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Aerobot Aims For Titan
imran
post Sep 3 2005, 04:31 AM
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Aerobot aims for Titan

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An intelligent floating robot could help to explore Saturn's moon Titan, following flight tests that prove it can survey large areas of land completely autonomously. The aerobot is even smart enough to avoid dangerous turbulence.


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This summer, aerobot's team got further funding to develop a full mission proposal, which may lead to a launch in 2012.


Good news and I hope this happens but a more realistic timeframe is late next decade, more likely after an Europa mission.
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post Oct 27 2005, 07:11 PM
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On the other hand, waste heat may eventually lead to the blooming of some lifeform never before seen on Titan.
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post Oct 27 2005, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE (mike @ Oct 27 2005, 12:11 PM)
On the other hand, waste heat may eventually lead to the blooming of some lifeform never before seen on Titan.
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I'm not sure what time scale of "eventually" that would be, but it's hard to imagine such an exuberant theory of biogenesis that would involve timescales overlapping with how long a probe would stay warm and spatial scales so small.

I think the concern is that a warm probe would cause chemical alteration of the immediate vicinity and thereby gather data (eg, compositional measurements) atypical of Titan. A car-sized probe wouldn't have much prospect for actually altering Titan. No effects at all would show up beyond a few meters, and for more than a few decades, and it would be quite a hypothesis that new life could arise in such a small and short-lived "lab". If it were so, we could replace astrobiology interestingly with controlled experiments on Earth.

Put another way, I don't think we've seen new lifeforms arise near new and unnatural sources of heating on Earth these past few decades (say, the "eternal flame" at JFK's grave). I doubt if anyone would even think to check. And a probe wouldn't stay warm a lot longer than that. Moreover, it wouldn't be as much warmer than Titan's ambient conditions than fire is warmer than Arlington Cemetary's natural conditions.
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- imran   Aerobot Aims For Titan   Sep 3 2005, 04:31 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   The ideas for a flying probe were already discusse...   Sep 3 2005, 06:50 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   The Solar System Roadmap has this one pretty firml...   Sep 3 2005, 10:21 AM
|- - imran   Some related news today: QUOTE A recent study per...   Oct 3 2005, 07:10 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   That price tag is ominous -- the Solar System Stra...   Oct 4 2005, 05:01 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   mmmmh ... alway the problem of cost. Let us say: ...   Oct 4 2005, 08:23 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 4 2005, 01:23 AM...   Oct 4 2005, 01:42 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 4 2005, 02:42 PM)Unfort...   Oct 4 2005, 02:10 PM
||- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Oct 4 2005, 02:10 PM)Which ...   Oct 4 2005, 04:46 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 4 2005, 01:42 PM)I thin...   Oct 4 2005, 04:49 PM
|- - imran   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 4 2005, 04:49 PM...   Oct 4 2005, 06:28 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   A thought: if -- as the new Langley study suggests...   Oct 6 2005, 10:14 PM
|- - imran   Here are the two Titan Mission Concepts presented ...   Oct 26 2005, 04:56 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (imran @ Oct 26 2005, 09:56 AM)The ques...   Oct 27 2005, 02:29 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I intend to do a little more grilling of the OPAG ...   Oct 27 2005, 01:27 AM
- - edstrick   JHReling asks: "Can an orbiter do high resol...   Oct 27 2005, 05:00 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   One problem with mapping Titan via aerobot: the wi...   Oct 27 2005, 07:07 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 27 2005, 02:07 AM)On...   Oct 27 2005, 01:57 PM
||- - imran   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 27 2005, 01:57 PM)I ...   Oct 27 2005, 04:48 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 27 2005, 12:07 AM)On...   Oct 27 2005, 03:56 PM
|- - hendric   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 27 2005, 09:56 AM)I thi...   Oct 27 2005, 09:55 PM
- - dvandorn   I still wonder whether or not we ought to be caref...   Oct 27 2005, 05:15 PM
- - mike   On the other hand, waste heat may eventually lead ...   Oct 27 2005, 07:11 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (mike @ Oct 27 2005, 12:11 PM)On the ot...   Oct 27 2005, 07:45 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 27 2005, 02:45 PM)I...   Oct 27 2005, 08:01 PM
||- - JRehling   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 27 2005, 01:01 PM)So...   Oct 27 2005, 09:26 PM
|- - mike   One could argue that Titan has conceivably not exp...   Oct 27 2005, 09:50 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (mike @ Oct 27 2005, 02:50 PM)One could...   Oct 27 2005, 10:26 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yes -- biogenesis ain't THAT automatic and qui...   Oct 27 2005, 10:37 PM
- - mike   I'll say heat + some other unrecognized variab...   Oct 28 2005, 12:37 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   It's also not "utterly impossible" t...   Oct 28 2005, 01:29 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 27 2005, 06:29 PM)So...   Oct 28 2005, 05:17 AM
- - mike   I suppose the only real way to know is to wait and...   Oct 28 2005, 02:10 AM
- - mike   Once you can prove beyond a doubt that something i...   Oct 28 2005, 02:59 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (mike @ Oct 28 2005, 07:59 AM)Once you ...   Oct 28 2005, 04:07 PM
- - tty   Having some experience with helicopters I would sa...   Oct 28 2005, 04:53 PM
- - dvandorn   Just to clarify my comments in re a relatively sup...   Oct 28 2005, 06:57 PM
|- - ljk4-1   How about a "tumbleweed" rover for Titan...   Oct 28 2005, 07:04 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 28 2005, 11:57 AM)Let...   Oct 28 2005, 08:30 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   Before the debate about UD ('Unintelligent Des...   Oct 28 2005, 11:09 PM
|- - tty   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 28 2005, 08:57 PM)Just ...   Oct 29 2005, 04:35 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (tty @ Oct 29 2005, 09:35 AM)The simple...   Oct 29 2005, 05:46 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 29 2005, 06:46 PM)That ...   Oct 29 2005, 10:50 PM
- - mike   I agree, we should seek to avoid doing widespread ...   Oct 28 2005, 07:20 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (mike @ Oct 28 2005, 02:20 PM)I agree, ...   Oct 28 2005, 07:25 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 28 2005, 02:25 PM).....   Oct 28 2005, 07:30 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yeah, that is a possibility -- and one I had never...   Oct 29 2005, 01:15 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   You can't, and they're not going to try --...   Oct 30 2005, 12:52 AM
- - ngunn   Time to refloat this topic? http://planetary.org/b...   May 8 2006, 11:25 AM
|- - imran   Found this article interesting. Mars, Venus, Tita...   May 22 2006, 06:05 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (imran @ May 22 2006, 07:05 PM) Fou...   May 22 2006, 07:03 PM
|- - climber   [quote name='Bob Shaw' date='May 22 20...   May 22 2006, 07:43 PM
- - ljk4-1   Here is one way for astronauts to get around on Ti...   May 24 2006, 05:22 PM


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