The Pioneer Anomaly |
The Pioneer Anomaly |
Aug 16 2005, 04:27 PM
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Rover Driver ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 981 Joined: 4-March 04 Member No.: 47 |
http://www.planetary.org/news/2005/pioneer_anomaly_faq.html
The planetary society may be checking it out... QUOTE The Planetary Society has committed to raise the funds to preserve the priceless Pioneer data from destruction.
After years of analysis, but without a final conclusion, NASA, astonishingly, gave up trying to solve the "Pioneer Anomaly" and provided no funds to analyze the data. The Pioneer data exists on a few hundred ancient 7- and 9-track magnetic tapes, which can only be read on "antique" outdated computers. The agency is going to scrap, literally demolish, the only computers able to access and process that data in the next few months! |
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Oct 4 2005, 10:51 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1869 Joined: 20-February 05 Member No.: 174 |
You know what the problem is with make-believe paranoia?
(looking around suspiciously...) YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT! |
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Oct 4 2005, 04:41 PM
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Oct 4 2005, 07:35 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
Astrophysics, abstract
astro-ph/0504367 From: Gary Page [view email] Date (v1): Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:04:48 GMT (32kb) Date (revised v2): Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:46:27 GMT (43kb) Utilizing Minor Planets to Assess the Gravitational Field in the Outer Solar System Authors: Gary L. Page, David S. Dixon, John F. Wallin Categories: astro-ph Comments: Added substantial new material dealing with ability to observed effects addressed in paper The twin Pioneer spacecraft have been tracked for over thirty years as they headed out of the solar system. After passing a heliocentric distance of 20 AU, both exhibited a systematic error in their trajectories that can be interpreted as a constant acceleration towards the sun and that has come to be known as the Pioneer Effect. Spacecraft systematics are its most likely explanation, but there have been no convincing arguments that that is the case. The alternative, that the Pioneer Effect represents a real phenomenon, is very appealing for many reasons. What is lacking is a means of measuring the effect, its variation, its potential anisotropies, and its region of influence. We show that minor planets provide an observational vehicle for investigating the gravitational field in the outer solar system, and thus provide a means of measuring the Pioneer Effect and potentially to either support or refute its existence as a real phenomenon. Minor planets can be used for this purpose because they have a large mass and are large and bright enough to be observed for useful intervals. Thus, even if the Pioneer Effect does not represent a new physical phenomenon, minor planets can be used to probe the gravitational field in the outer solar system. Since there are very few intermediate range tests of gravity at the multiple AU distance scale, this is a worthwhile endeavor in its own right. It might even be possible to differentiate between the predictions of alternative explanations for the Pioneer Effect. http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504367 -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Oct 26 2005, 02:08 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
Paper: astro-ph/0506281
replaced with revised version Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:43:50 GMT (41kb) Title: Analytic Gravitational-Force Calculations for Models of the Kuiper Belt, with Application to the Pioneer Anomaly Authors: Michael Martin Nieto Comments: 11 pages, 8 figures, final corrections for publication Report-no: LA-UR-05-4414 Journal-ref: Phys. Rev D 72 (2005) 083004 We use analytic techniques to study the gravitational force that would be produced by different Kuiper-Belt mass distributions. In particular, we study the 3-dimensional rings (and wedge) whose densities vary as the inverse of the distance, as a constant, as the inverse-squared of the distance, as well as that which varies according to the Boss-Peale model. These analytic calculations yield physical insight into the physics of the problem. They also verify that physically viable models of this type can produce neither the magnitude nor the constancy of the Pioneer anomaly. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0506281 , 41kb) -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Nov 9 2005, 04:32 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
Paper (*cross-listing*): gr-qc/0511026
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:40:04 GMT (162kb) Title: Gravitational solution to the Pioneer 10/11 anomaly Authors: J. R. Brownstein and J. W. Moffat Comments: 11 pages, 4 figures, 1 table \\ A fully relativistic modified gravitational theory including a fifth force skew symmetric field is fitted to the Pioneer 10/11 anomalous acceleration. The theory allows for a variation with distance scales of the gravitational constant G, the fifth force skew symmetric field coupling strength omega and the mass of the skew symmetric field mu=1/lambda. A fit to the available anomalous acceleration data for the Pioneer 10/11 spacecraft is obtained for a phenomenological representation of the "running" constants and values of the associated parameters are shown to exist that are consistent with fifth force experimental bounds. The fit to the acceleration data is consistent with all current satellite, laser ranging and observations for the inner planets. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0511026 , 162kb) -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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remcook The Pioneer Anomaly Aug 16 2005, 04:27 PM
remcook Some background reading...
