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Ceres, More Fresh Water Than Earth!?, From Space.com |
Sep 8 2005, 12:29 AM
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Fans of Ceres will find this article interesting.
The 200 Plus Images are something I would love to get my hands on. Rotation animation Anyone!? http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0509...res_planet.html |
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Sep 14 2005, 09:53 AM
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The full "Nature" paper is now available at http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/2005/27/pdf.pdf . (That double "pdf" at the end is no mistake.)
It turns out I made a dumb mistake by assuming that the "25% ice" figure was a reference to Ceres' volume, rather than its mass. Since ice is much lower density than rock, if that figure is for ice then the water-ice mantle on Ceres would have a bigger volume and thus be thicker than I had calculated. Sure enough: "Assuming the densest core materials and the nominal mean density of 2,077 kgm23, ice mantles are 110–124km thick and constitute 24–26% of the body mass. The lighter core material requires a mantle thickness of 66 km and a 16% ice mass." |
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Sep 14 2005, 04:35 PM
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Thanks for the link and info, Bruce!
From reading, it almost sounds like Ceres is in its own class of 'roid, since it's the only one truly "relaxed". It's interesting that they expect the denser materials to have sunk to the core, and yet Ceres still maintains a spectral class of "C". Is there perhaps a layer of dusty "regolith" that is leftover from ice-sublimation that maybe lends it this spectral class, despite the fact that it is likely a "differentiated CM-chondrite"? I had never even considered 'roids as the first stepping stone for a permanent human science base, but Ceres might make excellent sense. A 9 hour rotation period is a little funky, but maybe Ceresians would enjoy a nice after-lunch siesta every 18h "day" (if it's acceptable to call 2-full rotations a "day"). Perhaps most exciting in terms of human exploration potential is from the Nature letter: "Even the minimum mantle thickness is greater than the likely excavation depths of craters a few hundred km across." So even if the crust is a nasty jumble of pebbles n' dust, a large crater would provide easy access to the water-rich mantle. A nice RTG rover could maybe scratch the bottom of the crater rim and begin melting a hole through the dirty-ice and begin excavating a nice cavern. Spray the walls with ice to make it air-tight, insulate with foam, pressurize and presto! Instant-igloo! Before I rush out in my covered wagon to stake my claim in the land-rush: 1. is solar-power economically viable from Ceres? How much panels would be needed to crank out the equivelent of the ISS? (ISS = 110kW using 2,500 square metres of solar-panels). 2. is the low gravity a problem for long-term residents? would a gravity-centerfuge be required to keep folks healthy enough for return to earth? 3. is nitrogen available anywhere near the belt? 4. what would be the raison d'etree for a Ceres Base? Watching 'roids? Fuel-depot for outer-solar-system missions? 5. how hard would it be to move nearby small 'roids into orbit for material's processing? Exciting stuff to dream about! |
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Decepticon Ceres, More Fresh Water Than Earth!? Sep 8 2005, 12:29 AM
JRehling QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 7 2005, 05:29 PM)Fans... Sep 8 2005, 01:56 AM
Decepticon Have you posted those yet? I would love to add tha... Sep 8 2005, 02:34 AM
David Interesting images. I've been comparing them ... Sep 8 2005, 05:48 AM
edstrick Ceres has long been suspected to be more than a to... Sep 8 2005, 10:39 AM
Jyril QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 8 2005, 01:39 PM)It con... Sep 8 2005, 03:03 PM
David QUOTE (Jyril @ Sep 8 2005, 03:03 PM)Juno is b... Sep 9 2005, 01:19 PM
SigurRosFan Hubble Press Release Images: Largest Asteroid May ... Sep 8 2005, 11:56 AM
Decepticon Looky Looky a great animation of Ceres rotation... Sep 8 2005, 11:58 AM
tfisher QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 8 2005, 07:58 AM)http... Sep 8 2005, 03:27 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (tfisher @ Sep 8 2005, 03:27 PM)Unfortu... Sep 8 2005, 09:14 PM
dvandorn So, it's relatively obvious that the largest o... Sep 8 2005, 05:56 PM
MizarKey QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 8 2005, 09:56 AM)Ceres ... Sep 8 2005, 06:18 PM
David QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 8 2005, 05:56 PM)Could ... Sep 8 2005, 06:44 PM
ljk4-1 I recall an illustrated story from a late 1970s gr... Sep 8 2005, 07:59 PM
JRehling QUOTE (David @ Sep 8 2005, 11:44 AM) P... Sep 9 2005, 04:47 AM
SigurRosFan Basic data of the Dawn mission:
Launch - June 17,... Sep 8 2005, 06:24 PM
gpurcell Killing the magentometer seems like a particularly... Sep 8 2005, 06:25 PM
Decepticon I can't believe the length of this mission.
