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alan
post Jul 8 2005, 04:24 AM
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Six days to go until Enceladus flyby ( E2? ) at 175 km
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post Aug 9 2005, 11:29 PM
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Ms. Lakdawalla has indeed -- understandably -- hit the ceiling about my accusation. Another conversation I've just had with Dr. Spilker confirms that the key erroneous statement "So the vents are not the source of the E Ring" was indeed made to Ms. Lakdawalla, in just those words, by Dr. Spilker herself, because it was the tentative very early conclusion of the Cassini science team themselves (which they have now completely changed their minds about, on what would seem to be the obvious grounds that Saturn's other moons aren't throwing off E Rings of their own).

So Ms. Lakdawalla concocted exactly nothing; the error was entirely one by her source. My profound apologies to her. (Also, my embarrassed apologies for managing to misspell her name twice in a row. You'd think that someone whose name is misspelled as often as mine is would be a bit more sensitive to that point as well.)
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post Aug 10 2005, 12:06 AM
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Can I just say how impressed I've been with Emily Lakdawalla's coverage of Cassini on the Planetary Society Web site?
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post Aug 10 2005, 03:20 AM
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QUOTE (john_s @ Aug 9 2005, 05:06 PM)
Can I just say how impressed I've been with Emily Lakdawalla's coverage of Cassini on the Planetary Society Web site?
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Aw, shucks. rolleyes.gif Thanks, everyone. It's a labor of love.

Thank you, Mr. Moomaw, for being willing to retract your statement publicly.

And don't be hard on Linda Spilker, everyone, she deserves a lot of credit. When she was talking to me it was still relatively soon after the flyby. Linda may be the Deputy Project Scientist but Cassini has an ENORMOUS science team involving twelve different instruments, and it takes a long time for the team -- even someone as involved as she is -- to synthesize what all of the myriad different data sets are telling you. I'm happy she was willing to talk with me and express her own excitement about what were then very premature and uncertain conclusions, rather than sitting and waiting and waiting to talk about anything until all the "i"s were dotted and "t"s crossed. Of course the story changes over time -- that's what the scientific process is about. It's exciting to be able to watch the story unfolding.

Linda told me today that part of the confusion is because the CDA team were confused about the implications of their own data right after the flyby (something about the timing of the observations or something, I'm not quite sure about the details). She also told me there's a CDA release coming out shortly that should clear some of this up, but that it's being held up because NASA HQ doesn't want to confuse the press with more than one story at a time, and the Shuttle trumped everything. That's a tale of woe I've heard before from many missions. I wish NASA would give us more credit, and respect that we can handle more than one story at a time!

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post Aug 10 2005, 06:49 AM
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I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, Emily. But we have to face the fact that we live in the world of the sound bite, the news cycle, and the MTV attention span.

Those of us who enjoy news of planetary exploration generally have longer-than-average attention spans and an ability to retain interest in a subject for longer than a single news cycle. But, more and more, I've come to the conclusion that we're the exceptions. Of course, we have resources like this forum with which to supplement what the organized media offer, and without it I think most of us would be going slowly insane...

As for my own two cents -- I'm glad to have both you and Bruce as contributors to this forum. I know that, even though you both write for special-interest publications, you have to keep your professional work at a certain level. Whereas here, y'all can get as detailed and as esoteric as you want, and anyone who wants any further background to help them understand just asks for clarification. It's refreshing and vastly more satisfying (to me and, I suspect, to a lot of the people here) than any other newsgroup, chat group, forum or single publication could hope to be.

