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Aerobot Aims For Titan
imran
post Sep 3 2005, 04:31 AM
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Aerobot aims for Titan

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An intelligent floating robot could help to explore Saturn's moon Titan, following flight tests that prove it can survey large areas of land completely autonomously. The aerobot is even smart enough to avoid dangerous turbulence.


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This summer, aerobot's team got further funding to develop a full mission proposal, which may lead to a launch in 2012.


Good news and I hope this happens but a more realistic timeframe is late next decade, more likely after an Europa mission.
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post Oct 4 2005, 08:23 AM
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mmmmh ... alway the problem of cost.

Let us say:

-it is better an expensive mission which fulfills its goal, rather than a cheap one which is just present on the place.

-if there are money limitation, it is better to limit the number of mission rather than reducing the quality of each mission.

-The childish game of "competition" should left place to international cooperation. Many countries could provide subsystems, or even simply money or ground support. When we deal with billions, even only some millions can make a difference.
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post Oct 4 2005, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 4 2005, 01:23 AM)
-if there are money limitation, it is better to limit the number of mission rather than reducing the quality of each mission.
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I think you mean rather than many reduced missions to different worlds. However, if there were an option for many (or two) aerobots to Titan within the same cap as one larger one, the option of many would be appealing. With Titan's winds being what they are, it may be impossible for an aerobot to travel very far north-south during its lifetime. Imagine Mars after only Viking 1 and Viking 2 -- even now we've seen five locations (with a few km roving in two of those). Huygens has shown us one location (and its surroundings) -- a single big aerobot would probably be sent either to the equatorial area, to overfly a variety of dark/light terrain (as Huygens did), or to the deep south, to investigate, eg, Mezzoramia. Two Titan aerobots would make even more sense than two MERs for Mars -- if only a 90-day mission can be guaranteed. Now, if a longer life were likely, a single craft might eventually travel long distances in latitude and perform a more complete overview of Titan. Unfortunately, a helium balloon is likely to have problems with longevity that a wheeled vehicle does not -- you can sit on wheels forever and not sustain much disrepair, while the helium supply can only decrease over time unless a zero-leak system can be guaranteed.

The Pioneer Venus solution was to send one probe that contained the superset of atmospheric instruments along with smaller ones that probed basic quantities in a variety of places. That could perhaps be an option at Titan, to have one aerobot along with several very minimal (no need to probe isotope ratios in multiple locations) sounding probes that drop in at a carefully-selected variety of locations. Of course, all of this talk pushes the cost higher and higher.
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post Oct 4 2005, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 4 2005, 02:42 PM)
Unfortunately, a helium balloon is likely to have problems with longevity that a wheeled vehicle does not -- you can sit on wheels forever and not sustain much disrepair, while the helium supply can only decrease over time unless a zero-leak system can be guaranteed.
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Which is why an RTG-heated hot-air balloon is so attractive!


