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 Aug 25 2005, 11:22 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4180840.stm
Europe has fixed on a concept for its next mission to land on the Red Planet. It aims to send a single robot rover to the Martian surface along with another, stationary, science package. |
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Jun 16 2006, 02:38 PM
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To be fair - it was hardly a beautiful tarmac highway....
http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge05/gran...05/dsc_3925.jpg There are bits of the floor of Gusev crater, and almost all of Meridiani where I would rather drive my car than on that road  Doug |
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Jun 16 2006, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 16 2006, 07:38 AM)  To be fair - it was hardly a beautiful tarmac highway.... Most of the teams preprogrammed the entire route from airphotos/satellite images and could have (or did) dead-reckoned nearly the whole way on GPS without even having vision or laser-scanning systems. And the vision systems were highly optimized to find the road edges. I looked at this fairly extensively a few months back, and in my opinion the applicability to planetary rovers is pretty low. I won't even discuss the relative power density between gasoline and solar or RTG systems. Between lidar and racks of processors, the GC vehicles were burning through kilowatts of electricity. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Jun 16 2006, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 16 2006, 08:20 AM) Most of the teams preprogrammed the entire route from airphotos/satellite images and could have (or did) dead-reckoned nearly the whole way on GPS without even having vision or laser-scanning systems. And the vision systems were highly optimized to find the road edges. That's what I was getting at. It is a successful but special-purpose solution. I do think it is feasible to get a rover to avoid obsticles with occasional calls for help. But that takes another special-purpose solution that is pushing the state of the art. The rover is not going to be "smart" in any sense. News articles about these kinds of things always exagerate, both because the journalists don't understand the science and because the academic culture has evolved to speak very aggressively and compete for precious small grant money. There is a natural tendancy to anthropormorphize, and you see blatent attempts to encourage that with projects like these. They are fun to check out, but what you see is misleading. What biological brains do is indeed remarkable, and the robots you see in movies are pure science fiction. Nobody really knows how smart a computer could be if it was programmed correctly. Maybe a high-end PC could be as smart as a human, but the breakthrough in software technology has not happened yet. |
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Jun 23 2006, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Jun 16 2006, 07:26 PM) Maybe a high-end PC could be as smart as a human, but the breakthrough in software technology has not happened yet. Ah! So when it finally happens, we can replace all politicians by a low-end PC. |
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Sunspot ExoMars Aug 25 2005, 11:22 AM
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Thanks Marcel. Aug 25 2005, 02:54 PM djellison One thing space isnt short of it's Acronyms
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QUOTE a mass of 120kg for the ... Aug 25 2005, 03:13 PM RNeuhaus QUOTE (Cugel @ Aug 25 2005, 10:13 AM)From the... Aug 25 2005, 03:20 PM djellison A straight copy of the Beagle 2 science payload wo... Aug 25 2005, 03:25 PM djellison Oh MODY - some call it MO2k1- Mars Odyssey
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h... Aug 25 2005, 07:32 PM RNeuhaus QUOTE SigurRosFan(Posted Today, 02:32 PM)
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I wonder if the motors on ... May 27 2006, 02:40 PM jamescanvin QUOTE (Cugel @ May 28 2006, 12:40 AM) The... May 28 2006, 01:27 AM Bob Shaw I hope they have some way to pop the drill assembl... May 28 2006, 01:36 AM PhilCo126 Well, the ESA Marsrover ExoMars 2011 project is f... May 30 2006, 11:40 AM jaredGalen QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ May 30 2006, 11:40 AM)... May 30 2006, 10:00 PM ljk4-1 British Scientists Unveil Latest Craft To Search F... Jun 13 2006, 12:53 PM ustrax QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jun 13 2006, 01:53 P... Jun 13 2006, 01:07 PM ljk4-1 QUOTE (ustrax @ Jun 13 2006, 09:07 AM) Br... Jun 13 2006, 01:59 PM RNeuhaus QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jun 13 2006, 08:59 A... Jun 13 2006, 03:58 PM helvick QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 13 2006, 04:58 PM) ... Jun 13 2006, 09:30 PM Analyst I am from Europe, but this article is cheap talk, ... Jun 13 2006, 01:49 PM djellison QUOTE (Analyst @ Jun 13 2006, 02:49 PM) I... Jun 13 2006, 02:05 PM Analyst Good point. Jun 13 2006, 02:31 PM Redstone Haven't seen this posted yet, so...
