirgal   QUOTE (Analyst @ Jun 24 2005, 09:00 PM)Are th...   Jun 24 2005, 09:13 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (Nirgal @ Jun 24 2005, 09:13 PM)Steve...   Jun 25 2005, 07:33 AM
- - Edward Schmitz   Wind tails! We don't need to move or wait...   Jun 24 2005, 09:37 PM
|- - ToSeek   QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Jun 24 2005, 09:37 PM...   Jun 27 2005, 10:23 PM
|- - MahFL   Me neither, what are we supposed to see that's...   Jun 27 2005, 11:45 PM
- - Myran   QUOTE Bob Shaw said The blueberries might (big ...   Jun 24 2005, 10:11 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   (Blush) Ideas are *easy* - numbers is difficult...   Jun 24 2005, 10:50 PM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE Wind tails! Yes, I've been watchin...   Jun 24 2005, 11:22 PM
- - djellison   It's not a matter of people working at night -...   Jun 25 2005, 04:51 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 25 2005, 04:51 PM)You ...   Jun 26 2005, 05:56 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (dilo @ Jun 26 2005, 05:56 AM)Doug, I u...   Jun 26 2005, 05:55 PM
- - dot.dk   I just find it curious that Opportunity has spend ...   Jun 25 2005, 05:35 PM
- - Myran   QUOTE Bob Shaw wrote: Ideas are *easy* - numbers...   Jun 25 2005, 08:19 PM
- - Sunspot   http://athena1.cornell.edu/news/mubss/ New update...   Jun 26 2005, 07:35 AM
- - Bill Harris   Squyres gave a reasonable update. It is a concern...   Jun 26 2005, 10:36 AM
- - Bubbinski   Oppy just put her arm out to examine the dune on S...   Jun 26 2005, 09:22 PM
- - Bubbinski   Here's another shot of Oppy sticking out her a...   Jun 26 2005, 09:24 PM
- - Bubbinski   Here's another shot of Oppy's IDD on Sol 5...   Jun 26 2005, 09:37 PM
|- - mhoward   QUOTE (Bubbinski @ Jun 26 2005, 09:37 PM)Here...   Jun 26 2005, 10:20 PM
|- - dilo   Anyway, MI images are pretty interesting, especial...   Jun 27 2005, 05:35 AM
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|- - Jeff7   QUOTE (dilo @ Jun 27 2005, 12:46 AM)Found ans...   Jun 27 2005, 02:49 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   Comments about the picture, This terrain has a mix...   Jun 27 2005, 02:50 PM
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- - Myran   MahFL you might have another look at the pan cam L...   Jun 28 2005, 04:03 PM
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- - Edward Schmitz   Ok, I thought it was obvious but... pan cam l2 - ...   Jun 29 2005, 03:20 AM
|- - abalone   QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Jun 29 2005, 02:20 PM...   Jun 29 2005, 09:47 AM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Jun 29 2005, 03:20 AM...   Jun 30 2005, 03:48 PM
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|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (dilo @ Jul 1 2005, 01:10 AM)Mossbauer ...   Jul 1 2005, 01:40 PM
|- - dvandorn   A fine enough powder acts like this in the complet...   Jul 1 2005, 02:45 PM
|- - Jeff7   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 1 2005, 09:45 AM)A fine...   Jul 1 2005, 02:57 PM
|- - dvandorn   Yes, but an average day on Mars would be considere...   Jul 1 2005, 03:02 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 1 2005, 10:02 AM)Yes, b...   Jul 1 2005, 04:46 PM
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- - jvandriel   Another panorama of an Mossbauer imprint in the wh...   Jun 30 2005, 10:26 AM
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