http://arxiv.org/find/... Aug 16 2005, 04:40 PM
tedstryk Won't New Horizons be spin stabilized when not... Aug 16 2005, 06:53 PM
Jeff7 QUOTE (remcook @ Aug 16 2005, 11:40 AM)Some b... Aug 17 2005, 07:09 PM
remcook Quote from alan stern:
QUOTE Yes, we spin most of... Aug 16 2005, 07:43 PM
Richard Trigaux Could not the Pioneer tapes be saved on a more mod... Aug 17 2005, 06:37 AM
remcook QUOTE It looks like the Pioneers have long stopped... Aug 17 2005, 08:09 PM
deglr6328 QUOTE (remcook @ Aug 17 2005, 08:09 PM)that... Aug 17 2005, 11:10 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Aug 18 2005, 12:10 AM)Not ... Aug 18 2005, 08:24 AM
Richard Trigaux As far as I understand from readings in the press,... Aug 18 2005, 06:59 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Aug 17 2005, 11:59 P... Aug 26 2005, 09:08 PM
antoniseb QUOTE (The Messenger @ Aug 26 2005, 04:08 PM)... Aug 26 2005, 10:42 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (antoniseb @ Aug 26 2005, 03:42 PM)The ... Aug 29 2005, 05:25 PM
algorimancer It seems to me that a simple means of checking thi... Aug 29 2005, 05:40 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (algorimancer @ Aug 29 2005, 10:40 AM)I... Aug 29 2005, 06:12 PM
edstrick Climate orbiter was not radar tracked, it was tran... Aug 30 2005, 08:52 AM
Mongo QUOTE (edstrick @ Aug 30 2005, 08:52 AM)There... Aug 30 2005, 07:12 PM
Bob Shaw Bill:
Your links, er, don't!
Bob Shaw Aug 31 2005, 11:28 AM
Mongo That's strange; I just clicked on them and the... Aug 31 2005, 02:45 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Mongo @ Aug 31 2005, 03:45 PM)That... Aug 31 2005, 03:42 PM
Mongo QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Aug 31 2005, 03:42 PM)I pro... Aug 31 2005, 03:57 PM
The Messenger I am at least as interested in the flight path ecc... Aug 31 2005, 06:56 PM
antoniseb QUOTE (The Messenger @ Aug 31 2005, 01:56 PM)... Aug 31 2005, 09:58 PM
dvandorn Hmmm... well, the effect must be very, very minor ... Aug 31 2005, 07:24 PM
Richard Trigaux Thanks to recent posters this thread took an inter... Sep 3 2005, 09:07 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Sep 3 2005, 07:07 PM... Sep 5 2005, 12:13 AM
Richard Trigaux A rather interesting prospective explanation of th... Sep 3 2005, 10:07 AM
remcook some people seem to agree and applied for funding ... Sep 3 2005, 10:18 AM
The Messenger Richard's proposed test of the Pioneer Anomaly... Sep 3 2005, 05:00 PM
Richard Trigaux Messenger,
my idea was intended to detect a gravi... Sep 4 2005, 07:03 AM
Richard Trigaux The LISA observatory project will use three test m... Sep 5 2005, 08:57 AM
The Messenger All of these approaches use assumptions we should ... Sep 5 2005, 04:28 PM
jamescanvin Heading off topic but...
QUOTE (The Messenger ... Sep 6 2005, 12:17 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Sep 5 2005, 05:17 PM)Hea... Sep 6 2005, 05:53 AM
Richard Trigaux Thanks jamescanvin for the image and the info it c... Sep 6 2005, 06:37 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Sep 6 2005, 04:37 PM... Sep 7 2005, 12:27 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Sep 7 2005, 12:27 AM)Yes... Sep 7 2005, 05:42 AM
dvandorn Once again, I'm asking a question that I proba... Sep 7 2005, 07:36 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 7 2005, 07:36 AM)Does a... Sep 7 2005, 10:28 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Sep 7 2005, 03:28 AM... Sep 8 2005, 06:21 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (The Messenger @ Sep 8 2005, 06:21 PM)I... Sep 9 2005, 07:21 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Sep 9 2005, 12:21 AM... Sep 12 2005, 01:49 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (The Messenger @ Sep 12 2005, 01:49 PM)... Sep 12 2005, 02:23 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Sep 12 2005, 07:23 A... Sep 12 2005, 06:56 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (The Messenger @ Sep 12 2005, 06:56 PM)... Sep 13 2005, 10:15 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Sep 13 2005, 05:15 A... Sep 13 2005, 01:17 PM
edstrick I'd have to check, but I think the Apollo 17 i... Sep 7 2005, 08:22 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 7 2005, 09:22 AM)The in... Sep 7 2005, 09:42 AM