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- alan   Enceladus Flyby   Jul 8 2005, 04:24 AM
- - Decepticon   We also get NT encounters. I hope we get those ima...   Jul 8 2005, 11:26 AM
- - volcanopele   I should be posting my E2 preview either today (ma...   Jul 8 2005, 03:56 PM
- - volcanopele   That E2 preview is now online: http://volcanopele....   Jul 12 2005, 01:50 AM
|- - volcanopele   21000 km to Enceladus Can't wait to see the ...   Jul 14 2005, 06:17 PM
|- - DEChengst   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 14 2005, 08:17 PM)Ca...   Jul 14 2005, 07:01 PM
|- - scalbers   Should be neat to see the images. I have been watc...   Jul 14 2005, 10:23 PM
- - Decepticon   I don't expect anything till monday. When an e...   Jul 14 2005, 11:38 PM
|- - Phillip   Update on the Cassini website: Enceladus Flyby Up...   Jul 15 2005, 08:31 PM
- - volcanopele   http://ciclops.org/view_event.php?id=22   Jul 16 2005, 12:05 AM
|- - exoplanet   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 16 2005, 12:05 AM)ht...   Jul 16 2005, 05:20 AM
- - alan   From 545 kilometers   Jul 16 2005, 04:15 AM
|- - volcanopele   actually, that's distance to target center so ...   Jul 16 2005, 05:06 AM
|- - dvandorn   Is that Enceladus or a block of London flats after...   Jul 16 2005, 05:21 AM
|- - imran   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 16 2005, 05:21 AM)Is th...   Jul 16 2005, 06:52 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (imran @ Jul 16 2005, 08:52 AM)Wow....   Jul 17 2005, 05:45 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (tty @ Jul 17 2005, 10:45 AM)I don...   Jul 17 2005, 06:26 PM
|- - imran   QUOTE (tty @ Jul 17 2005, 05:45 PM)I don...   Jul 17 2005, 11:29 PM
- - DEChengst   First mosaic of this fly-by. Looks like it was tak...   Jul 16 2005, 07:00 AM
|- - Gsnorgathon   Nice distant view of the tiger scratches (or what...   Jul 16 2005, 08:01 AM
- - DEChengst   Six frame highres mosaic. Some artifacts due to th...   Jul 16 2005, 09:35 AM
- - edstrick   DEChengst: I can't get any of your links toni...   Jul 16 2005, 10:24 AM
- - Bill Harris   Wonderful images! Ed, I was able to download ...   Jul 16 2005, 11:37 AM
- - Decepticon   Am I seeing things? The Tiger scratches seem to ...   Jul 16 2005, 12:14 PM
|- - tedstryk   Here is another version of the crescent mosaic...I...   Jul 16 2005, 01:47 PM
- - Myran   QUOTE Deception said Am I seeing things? Also I c...   Jul 16 2005, 01:56 PM
- - TheChemist   Here is where the closeup image N00037070.jpg fits...   Jul 16 2005, 02:03 PM
|- - Tman   QUOTE (TheChemist @ Jul 16 2005, 04:03 PM)Her...   Jul 17 2005, 09:51 AM
- - remcook   Wow, especially the tiger scratches look amazing...   Jul 16 2005, 02:51 PM
- - Rob Pinnegar   Hey... check out that diamond shaped region to the...   Jul 16 2005, 06:07 PM
- - tty   Very strange morphology. Some of the larger ...   Jul 16 2005, 06:09 PM
- - alan   I was surprised to the the boulders is closest ima...   Jul 16 2005, 07:46 PM
- - Roby72   I refer to the high res image of Enceladus. I susp...   Jul 16 2005, 09:39 PM
|- - dvandorn   Obviously, remnants of surficial cracking from eit...   Jul 17 2005, 09:03 AM
- - Decepticon   Double post.   Jul 17 2005, 12:10 PM
- - Decepticon   Nice work!   Jul 17 2005, 12:11 PM
- - Decepticon   My attempt at a colored image. Note I'm new at...   Jul 17 2005, 12:33 PM
|- - DEChengst   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jul 17 2005, 02:33 PM)DEC...   Jul 17 2005, 01:26 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I think there's something more dramatic going ...   Jul 18 2005, 03:29 AM
- - edstrick   Looking at the raw images of the south polar regio...   Jul 18 2005, 11:00 AM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE Then, we have the extreme youth of some of t...   Jul 18 2005, 12:26 PM
|- - tedstryk   A nice little shot of Pandora over the clouds of S...   Jul 18 2005, 01:21 PM
- - alan   That was quick: updated map of Enceladus on Steve ...   Jul 19 2005, 03:27 AM
- - Decepticon   Does steve have polar projections?   Jul 19 2005, 12:13 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I shamelessly stole Steve Albers' cylindrical ...   Jul 19 2005, 12:57 PM
|- - scalbers   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 19 2005, 12:57 PM)I ...   Jul 19 2005, 06:52 PM
||- - tedstryk   Here is all I could do...the images are at impossi...   Jul 19 2005, 11:27 PM
|- - scalbers   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 19 2005, 12:57 PM)I ...   Aug 2 2005, 11:12 PM
|- - Gsnorgathon   Don't be so shy, Steve! Put in the link...   Aug 3 2005, 05:19 AM
- - Decepticon   Very nice. I wonder how enceladus magnetic field...   Jul 19 2005, 01:28 PM
- - Decepticon   Another attempt at a coloring. I'm not sure...   Jul 19 2005, 01:33 PM
|- - tedstryk   I think that we got some pretty good coverage of t...   Jul 19 2005, 03:13 PM
