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Sep 3 2005, 04:31 AM
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Aerobot aims for Titan
QUOTE An intelligent floating robot could help to explore Saturn's moon Titan, following flight tests that prove it can survey large areas of land completely autonomously. The aerobot is even smart enough to avoid dangerous turbulence. QUOTE This summer, aerobot's team got further funding to develop a full mission proposal, which may lead to a launch in 2012. Good news and I hope this happens but a more realistic timeframe is late next decade, more likely after an Europa mission. |
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Oct 28 2005, 06:57 PM
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Just to clarify my comments in re a relatively superheated probe floating about in Titan's atmosphere, descending to touch down in many different, widely separated places...
Let's say you were tasked with investigating Africa, and the easiest and most convenient way for you to do this would be to dispatch a large metal balloon that maintained an *exterior* temperature of, say, 400 degrees Celsius. You'd have relatively little effect landing it on the sands of north Africa -- although the sands would tend to melt a bit, and you'd have a harder time establishing the sands' physical characteristics in their natural state. But everywhere you tried to land this thing in or near vegetation, you'd set fires. Depending on the climate, these fires could spread and have an impact far beyond your local landing site. Now, it's not like Africa hasn't seen fire before. On Earth, you don't even need to wait for meteors to set fires, lightning does it all the time. But your exploration program would probably get un-funded because you're being irresponsible about destroying pieces (even little pieces) of the place you're trying to explore. I freely admit that you're not going to set a forest fire on Titan. However, we do *not* understand the conditions on the surface of Titan well enough to be able to predict whether or not there is any kind of cryogenic *analog* to a forest fire that *can* be set off. Yes, such effects would also occur naturally, for example, when a meteor strikes. But that wouldn't make it *right* to go ahead and set off some "forest fires" of our own, completely unwittingly, in an attempt to explore Titan. Just as it would be irresponsible to use a superheated probe to explore Africa. The reason the Africa scenario would be considered irresponsible is that we *know* such a thing would set off fires and damage the African environment, at least to some degree. And yet, we're talking about sending a relatively superheated probe to Titan, have it float in a mix of complex hydrocarbons at cryogenic temperatures, and have it touch down in dozens of places, possibly right on top of potentially complex hydrocarbon solids, taking measurements and images. And, as far as I can tell, *no one* has even *thought about* what effect these touchdowns might have on complex hydrocarbon structures (organic or not) that may have formed at the surface -- structures we want to examine, not destroy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we ought to abandon exploration of Titan. I just think that we ought not get so caught up in "go fever" that we don't at least think through some of the potential risks a given set of exploration strategies might impose on the world we want to examine. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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imran Aerobot Aims For Titan Sep 3 2005, 04:31 AM
Richard Trigaux The ideas for a flying probe were already discusse... Sep 3 2005, 06:50 AM
BruceMoomaw The Solar System Roadmap has this one pretty firml... Sep 3 2005, 10:21 AM
imran Some related news today:
QUOTE A recent study per... Oct 3 2005, 07:10 PM
BruceMoomaw That price tag is ominous -- the Solar System Stra... Oct 4 2005, 05:01 AM
Richard Trigaux mmmmh ... alway the problem of cost.
Let us say:
... Oct 4 2005, 08:23 AM
JRehling QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 4 2005, 01:23 AM... Oct 4 2005, 01:42 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 4 2005, 02:42 PM)Unfort... Oct 4 2005, 02:10 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Oct 4 2005, 02:10 PM)Which ... Oct 4 2005, 04:46 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 4 2005, 01:42 PM)I thin... Oct 4 2005, 04:49 PM
imran QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 4 2005, 04:49 PM... Oct 4 2005, 06:28 PM
BruceMoomaw A thought: if -- as the new Langley study suggests... Oct 6 2005, 10:14 PM
imran Here are the two Titan Mission Concepts presented ... Oct 26 2005, 04:56 PM
JRehling QUOTE (imran @ Oct 26 2005, 09:56 AM)The ques... Oct 27 2005, 02:29 AM
BruceMoomaw I intend to do a little more grilling of the OPAG ... Oct 27 2005, 01:27 AM
edstrick JHReling asks: "Can an orbiter do high resol... Oct 27 2005, 05:00 AM
BruceMoomaw One problem with mapping Titan via aerobot: the wi... Oct 27 2005, 07:07 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 27 2005, 02:07 AM)On... Oct 27 2005, 01:57 PM