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- imran   Aerobot Aims For Titan   Sep 3 2005, 04:31 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   The ideas for a flying probe were already discusse...   Sep 3 2005, 06:50 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   The Solar System Roadmap has this one pretty firml...   Sep 3 2005, 10:21 AM
|- - imran   Some related news today: QUOTE A recent study per...   Oct 3 2005, 07:10 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   That price tag is ominous -- the Solar System Stra...   Oct 4 2005, 05:01 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   mmmmh ... alway the problem of cost. Let us say: ...   Oct 4 2005, 08:23 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 4 2005, 01:23 AM...   Oct 4 2005, 01:42 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 4 2005, 02:42 PM)Unfort...   Oct 4 2005, 02:10 PM
||- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Oct 4 2005, 02:10 PM)Which ...   Oct 4 2005, 04:46 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 4 2005, 01:42 PM)I thin...   Oct 4 2005, 04:49 PM
|- - imran   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 4 2005, 04:49 PM...   Oct 4 2005, 06:28 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   A thought: if -- as the new Langley study suggests...   Oct 6 2005, 10:14 PM
|- - imran   Here are the two Titan Mission Concepts presented ...   Oct 26 2005, 04:56 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (imran @ Oct 26 2005, 09:56 AM)The ques...   Oct 27 2005, 02:29 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I intend to do a little more grilling of the OPAG ...   Oct 27 2005, 01:27 AM
- - edstrick   JHReling asks: "Can an orbiter do high resol...   Oct 27 2005, 05:00 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   One problem with mapping Titan via aerobot: the wi...   Oct 27 2005, 07:07 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 27 2005, 02:07 AM)On...   Oct 27 2005, 01:57 PM
||- - imran   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 27 2005, 01:57 PM)I ...   Oct 27 2005, 04:48 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 27 2005, 12:07 AM)On...   Oct 27 2005, 03:56 PM
|- - hendric   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 27 2005, 09:56 AM)I thi...   Oct 27 2005, 09:55 PM
- - dvandorn   I still wonder whether or not we ought to be caref...   Oct 27 2005, 05:15 PM
- - mike   On the other hand, waste heat may eventually lead ...   Oct 27 2005, 07:11 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (mike @ Oct 27 2005, 12:11 PM)On the ot...   Oct 27 2005, 07:45 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 27 2005, 02:45 PM)I...   Oct 27 2005, 08:01 PM
||- - JRehling   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 27 2005, 01:01 PM)So...   Oct 27 2005, 09:26 PM
|- - mike   One could argue that Titan has conceivably not exp...   Oct 27 2005, 09:50 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (mike @ Oct 27 2005, 02:50 PM)One could...   Oct 27 2005, 10:26 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yes -- biogenesis ain't THAT automatic and qui...   Oct 27 2005, 10:37 PM
- - mike   I'll say heat + some other unrecognized variab...   Oct 28 2005, 12:37 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   It's also not "utterly impossible" t...   Oct 28 2005, 01:29 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 27 2005, 06:29 PM)So...   Oct 28 2005, 05:17 AM
- - mike   I suppose the only real way to know is to wait and...   Oct 28 2005, 02:10 AM
- - mike   Once you can prove beyond a doubt that something i...   Oct 28 2005, 02:59 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (mike @ Oct 28 2005, 07:59 AM)Once you ...   Oct 28 2005, 04:07 PM
- - tty   Having some experience with helicopters I would sa...   Oct 28 2005, 04:53 PM
- - dvandorn   Just to clarify my comments in re a relatively sup...   Oct 28 2005, 06:57 PM
|- - ljk4-1   How about a "tumbleweed" rover for Titan...   Oct 28 2005, 07:04 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 28 2005, 11:57 AM)Let...   Oct 28 2005, 08:30 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   Before the debate about UD ('Unintelligent Des...   Oct 28 2005, 11:09 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 28 2005, 08:57 PM)Just ...   Oct 29 2005, 04:35 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (tty @ Oct 29 2005, 09:35 AM)The simple...   Oct 29 2005, 05:46 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 29 2005, 06:46 PM)That ...   Oct 29 2005, 10:50 PM
- - mike   I agree, we should seek to avoid doing widespread ...   Oct 28 2005, 07:20 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (mike @ Oct 28 2005, 02:20 PM)I agree, ...   Oct 28 2005, 07:25 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 28 2005, 02:25 PM).....   Oct 28 2005, 07:30 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yeah, that is a possibility -- and one I had never...   Oct 29 2005, 01:15 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   You can't, and they're not going to try --...   Oct 30 2005, 12:52 AM
- - ngunn   Time to refloat this topic? http://planetary.org/b...   May 8 2006, 11:25 AM
|- - imran   Found this article interesting. Mars, Venus, Tita...   May 22 2006, 06:05 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (imran @ May 22 2006, 07:05 PM) Fou...   May 22 2006, 07:03 PM
|- - climber   [quote name='Bob Shaw' date='May 22 20...   May 22 2006, 07:43 PM
- - ljk4-1   Here is one way for astronauts to get around on Ti...   May 24 2006, 05:22 PM


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