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Jul 24 2005, 02:13 PM
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Thought this article title was a little over the top, the kind of one you would
expect to see followed by lots of exclamation marks. Interesting article though. "IF LIFE exists on Titan, Saturn's biggest moon, we could soon know about it - as long as it's the methane-spewing variety. The chemical signature of microbial life could be hidden in readings taken by the European Space Agency's Huygens probe when it landed on Titan in January." http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=dn7716 -------------------- Turn the middle side topwise....TOPWISE!!
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Jul 29 2005, 08:23 PM
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Personally, I think that we will find biogenesis processes on a variety of worlds and in a variety of non-planetary environments. But we will find that most of them have progressed only so far before they have run across some limiting factor that has arrested the process (or slowed it into virtual arrest) at very primitive levels.
For example, we can speculate all we want on the early biogenetic processes on Earth, but we *know* that Earth is a somewhat freakish exception in its overall climatic uniformity. The only reason the Earth does not have cyclic extremes of climate (as Mars does) is because our Moon keeps our rotational precessions from wandering all over the place -- our axial tilt is maintained by the Moon's gravitational influence. An Earthlike planet in another star system might develop exactly the way Earth did, with exactly the same range of elements and minerals and water and temperatures -- but without a large moon, its axial tilt would wander around and subject its surface to cyclic periods when one whole hemisphere never sees sunlight for thousands of years at a time. That kind of thing might not stop biogenesis cold, but I bet it slows it down a lot. And that "progress" towards multi-cellular organisms might be wiped out every few hundreds of thousands of years when the climate changes and favors only the continued development of extremophiles that are so constrained by their adaptations to extreme environments that they are "blind alley" developments as far as complex life forms are concerned. Frankly, I think the only Earthlike bodies we're going to find out there that have stable long-term climates will be moons of gas giants that have been dragged into their stars' habitable zones as their primaries migrate in toward their stars. And if it really *does* require a few billion years of "simmering" before multi-cellular organisms can arise from a soup of primitive single-cell organisms, then the limiting factor of climate stability might be the major constraint on "M"... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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jaredGalen New Scientist - Life On Titan Jul 24 2005, 02:13 PM
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exoplanet I quote JRheling:
"Consider that some of 200... Jul 25 2005, 05:05 AM
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alexiton Howdy Titanauts,
Isn't life more about organ... Jul 25 2005, 10:38 AM
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JRehling
Two things. One, of course, this sort of trend-a... Jul 26 2005, 05:04 PM
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JRehling QUOTE (MacAndrew @ Jul 26 2005, 05:51 PM)To t... Jul 27 2005, 05:15 AM
AndyG QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 27 2005, 05:15 AM)My as... Jul 28 2005, 11:56 AM

JRehling QUOTE (AndyG @ Jul 28 2005, 04:56 AM)Miller... Jul 28 2005, 01:54 PM

AndyG Interesting points! Thanks for raising them.
... Jul 28 2005, 03:21 PM

hendric QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 28 2005, 01:54 PM)A ver... Jul 28 2005, 10:15 PM

JRehling QUOTE (hendric @ Jul 28 2005, 03:15 PM)This p... Jul 28 2005, 11:09 PM

hendric QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 28 2005, 11:09 PM)But a... Aug 1 2005, 05:35 AM

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ljk4-1 What if the very body of Titan itself is alive?
H... Aug 2 2005, 02:25 PM

alexiton Truth is stranger than fact,
QUOTE (ljk4-1 ... Aug 3 2005, 10:43 AM
MacAndrew QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 27 2005, 05:15 AM)That... Jul 29 2005, 02:30 PM
alexiton QUOTE (MacAndrew @ Jul 29 2005, 02:30 PM)Actu... Jul 29 2005, 03:35 PM
JRehling QUOTE (alexiton @ Jul 29 2005, 08:35 AM)bio-p... Jul 29 2005, 03:57 PM
Myran Yes, the Titan life forms would literally run for ... Jul 25 2005, 03:43 PM
mike If there was widespread concern about killing life... Jul 25 2005, 07:07 PM
Jeff7 Concerning the potential problem of a "superh... Jul 26 2005, 12:57 AM
exoplanet Hello All,
Great posts and thanks for the contrib... Jul 26 2005, 02:27 AM
mike I think life automatically arises on any body with... Jul 26 2005, 05:21 PM
JRehling QUOTE (mike @ Jul 26 2005, 10:21 AM)I think l... Jul 26 2005, 08:13 PM
Bob Shaw As for dinosaurs lacking in intelligence, surely n... Jul 26 2005, 09:56 PM

ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jul 26 2005, 09:56 PM)As fo... Jul 26 2005, 11:04 PM
mike QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 26 2005, 12:13 PM)That... Jul 26 2005, 11:55 PM
volcanopele I take the middle ground really, basically that it... Jul 26 2005, 05:42 PM
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kwp QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jul 26 2005, 08:32 PM)I... Jul 27 2005, 07:05 PM
tty QUOTE (kwp @ Jul 27 2005, 09:05 PM)This argum... Jul 27 2005, 08:04 PM
BruceMoomaw Huygens' data on argon abudance in Titan's... Jul 27 2005, 08:15 PM
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alexiton Howdy TheChemist,
Life is a system not just mere ... Jul 28 2005, 03:53 PM
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Myran hendric said:
Also, primitive life, one would assu... Jul 29 2005, 05:08 PM
tty QUOTE (Myran @ Jul 29 2005, 07:08 PM)hendric ... Jul 29 2005, 07:42 PM
alexiton Howdy JRehling,
I register your points and sure e... Jul 29 2005, 06:07 PM
David QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 29 2005, 08:23 PM)An Ea... Jul 29 2005, 09:43 PM
tty QUOTE (David @ Jul 29 2005, 11:43 PM)One clim... Jul 30 2005, 06:38 PM
Myran QUOTE tty said: I agree with the last paragraph, h... Jul 29 2005, 08:36 PM
Myran QUOTE tty said: Monera is not a term that is used ... Jul 30 2005, 07:46 PM
alexiton Howdy Titanauts,
delusions edited - apologies. Jul 31 2005, 09:06 PM
deglr6328 Image caption from your site:"Nth permute of ... Aug 1 2005, 01:29 AM
alexiton Howdy deglr6328,
Sure empirical truth is always m... Aug 1 2005, 08:51 AM
Decepticon "Study suggests Titan may hold keys for exoti... Sep 9 2005, 02:27 PM
imran An interview with David Grinspoon, who talks about... Sep 23 2005, 03:03 AM![]() ![]() |
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