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Jul 14 2005, 11:45 PM
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May 19 2006, 07:09 AM
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Not every mission is useful only because there are no other missions. Why do you need a flyby spacecraft and not only the impactor, if you have the Rosetta orbiter with 11 instruments watching? As for the extended missions: Both spacecraft have degraded cameras and only one or two other instruments. It is a matter of additional costs: 20 or 30 million are probably o.k., more is not.
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May 20 2006, 04:50 PM
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Why not use the Deep Impact bus as an impactor? Then Rosetta can look at the hole it makes... ...assuming that DI could make it at all to Rosetta's target, that is!
Bob Shaw -------------------- Remember: Time Flies like the wind - but Fruit Flies like bananas!
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May 21 2006, 04:26 AM
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Why not use the Deep Impact bus as an impactor? Then Rosetta can look at the hole it makes... ...assuming that DI could make it at all to Rosetta's target, that is! Bob Shaw It can't. The orbit is all wrong. Also, I believe the targeting software was in the Impactor, which was designed to point its camera right at the target. Besides, while it is a sturdy and healthy craft, it would have to survive for another eight years for Rosetta to observe the impact. Besides, a large fraction (50%?) of the science return was said to have come from the pre-impact images. The Flyby spacecraft can do this again, at Comet Boethin, and such an extended mission has been proposed. I respectfully disagree with Bruce on impacting Comet C-G before Rosetta arrives. If they were really worried about the dust, they could always "hide" behind the nucleus. More likely, they would just sit back a good safe distance and still be able to see. It would be interesting to see an estimation of the dust flux as a function of distance, assuming this nucleus is as dusty as Tempel 1. |
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May 21 2006, 01:02 PM
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It can't. The orbit is all wrong. Also, I believe the targeting software was in the Impactor, which was designed to point its camera right at the target. Besides, while it is a sturdy and healthy craft, it would have to survive for another eight years for Rosetta to observe the impact. Besides, a large fraction (50%?) of the science return was said to have come from the pre-impact images. The Flyby spacecraft can do this again, at Comet Boethin, and such an extended mission has been proposed. I respectfully disagree with Bruce on impacting Comet C-G before Rosetta arrives. If they were really worried about the dust, they could always "hide" behind the nucleus. More likely, they would just sit back a good safe distance and still be able to see. It would be interesting to see an estimation of the dust flux as a function of distance, assuming this nucleus is as dusty as Tempel 1. Actually the back-up plan for Deep Impact was to use the flyby as an impactor on Comet Temple-1 if the impactor missed. The newly proposed "DIXI" extended mission plan, as i mentioned above, is to fly by Comet Boethin in 2008. A funding decison will be announced around September 2006. Bob, as comga wrote, this DI cant fly to Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. A DI target burn to enable the Comet Boethin flyby has already been completed last July 2005 shortly after the July 4 impact. Bruce, thanks for the complement above. I am glad we can agree on this new Discovery DI clone proposal to impact Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. In fact 2 teams have proposed this concept. Analyst, the Deconvolution has achieved the full image resolution expected with the DI HRI and all the instruments are working perfectly..... and tedstryks follow-up comments are right on target |
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Decepticon Deep Impact Extended Mission Jul 14 2005, 11:45 PM
gpurcell QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jul 14 2005, 11:45 PM)I h... Jul 15 2005, 08:16 PM
BruceMoomaw Of course, they're talking about it as one of ... Jul 16 2005, 01:26 AM
djellison Hell yes - they it would be madness to throw away ... Jul 16 2005, 08:16 AM
BruceMoomaw They came fairly close to assigning Genesis to an ... Jul 16 2005, 09:39 AM
remcook another stupid question of mine:
where does NASA g... Jul 16 2005, 02:54 PM
tty I remember that Carl Sagan once suggested in a boo... Jul 16 2005, 05:52 PM
dvandorn Yeah -- and NASA controls the DSN. So, if you hav... Jul 17 2005, 08:47 AM
abalone QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 17 2005, 07:47 PM)Yeah ... Jul 17 2005, 09:48 AM
Bob Shaw Could a network of semi-amateur/student/small orga... Jul 17 2005, 01:27 PM
abalone QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jul 18 2005, 12:27 AM)Could... Jul 18 2005, 12:06 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (abalone @ Jul 18 2005, 01:06 PM)It is ... Jul 18 2005, 12:17 PM
abalone QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jul 18 2005, 11:17 PM)For s... Jul 18 2005, 12:39 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (abalone @ Jul 18 2005, 01:39 PM)My rec... Jul 18 2005, 02:23 PM
Bob Shaw Space.com article which includes details of a traj... Jul 21 2005, 09:53 AM
djellison I'm guessing you want at least an equiv to a 3... Jul 17 2005, 03:35 PM
Phil Stooke Re: Abalone's comment about other radio telesc... Jul 17 2005, 03:58 PM
gpurcell The Decadal Survey places a flyby of Trojan/Centau... Jul 21 2005, 05:42 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (gpurcell @ Jul 21 2005, 05:42 PM)The D... Jul 21 2005, 05:57 PM
Comga QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jul 21 2005, 11:57 AM)Being... Aug 26 2005, 03:32 AM
Decepticon QUOTE "Personally, I don’t understand the fus... Jul 21 2005, 11:43 PM
edstrick "Personally, I don’t understand the fuss over... Jul 22 2005, 10:10 AM
Bob Shaw On Spaceflight Now today:
http://www.spaceflightn... May 17 2006, 10:17 AM
BruceMoomaw I don't think that DI clone mission has a chan... May 18 2006, 05:20 AM
Analyst The engineering aspect of Deep Impact (hitting a s... May 18 2006, 09:41 AM
BruceMoomaw Actually, Deep Impact is the only comet mission so... May 18 2006, 11:00 AM
Mariner9 I don't think DI 2 has much chance either. I... May 18 2006, 02:54 PM
monitorlizard A Deep Impact 2 probably won't be approved, bu... May 18 2006, 08:24 PM
BruceMoomaw This is a real possibility -- especially if you ja... May 18 2006, 10:13 PM
mars loon Both the DI extended mission, nicknamed "DIXI... May 19 2006, 12:50 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Analyst @ May 19 2006, 07:09 AM) N... May 20 2006, 02:23 PM
Comga QUOTE (mars loon @ May 21 2006, 07:02 AM)... May 21 2006, 10:12 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (Comga @ May 21 2006, 10:12 PM) I b... May 22 2006, 02:46 AM
djellison QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 22 2006, 03:46 A... May 22 2006, 07:17 AM
BruceMoomaw Actually, Mars Loon was completely correct in poin... May 20 2006, 04:21 PM
BruceMoomaw Because, my dear Douglas, in this case we have ano... May 23 2006, 01:51 AM
Comga QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 22 2006, 07:51 P... May 23 2006, 04:17 AM
djellison Is NASA HQ is really going to select a mission fro... May 23 2006, 07:23 AM
BruceMoomaw Once again, the latter would depend (as "Comg... May 23 2006, 10:46 AM
edstrick Rosetta could well stand off from the comet severa... May 23 2006, 11:18 AM
ugordan Plus, at several hundred km distance, the impact e... May 23 2006, 11:48 AM
djellison Massive solar arrays, lots of delicate instruments... May 23 2006, 11:52 AM
ugordan How does the usual, sublimation-driven ejection ve... May 23 2006, 11:58 AM
Comga QUOTE (djellison @ May 23 2006, 05:52 AM)... May 26 2006, 05:12 AM![]() ![]() |
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