dvandorn QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 7 2005, 04:42 AM)Oooh, ... Sep 7 2005, 06:33 PM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 7 2005, 07:33 PM)Oh, th... Sep 7 2005, 08:47 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 7 2005, 03:22 AM)I... Sep 7 2005, 06:41 PM
edstrick When the gravimeter was proposed, selected and des... Sep 7 2005, 10:38 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 7 2005, 10:38 AM)When t... Sep 7 2005, 02:38 PM
edstrick "From what I understand, though, even with th... Sep 8 2005, 10:49 AM
edstrick It has been hoped that cosmic sources of gravitati... Sep 9 2005, 07:45 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 9 2005, 07:45 AM)As far... Sep 9 2005, 08:17 AM
The Messenger Suggestions, by anyone, of engineering on this sca... Sep 13 2005, 04:16 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (The Messenger @ Sep 13 2005, 04:16 PM)... Sep 13 2005, 06:06 PM
The Messenger Returning to the Pioneer Anomally:
You may or may... Sep 14 2005, 03:31 PM
Richard Trigaux Messenger, yes the Earth does have a "gravita... Sep 14 2005, 03:46 PM
ljk4-1 http://www.issi.unibe.ch/teams/Pioneer/
The Pione... Oct 3 2005, 04:46 AM
edstrick ljk4-1: "...The Pioneer Explorer Collaboratio... Oct 3 2005, 07:15 AM
Richard Trigaux Thanks ljk4-1 for your interesting contribution. A... Oct 3 2005, 08:15 AM
deglr6328 sooooo did the planetary soc. get the data or what... Oct 3 2005, 09:53 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Oct 3 2005, 02:53 AM)soooo... Nov 10 2005, 01:29 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 9 2005, 08:29 PM) We... Nov 10 2005, 02:33 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 10 2005, 07:33 AM)De... Nov 10 2005, 04:46 PM
edstrick <grin> by "anomaly" I mean an ord... Oct 3 2005, 09:57 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (edstrick @ Oct 3 2005, 09:57 AM)<gr... Oct 3 2005, 12:40 PM
edstrick Aliens?... I thought it was the CIA and FBI.... or... Oct 4 2005, 06:27 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (edstrick @ Oct 4 2005, 06:27 AM)Aliens... Oct 4 2005, 07:37 AM
Myran Calculations using the 'MOND' theory (Modi... Nov 9 2005, 09:10 PM
Richard Trigaux I wonder if we could do any theory of any kind, ad... Nov 9 2005, 09:21 PM
mike That's what a theory is. Nov 9 2005, 09:42 PM
Myran QUOTE Richard Trigaux said: I wonder if we could d... Nov 10 2005, 05:21 AM
lyford Call me old fashioned, but I am a bit wary of jett... Nov 10 2005, 06:41 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (lyford @ Nov 9 2005, 11:41 PM)Call me ... Nov 10 2005, 04:44 PM
lyford QUOTE (The Messenger @ Nov 10 2005, 08:44 AM)... Nov 10 2005, 10:06 PM
ljk4-1 Astrophysics, abstract
astro-ph/0505310
From: Mic... Dec 20 2005, 04:05 PM
ljk4-1 General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract... Jan 3 2006, 02:31 AM
tfisher I just read through the last paper linked. They... Jan 3 2006, 07:10 AM
ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0504367
Date (v1): Sun, 17 Apr 20... Jan 4 2006, 06:18 PM
tasp I bet it is not as simple as this, but I will pos... Jan 5 2006, 04:14 AM
mchan QUOTE (tasp @ Jan 4 2006, 08:14 PM)Any possib... Jan 5 2006, 06:06 AM
ugordan QUOTE (mchan @ Jan 5 2006, 07:06 AM)One probl... Jan 5 2006, 08:52 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (ugordan @ Jan 5 2006, 09:52 AM)Wasn... Jan 5 2006, 01:16 PM
ljk4-1 Can New Horizons participate in this experiment? ... Jan 5 2006, 02:22 PM
djellison QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 5 2006, 02:22 PM)Can... Jan 5 2006, 02:43 PM
ugordan QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 5 2006, 03:43 PM)That... Jan 5 2006, 02:50 PM
tasp If an objection to putting a Voyager into a slow s... Jan 5 2006, 02:45 PM
djellison Damn good point actually UG - hadnt thought of tha... Jan 5 2006, 02:58 PM
ugordan QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 5 2006, 03:58 PM)Then ... Jan 5 2006, 03:05 PM
NMRguy QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Feb 23 2005, 09:20 AM)Yes... Jan 5 2006, 05:19 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (NMRguy @ Jan 5 2006, 05:19 PM)Alan add... Jan 5 2006, 05:56 PM
tty QUOTE (ugordan @ Jan 5 2006, 05:05 PM)Might h... Jan 5 2006, 06:47 PM![]() ![]() |
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