You can d... Jun 13 2006, 02:33 PM ustrax Bridget: (origin: Gaelic.) Brighid, "fiery da... Jun 13 2006, 02:48 PM Bob Shaw QUOTE (Redstone @ Jun 13 2006, 03:33 PM) ... Jun 13 2006, 05:54 PM DonPMitchell Space programs are fundamentally competative, whic... Jun 13 2006, 04:35 PM RNeuhaus Helvick, Your comments are for Amen! Much impr... Jun 13 2006, 09:53 PM djellison Of course, with custom realtime OS's - the pro... Jun 13 2006, 09:58 PM helvick QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 13 2006, 10:58 PM)... Jun 13 2006, 10:29 PM mcaplinger QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 13 2006, 02:58 PM)... Jun 14 2006, 02:24 AM RNeuhaus QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 13 2006, 09:24 PM... Jun 14 2006, 02:59 AM mcaplinger QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 13 2006, 07:59 PM) ... Jun 14 2006, 03:45 AM RNeuhaus QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 13 2006, 10:45 PM... Jun 14 2006, 04:45 PM helvick QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 14 2006, 05:45 PM) ... Jun 15 2006, 04:49 PM helvick QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 14 2006, 03:24 AM... Jun 14 2006, 06:48 AM lyford Did someone say RAD 750 User Manuals?
And much mo... Jun 14 2006, 12:04 AM monitorlizard I'm an absolute idiot when it comes to compute... Jun 14 2006, 01:43 AM DonPMitchell The Bell Labs inventor of UNIX, Ken Thompson, was ... Jun 14 2006, 03:23 AM Bob Shaw QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Jun 14 2006, 04:23 ... Jun 14 2006, 09:34 AM DonPMitchell QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jun 14 2006, 02:34 AM) ... Jun 14 2006, 05:04 PM RNeuhaus Brits Unveil Latest Robot To Search For Life On Ma... Jun 15 2006, 03:37 PM hendric What's your thoughts on the DARPA challenge? ... Jun 16 2006, 05:49 AM mcaplinger QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 15 2006, 10:49 PM) W... Jun 16 2006, 02:13 PM djellison We don't have a Mars GPS system, and we're... Jun 16 2006, 06:20 AM DonPMitchell It would save a lot of time and planning if a rove... Jun 16 2006, 07:17 AM djellison Don - have you seen the results of the Darpa chall... Jun 16 2006, 09:01 AM ljk4-1 Jim Bell said that during certain points of the da... Jun 16 2006, 02:09 PM Stephen QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Jun 16 2006, 07:26 ... Jun 23 2006, 12:32 PM djellison QUOTE (Stephen @ Jun 23 2006, 01:32 PM) n... Jun 23 2006, 12:39 PM djellison Oh - I quite agree ( and mentioned earlier ) there... Jun 16 2006, 03:29 PM RNeuhaus QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 16 2006, 10:29 AM)... Jun 16 2006, 04:06 PM PhilCo126 Here's the cover of ESA BUlletin we talked abo... Jun 22 2006, 11:07 AM dvandorn Cugel, we're talking about artificial *intelli... Jun 23 2006, 05:24 PM Greg Hullender Has anyone proposed a manned mission for the purpo... Jun 24 2006, 04:52 PM RNeuhaus QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Jun 24 2006, 11:5... Jun 24 2006, 08:52 PM djellison QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 24 2006, 09:52 PM) ... Jun 24 2006, 08:58 PM RNeuhaus QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 24 2006, 03:58 PM)... Jun 25 2006, 01:29 AM elakdawalla QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Jun 24 2006, 09:5... Jun 24 2006, 10:41 PM remcook I've heard people on message boards like these... Jun 24 2006, 05:40 PM djellison I confess...I've driven every functional RRGTM... Jun 24 2006, 10:54 PM elakdawalla Beautiful work, Doug!
To get the TPS one t... Jun 24 2006, 11:43 PM elakdawalla Question -- would faster microprocessors also requ... Jun 25 2006, 01:39 AM RNeuhaus QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jun 24 2006, 08:39 P... Jun 25 2006, 01:54 AM mchan Well, I wouldn't say definitely. In general, ... Jun 25 2006, 05:19 AM helvick QUOTE (mchan @ Jun 25 2006, 06:19 AM) Rad... Jun 25 2006, 10:09 AM RNeuhaus QUOTE (mchan @ Jun 25 2006, 12:19 AM) Wel... Jun 26 2006, 12:12 AM mchan Sounds like a different Moore than the one I am fa... Jun 26 2006, 09:13 AM |
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