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Where There's A Will, There's A Way, But..., Getting to Victoria
nasaman58
post Jun 6 2005, 05:08 AM
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I'm thrilled that Oppy's out of the dune, and I'll admit that I have not scoured and computer processed the raw pictures like good forum members should, but I think I still raise a good question: Do any of you have any ideas as to how on Earth (or Mars, rather) Oppy will be able to get to Erebus or Victoria given that it looks like the terrain leading up to these astrogeological treasure troves is the same as what got Oppy stuck in the first place? Does it sound viable to drive around the culprit dune staying in the valleys inbetween to get there? It seems this would be a majorly long and inefficeint switch-back driving method, but honestly, is there any other foreseeable way?
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post Jun 12 2005, 02:54 PM
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If it dangles freely though, it might not make for a good driving wheel at all. At least now, it does have the ability to help push or pull the rover, albiet with slightly higher friction than the other wheels. But it still can do something. Who knows, maybe with trying to turn in place, all the grinding on the ground might jar it loose. I was hoping that the time in the trench might have somehow helped that, but it'd probably need something more solid than fluffy sand to have any effect.
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post Jun 12 2005, 05:13 PM
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As I recall from Spirit's wheel problems, though (which had nothing to do with the steering actuator), the wheels cannot be left to just turn freely. When Spirit was trying not to use its one bad wheel, that wheel was simply turned off and Spirit dragged it along. That's why Spirit had to drive backwards -- it could maintain good speed and controllability dragging a "back" wheel, but not a front wheel.

In Oppy's case, the wheel turns fine, it just can't be straightened out. As I understand it, it can move from its seven degree toe-in position all the way hard over in the same direction, and back, but no further the other direction.

When Oppy got stuck, it was using its bad wheel but it was driving backwards to lessen the impact of that wheel's toe-in position. The controllers had run into some issues making Oppy drive straight in this configuration, and had made some changes that helped, just before we got stuck. That *may* be one reason we got stuck -- Oppy has to make smal "turns" as it drives backwards just to keep moving straight; it may have made one of those small turns with its "front" wheels just at a point where such a slight turning of the wheels caused them to dig in to the drift it was traversing. I'm sure that's one of the things the MER Team will be examining when it takes a very close look at Purgatory Dune.

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post Jun 12 2005, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 12 2005, 12:13 PM)
As I understand it, it can move from its seven degree toe-in position all the way hard over in the same direction, and back, but no further the other direction.

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Really? Have they tried exercising the wheel? Rotate it to one side, give it a spin one way, two the other way, and then rotate it a little straighter, spin it again, and keep trying somewhat in that fashion?
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post Jun 13 2005, 07:04 AM
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Yes -- as I understand it, they moved the wheel from its seven-degree toe-in position to what looked in the pics I saw about 90 degrees to straight forward (continuing in the toe-in direction), then moved it back as far as it would go, which was back to the seven-degree toe-in. It won't move any farther towards a toe-out position.

They don't want to exercise it a lot further, since it's now only a partial actuatior failure. I guess the theory is that it could become a full failure at any time, and that, of the positions they can get that wheel into right now, the seven-degree toe-in is the "least bad." Moving it *at all* runs the risk of it getting stuck in a worse position.