- - pioneer   I don't know about anyone else, but I haven...   Jul 19 2005, 06:01 PM
- - alan   Bizarre boulders litter Saturn moon's icy surf...   Jul 20 2005, 03:17 AM
- - edstrick   Post-Voyager, there was a spate of studying the po...   Jul 20 2005, 08:39 AM
|- - Gsnorgathon   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jul 20 2005, 08:39 AM)... E...   Jul 21 2005, 08:09 AM
- - Roby72   Any news about the INMS and UVIS observations ?   Jul 21 2005, 04:40 AM
- - Myran   QUOTE Gsnorgathon said: I've seen the expected...   Jul 23 2005, 10:24 PM
- - Decepticon   New update. http://ciclops.org/view_event.php?...   Jul 26 2005, 12:20 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jul 26 2005, 12:20 PM)New...   Jul 26 2005, 08:03 PM
- - volcanopele   The magnetometer instrument confirmed an atmospher...   Jul 29 2005, 05:12 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 29 2005, 05:12 PM)Th...   Jul 30 2005, 01:24 PM
- - volcanopele   UVIS detects Enceladus' atmosphere (and also s...   Jul 29 2005, 07:28 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 29 2005, 07:28 PM)An...   Jul 30 2005, 03:50 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 29 2005, 12:28 PM)An...   Jul 31 2005, 03:10 PM
|- - DEChengst   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 31 2005, 05:10 PM)I...   Jul 31 2005, 03:26 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 31 2005, 08:10 AM)I...   Jul 31 2005, 06:57 PM
||- - tedstryk   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 31 2005, 06:57 PM)Th...   Jul 31 2005, 07:08 PM
||- - tty   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 31 2005, 08:57 PM)As...   Jul 31 2005, 09:09 PM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 31 2005, 03:10 PM)I don...   Aug 2 2005, 04:07 AM
- - remcook   news release: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/pre...   Jul 30 2005, 11:19 AM
- - volcanopele   Sorry for the double post, didn't realize I wa...   Jul 30 2005, 03:19 PM
|- - dilo   Sorry for my insistence, Jason. Can you kindly pin...   Jul 30 2005, 09:31 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (dilo @ Jul 30 2005, 02:31 PM)Sorry for...   Jul 31 2005, 06:41 PM
- - Decepticon   Enceladus looks more like Ganymede instead of Euro...   Jul 30 2005, 04:03 PM
- - scalbers   How neat that this is the punchline to the evidenc...   Jul 30 2005, 04:27 PM
- - tty   I wonder could those "tiger scratches" b...   Jul 31 2005, 03:32 PM
- - volcanopele   grrr....true, very true. It was a Sunday morning....   Jul 31 2005, 11:01 PM
|- - tedstryk   This might be a better example than just pointing ...   Jul 31 2005, 11:28 PM
- - scalbers   Greetings, Thought I'd mention some speculati...   Aug 1 2005, 03:36 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (scalbers @ Aug 1 2005, 08:36 AM)Will b...   Aug 1 2005, 04:22 PM
|- - Gsnorgathon   That's an interesting tidbit about Enceladus w...   Aug 1 2005, 05:50 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Aug 1 2005, 10:50 AM)Tha...   Aug 1 2005, 06:46 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Well, that means YOU'RE very lucky, but the sa...   Aug 2 2005, 04:16 AM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Aug 2 2005, 04:16 AM)Wel...   Aug 2 2005, 04:58 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I talked this afternoon with Dr. Linda Spilker -- ...   Aug 9 2005, 06:48 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Aug 9 2005, 06:48 AM)(Th...   Aug 9 2005, 11:08 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   It occurs to me that what I said about Emily Lackd...   Aug 9 2005, 11:45 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Aug 9 2005, 11:45 AM)It ...   Aug 9 2005, 03:44 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Ms. Lakdawalla has indeed -- understandably -- hit...   Aug 9 2005, 11:29 PM
|- - john_s   Can I just say how impressed I've been with Em...   Aug 10 2005, 12:06 AM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (john_s @ Aug 9 2005, 05:06 PM)Can I ju...   Aug 10 2005, 03:20 AM
|- - dvandorn   I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, Emily....   Aug 10 2005, 06:49 AM
- - TheChemist   Quite an impressive U-turn from Dr. Spilker. I tho...   Aug 10 2005, 12:59 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   The real story turns out to be, apparently, that S...   Aug 10 2005, 01:08 AM
- - craigmcg   I agree that the articles on the planetary society...   Aug 10 2005, 01:11 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I will definitely go along with that. (I'll a...   Aug 10 2005, 01:55 AM
- - pioneer   I didn't know Emily Lakdawalla became a member...   Aug 10 2005, 05:00 PM
- - malgar   A view of Enceladus cracks.   Aug 19 2005, 12:27 AM
- - tedstryk   Great work!   Aug 19 2005, 12:48 AM
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