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Possible Contamination, Bacteria hitched a ride to Mars
remcook
post Jul 17 2005, 10:57 AM
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1697332,00.html

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FAR from discovering life on Mars, Nasa may have put it there. The American space agency believes the two rover spacecraft scuttling across the red planet are carrying bacteria from Earth, writes John Harlow.


Probably isn't the first time either. Can't believe old russian probes had any policy with that respect.
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mike
post Jul 18 2005, 07:34 PM
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Indeed. It seems to me it's impossible for us not to transport some living material to Mars, the Moon, and whereever else. If it weren't for the human organism being somehow superior to other competing organisms here on Earth, we wouldn't be here sending things into space in the first place. And if some bug from Mars or the Moon or whereever else takes us out, so be it. smile.gif
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post Jul 18 2005, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (mike @ Jul 18 2005, 07:34 PM)
Indeed.  It seems to me it's impossible for us not to transport some living material to Mars, the Moon, and whereever else.  If it weren't for the human organism being somehow superior to other competing organisms here on Earth, we wouldn't be here sending things into space in the first place.  And if some bug from Mars or the Moon or whereever else takes us out, so be it.  smile.gif
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I agree in the case of Mars. But in the case of the moon, so much material has probably gone back and forth due to impact ejecta and such in relatively short time scales compared to the trip to Mars that I really don't think that we need to be too elaborate with sterilization. At an rate, there is little possibility, even if it can survive in a dormant state, of earth-life taking on the moon. And now, post-Apollo, if the moon can be contaminated, it already is. In fact, the moon might be an interesting proving ground to test bacteria's survival in space, by revisiting the Apollo areas with sterilized rovers and looking for life!.


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:14 PM
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Forgive me if this sounds simple minded, but what is so terrible about bacterial or viral particle contamination on Mars? I never understood how life could be considered as "pollution" on a (as far as we know) lifeless world such as Mars. Isn't one of our main goals to seed and spread life throughout the solar system? As one member mentioned, if we are ever to colonize or terraform any other planet or satellite, then we will obviously introduce other forms of life such as simple microorganisms, certain plants (for food), and possibly insects.