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- nasaman58   Where There's A Will, There's A Way, But...   Jun 6 2005, 05:08 AM
- - sapodilla   Cruising in valleys between the dunes is my recipe...   Jun 6 2005, 05:40 AM
- - dvandorn   As I understand it, the rovers can be programmed t...   Jun 6 2005, 07:53 AM
- - Mode5   I expect to see some very slow and cautious manuev...   Jun 6 2005, 08:02 AM
- - djellison   MRO imagery cant arrive fast enough eh? The proble...   Jun 6 2005, 08:49 AM
|- - wyogold   QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 6 2005, 08:49 AM)MRO i...   Jun 8 2005, 05:27 AM
- - edstrick   One of the things used to "aize" the res...   Jun 8 2005, 06:55 AM
- - RNeuhaus   According to the picture which shows the right lin...   Jun 8 2005, 04:45 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 8 2005, 05:45 PM)So Opp...   Jun 8 2005, 05:36 PM
- - Tesheiner   Follow the "Blueberry Road" (SW) or ...   Jun 9 2005, 10:21 AM
- - djellison   Thing is - Erebus and Erebus highway are probably ...   Jun 9 2005, 12:11 PM
- - Tesheiner   In such a case, we should be near the "Hell o...   Jun 9 2005, 12:22 PM
- - Phil Stooke   This is the 360 pan: http://www.unmannedspaceflig...   Jun 9 2005, 12:27 PM
- - Tesheiner   Thanks Phil. Looking to those images it is still ...   Jun 10 2005, 09:55 AM
- - Bill Harris   So at present we appear to be near the contact bet...   Jun 10 2005, 11:15 AM
- - Tesheiner   Actually on D. This picture below is the one from...   Jun 10 2005, 12:14 PM
|- - avkillick   It looks like there is some ways to go before Oppy...   Jun 10 2005, 03:19 PM
- - djellison   I think they'll try and get to a progress comp...   Jun 10 2005, 03:55 PM
- - RNeuhaus   Hope that Opportunity's travel would be like a...   Jun 10 2005, 07:27 PM
- - dot.dk   The result of a weeks planning... ½ meter forward ...   Jun 10 2005, 07:34 PM
|- - sapodilla   QUOTE (dot.dk @ Jun 10 2005, 09:34 PM)The res...   Jun 10 2005, 08:40 PM
|- - garybeau   QUOTE (dot.dk @ Jun 10 2005, 02:34 PM)The res...   Jun 10 2005, 09:55 PM
- - ilbasso   Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there...   Jun 10 2005, 08:53 PM
- - OWW   And why drive further if the plan is to investigat...   Jun 10 2005, 10:21 PM
- - Jeff7   Any update yet on the stuck front left wheel? I do...   Jun 11 2005, 01:44 PM
- - Pando   QUOTE (ObsessedWithWorlds @ Jun 10 2005, 03:2...   Jun 11 2005, 10:01 PM
- - dot.dk   QUOTE (Pando @ Jun 11 2005, 10:01 PM)But ther...   Jun 11 2005, 10:26 PM
- - Jeff7   If it dangles freely though, it might not make for...   Jun 12 2005, 02:54 PM
|- - dvandorn   As I recall from Spirit's wheel problems, thou...   Jun 12 2005, 05:13 PM
|- - Jeff7   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 12 2005, 12:13 PM)As I ...   Jun 12 2005, 10:25 PM
|- - dvandorn   Yes -- as I understand it, they moved the wheel fr...   Jun 13 2005, 07:04 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Here's a sketch of the Opportunity route in ...   Jun 12 2005, 05:56 PM
- - dot.dk   I'm not talking about the bad right front whee...   Jun 12 2005, 07:06 PM
|- - mars_armer   QUOTE (dot.dk @ Jun 12 2005, 07:06 PM)Spirit ...   Jun 12 2005, 10:10 PM
- - dot.dk   Oppy finally starting to turn around http://qt...   Jun 14 2005, 10:20 PM
|- - Astrophil   http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...V4P19...   Jun 15 2005, 12:14 AM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (Astrophil @ Jun 15 2005, 12:14 AM)What...   Jun 15 2005, 01:09 AM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE Meanwhile, here the funny animated sequence ...   Jun 15 2005, 03:11 AM
- - Tesheiner   And here we have a navcam pano taken yesterday (So...   Jun 15 2005, 08:35 AM
|- - JES   Looking at post 28 photo by Tesheiner, I get more ...   Jun 16 2005, 04:06 PM
- - Pando   And there are two to the left of Purgatory as well...   Jun 15 2005, 09:02 PM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (Pando @ Jun 15 2005, 11:02 PM)And ther...   Jun 16 2005, 08:22 AM
- - ilbasso   From this angle, it seems like Oppy got stuck when...   Jun 16 2005, 12:14 AM


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