imran QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 27 2005, 01:57 PM)I ... Oct 27 2005, 04:48 PM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 27 2005, 12:07 AM)On... Oct 27 2005, 03:56 PM
hendric QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 27 2005, 09:56 AM)I thi... Oct 27 2005, 09:55 PM
dvandorn I still wonder whether or not we ought to be caref... Oct 27 2005, 05:15 PM
mike On the other hand, waste heat may eventually lead ... Oct 27 2005, 07:11 PM
JRehling QUOTE (mike @ Oct 27 2005, 12:11 PM)On the ot... Oct 27 2005, 07:45 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 27 2005, 02:45 PM)I... Oct 27 2005, 08:01 PM

JRehling QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 27 2005, 01:01 PM)So... Oct 27 2005, 09:26 PM
mike One could argue that Titan has conceivably not exp... Oct 27 2005, 09:50 PM
JRehling QUOTE (mike @ Oct 27 2005, 02:50 PM)One could... Oct 27 2005, 10:26 PM
BruceMoomaw Yes -- biogenesis ain't THAT automatic and qui... Oct 27 2005, 10:37 PM
mike I'll say heat + some other unrecognized variab... Oct 28 2005, 12:37 AM
BruceMoomaw It's also not "utterly impossible" t... Oct 28 2005, 01:29 AM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 27 2005, 06:29 PM)So... Oct 28 2005, 05:17 AM
mike I suppose the only real way to know is to wait and... Oct 28 2005, 02:10 AM
mike Once you can prove beyond a doubt that something i... Oct 28 2005, 02:59 PM
JRehling QUOTE (mike @ Oct 28 2005, 07:59 AM)Once you ... Oct 28 2005, 04:07 PM
tty Having some experience with helicopters I would sa... Oct 28 2005, 04:53 PM
ljk4-1 How about a "tumbleweed" rover for Titan... Oct 28 2005, 07:04 PM
JRehling QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 28 2005, 11:57 AM)Let... Oct 28 2005, 08:30 PM

Bob Shaw Before the debate about UD ('Unintelligent Des... Oct 28 2005, 11:09 PM
tty QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 28 2005, 08:57 PM)Just ... Oct 29 2005, 04:35 PM
JRehling QUOTE (tty @ Oct 29 2005, 09:35 AM)The simple... Oct 29 2005, 05:46 PM
helvick QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 29 2005, 06:46 PM)That ... Oct 29 2005, 10:50 PM
mike I agree, we should seek to avoid doing widespread ... Oct 28 2005, 07:20 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (mike @ Oct 28 2005, 02:20 PM)I agree, ... Oct 28 2005, 07:25 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 28 2005, 02:25 PM)..... Oct 28 2005, 07:30 PM
BruceMoomaw Yeah, that is a possibility -- and one I had never... Oct 29 2005, 01:15 AM
BruceMoomaw You can't, and they're not going to try --... Oct 30 2005, 12:52 AM
ngunn Time to refloat this topic?
http://planetary.org/b... May 8 2006, 11:25 AM
imran Found this article interesting.
Mars, Venus, Tita... May 22 2006, 06:05 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (imran @ May 22 2006, 07:05 PM) Fou... May 22 2006, 07:03 PM
climber [quote name='Bob Shaw' date='May 22 20... May 22 2006, 07:43 PM
ljk4-1 Here is one way for astronauts to get around on Ti... May 24 2006, 05:22 PM![]() ![]() |
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