Of course there might be a few negative aspects from this contamination (possible new pathogens, hindrance to our search for native life, etc), but in my view the benefits far outweigh the downsides.
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- remcook   Possible Contamination   Jul 17 2005, 10:57 AM
- - Bill Harris   Given that it is likely not possible to be sure th...   Jul 17 2005, 11:41 AM
|- - tedstryk   This tabloid article also says that the MER's ...   Jul 17 2005, 12:37 PM
- - Phil Stooke   "Can't believe old russian probes had any...   Jul 17 2005, 01:44 PM
|- - DEChengst   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 17 2005, 03:44 PM)Th...   Jul 17 2005, 05:38 PM
|- - tedstryk   Those folks hold the guilt for the failure of the ...   Jul 17 2005, 06:25 PM
- - remcook   exactly. The chance of any Earth bacteria spreadi...   Jul 17 2005, 04:01 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (remcook @ Jul 17 2005, 04:01 PM)(I ass...   Jul 17 2005, 08:41 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 17 2005, 08:41 PM)As...   Jul 17 2005, 09:10 PM
- - djellison   It's probably been done by nature already - ej...   Jul 17 2005, 04:02 PM
|- - Chmee   QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 17 2005, 12:02 PM)It...   Jul 17 2005, 05:23 PM
|- - Edward Schmitz   QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 17 2005, 09:02 AM)It...   Jul 19 2005, 12:55 AM
- - Bill Harris   My comments were more philosophical than practical...   Jul 17 2005, 08:42 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Actually, I asked Jim Burke (the Ranger Block 2 pr...   Jul 17 2005, 09:14 PM
|- - Marcel   There's no reason to be concerned about contam...   Jul 18 2005, 07:50 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Marcel @ Jul 18 2005, 02:50 AM)Offcour...   Jul 18 2005, 07:00 PM
|- - DEChengst   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 18 2005, 09:00 PM)The s...   Jul 18 2005, 09:30 PM
- - mike   Indeed. It seems to me it's impossible for us...   Jul 18 2005, 07:34 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (mike @ Jul 18 2005, 07:34 PM)Indeed....   Jul 18 2005, 07:55 PM
|- - Sdetton   Forgive me if this sounds simple minded, but what ...   Jul 18 2005, 09:14 PM
|- - Edward Schmitz   QUOTE (Sdetton @ Jul 18 2005, 02:14 PM)Forgiv...   Jul 19 2005, 01:09 AM
- - djellison   "(as far as we know) lifeless world such as M...   Jul 18 2005, 09:17 PM
|- - Sdetton   QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 18 2005, 04:17 PM)...   Jul 18 2005, 09:54 PM
||- - Edward Schmitz   QUOTE (Sdetton @ Jul 18 2005, 02:54 PM)That...   Jul 19 2005, 01:15 AM
|- - mike   QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 18 2005, 01:17 PM)...   Jul 18 2005, 10:09 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (mike @ Jul 18 2005, 11:09 PM)At some p...   Jul 19 2005, 09:16 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jul 19 2005, 04:16 AM)Oh, t...   Jul 19 2005, 09:59 AM
|- - Jeff7   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 19 2005, 04:59 AM)OK --...   Jul 19 2005, 12:31 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   You're all *so* funny, and puerile with it. F...   Jul 19 2005, 03:16 PM
- - Bill Harris   I'm thinking more in terms of paleo-life signs...   Jul 18 2005, 09:51 PM
- - djellison   You have to admit - damaging a species native to a...   Jul 18 2005, 11:07 PM
- - mike   If we were to find Earth-like organisms on Mars, w...   Jul 19 2005, 05:07 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (mike @ Jul 19 2005, 07:07 PM)If we wer...   Jul 19 2005, 05:18 PM
|- - Sdetton   QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Jul 18 2005, 08:15 PM...   Jul 19 2005, 10:46 PM
|- - Edward Schmitz   QUOTE (Sdetton @ Jul 19 2005, 03:46 PM)What...   Jul 20 2005, 03:53 AM
|- - Sdetton   QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Jul 19 2005, 10:53 PM...   Jul 20 2005, 04:55 AM
- - edstrick   This whole discussion has been triggered by an apa...   Jul 20 2005, 08:24 AM
- - remcook   My point was more to discuss what people think abo...   Jul 20 2005, 01:48 PM
- - remcook   more to add... http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewp...   Jul 26 2005, 09:47 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   I think that introducing mass of cork DNA, even de...   Jul 26 2005, 11:05 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jul 26 2005, 01:05 P...   Jul 26 2005, 05:54 PM
- - algorimancer   Personally I think that the search for life is ove...   Jul 26 2005, 02:43 PM
|- - Cugel   QUOTE (algorimancer @ Jul 26 2005, 02:43 PM)P...   Jul 27 2005, 11:14 AM
- - deglr6328   Cork? CORK?!?!! I can't bel...   Jul 27 2005, 05:57 AM
- - Bill Harris   A cork-epoxy-glass microbead compound is used in t...   Jul 27 2005, 07:17 AM
- - edstrick   Of note: 26-27 Jul: NAC Planetary Protection Adv...   Jul 27 2005, 09:14 AM
- - Myran   QUOTE algorimancer said: It's also likely to ...   Jul 27 2005, 02:52 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   If Marsian organisms, even microscopic, evolved in...   Jul 27 2005, 06:59 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jul 27 2005, 08:59 P...   Jul 27 2005, 08:31 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (tty @ Jul 27 2005, 08:31 PM)Also if it...   Jul 28 2005, 11:58 AM
|- - Chmee   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jul 28 2005, 07:58 A...   Jul 28 2005, 03:34 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jul 28 2005, 01:58 P...   Jul 28 2005, 09:00 PM
|- - tedstryk   "Marsian bug may be very dangerous by creatin...   Jul 31 2005, 12:46 PM
- - edstrick   An essential point is that there are probably esse...   Aug 1 2005, 10:41 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (edstrick @ Aug 1 2005, 11:41 AM)An ess...   Aug 1 2005, 12:03 PM
- - Cugel   Interesting idea. According to the latest biologic...   Aug 1 2005, 12:00 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (Cugel @ Aug 1 2005, 02:00 PM)Interesti...   Aug 1 2005, 08:59 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (tty @ Aug 1 2005, 09:59 PM)The impact ...   Aug 1 2005, 11:41 PM
|- - dvandorn   If by "our locale," you mean Earth or th...   Aug 2 2005, 07:09 AM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 2 2005, 07:09 AM)If by ...   Aug 2 2005, 08:47 AM
- - tty   Two other big (though somewhat hypothetical) colli...   Aug 2 2005, 05:44 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (tty @ Aug 2 2005, 06:44 PM)Incidentall...   Aug 2 2005, 07:42 PM
- - Sdetton   ESA: Lichen survives in space (temporarily) QUOTE...   Nov 9 2005, 04:42 AM
- - hendric   QUOTE (Sdetton @ Nov 8 2005, 10:42 PM)What wo...   Nov 9 2005, 07:13 AM


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