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djellison
post Jun 30 2005, 01:00 PM
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I'd like to see peoples thoughts regarding ESA's website, it's press 'accesability', it's image release protocol etc.

What does ESA do that's good?

What does ESA do that's bad?

What does NASA do that ESA SHOULD do?

What does NASA do that ESA SHOULDNT do?

What benefits might there be etc etc

I'm trying to gauge the 'educated' public opinion on the matter. Please say, if you reply, which country you're from.

Im going to add a poll as well.

Also - please comment on specific features of NASA public relations and press activity that you find superb, and htose that you find terrible.

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The Messenger
post Jan 12 2006, 07:03 AM
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Ok...this is not the ESA, but close enough:
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/
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British researchers said on Wednesday they had uncovered the first proof of teaching in non-human animals -- ants showing each other the way to food.


So the 'dance of the honeybee' is not teaching? Birds teaching their young how to find food? Very odd assertion.
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post Jan 12 2006, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE (The Messenger @ Jan 12 2006, 02:03 AM)
Ok...this is not the ESA, but close enough:
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/
So the 'dance of the honeybee' is not teaching? Birds teaching their young how to find food? Very odd assertion.
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While reading the article about ants educating themselves to improve their lots in life, I noticed another CNN news item that makes me wonder which Earth species is getting dumber while the other is getting smarter:


NASA chief: Money will be tight for astronomy

Wednesday, January 11, 2006; Posted: 9:12 a.m. EST (14:12 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- NASA chief Michael Griffin warned astronomers on Tuesday that funds for their programs will be tighter than they have been in the past decade as NASA focuses more on manned space missions.

"The growth of science within NASA has been in the 5 to 7 percent range, annualized over the last decade or so, and that's been great," Griffin told members of the American Astronomical Society.

"We're in a budget environment right now when that level of growth can't be maintained, although science at NASA will still have growth. But we are all hurting."

Astronomers have voiced persistent concerns that the Bush administration's vision for space exploration -- which calls for human missions to the moon and eventually Mars -- unduly concentrates on human exploration to the detriment of robotic space missions.

Roughly two-thirds of NASA's $16.4 billion budget for fiscal 2006 goes to support the space shuttle, the international space station and the development of a new system to get people into space. Space science programs will be getting about $5.4 billion this year, compared to $5.5 billion in 2005.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/01/11/s...reut/index.html


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post Jan 12 2006, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 12 2006, 07:43 AM)
While reading the article about ants educating themselves to improve their lots in life, I noticed another CNN news item that makes me wonder which Earth species is getting dumber while the other is getting smarter:
NASA chief: Money will be tight for astronomy

This reminds me of a nearby public swimming pool. To reduce costs, they keep limiting the hours the pool is open. This keeps the annual budget deficit under 100k, 96% of which involves heating and conditioning water in a pool that is only open 4% of the time.

Science is the cream, without which we are just slopping the hogs.
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post Jan 12 2006, 04:13 PM
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They closed the pool to save money where I lived, of course that just adds to the medical costs as everyone got unfit and fatter.....
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- djellison   ESA - PR Disaster?   Jun 30 2005, 01:00 PM
- - hendric   ESA is very good at releasing "prettified...   Jun 30 2005, 04:59 PM
|- - Jyril   QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 30 2005, 07:59 PM)I thin...   Jun 30 2005, 08:10 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Getting images (or other information) out of ESA i...   Jul 13 2005, 01:26 PM
|- - odave   How much of it is a resource issue - i.e. not enou...   Jul 13 2005, 02:03 PM
- - 4th rock from the sun   Hi from Portugal, Here's my opinion on these ...   Jun 30 2005, 06:04 PM
- - hal_9000   So... I'm going to try.... I think ESA and NAS...   Jun 30 2005, 06:25 PM
- - remcook   Good: -uniformity of the websites of various bits...   Jul 13 2005, 02:07 PM
- - TheChemist   The ESA website is extremely user-unfriendly. Howe...   Jul 13 2005, 02:39 PM
- - PhilCo126   Well, ESA is doing an excellent job when it comes ...   Nov 4 2005, 08:25 AM
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- - Harder   I'm from Holland - although not living there a...   Nov 4 2005, 01:17 PM
- - The Messenger   I think the ESA should get high marks for good sci...   Dec 12 2005, 05:00 PM
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- - Sunspot   And CLUSTER, XMM Newton, DOUBLE Star, SOHO, INTEGR...   Dec 13 2005, 12:08 AM
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