... Sep 8 2005, 10:25 PM
Marz I must say I found this article to be quite an eye... Sep 9 2005, 01:57 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 8 2005, 10:25 PM)I ca... Sep 9 2005, 02:53 AM
edstrick I'm wondering...
If Ceres is differentiated i... Sep 9 2005, 08:05 AM
SigurRosFan Back in August 2003:
--- Ceres apparently retain... Sep 9 2005, 12:41 PM
SigurRosFan This article shows a limb profile.
HST Mapping o... Sep 9 2005, 01:31 PM
Decepticon Great Links Everyone! I'm also looking for... Sep 9 2005, 02:23 PM
AndyG One big advantage of Ceres is that the opportunity... Sep 9 2005, 03:46 PM
antoniseb QUOTE (AndyG @ Sep 9 2005, 10:46 AM)One big a... Sep 9 2005, 04:51 PM
David QUOTE (AndyG @ Sep 9 2005, 03:46 PM)One big a... Sep 9 2005, 10:11 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (David @ Sep 9 2005, 11:11 PM)Huh. So a... Sep 9 2005, 10:23 PM
David QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 9 2005, 10:23 PM)The as... Sep 9 2005, 10:33 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (David @ Sep 9 2005, 10:33 PM)It's ... Sep 9 2005, 11:53 PM
tedstryk Check out this version of the rotation movie. It ... Sep 10 2005, 03:57 AM
deglr6328 I wonder if we are missing any other potential int... Sep 10 2005, 04:01 AM
alan When the bright spot is near the right limb it app... Sep 10 2005, 06:08 AM
Decepticon Nice link tedstryk!
Its intresting to see so ... Sep 10 2005, 12:12 PM
Myran Its three different gif animations for the three f... Sep 10 2005, 02:52 PM
SigurRosFan --- Its density is similar to that of Ganymede (19... Sep 10 2005, 10:56 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Sep 10 2005, 11:56 PM)--... Sep 11 2005, 12:30 AM
SigurRosFan QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 11 2005, 02:30 AM)Well,... Sep 11 2005, 12:57 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Sep 11 2005, 01:57 AM)Th... Sep 11 2005, 01:19 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Sep 11 2005, 12:57 AM)Th... Sep 16 2005, 05:12 PM
alan Wow, that makes Ceres look puny. Sep 10 2005, 11:52 PM
Decepticon Proto Planet Sep 11 2005, 12:43 AM
SigurRosFan ...
Are there specifications for the maximal t... Sep 12 2005, 01:57 AM
tedstryk This all makes me wonder...Is Vesta, being basalti... Sep 12 2005, 02:32 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Sep 12 2005, 01:57 AM)..... Sep 12 2005, 03:58 AM
SigurRosFan Thanks Bruce!
Thus, the ice crust is roughly ... Sep 12 2005, 01:30 PM
BruceMoomaw Has anyone noticed what an attractive living place... Sep 12 2005, 04:03 AM
David QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 12 2005, 04:03 AM)Br... Sep 12 2005, 04:11 AM
dvandorn I've been saying for a while that the asteroid... Sep 12 2005, 04:15 AM
Marz QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 11 2005, 10:03 PM)Ha... Sep 16 2005, 07:53 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Marz @ Sep 16 2005, 08:53 PM)I'm s... Sep 16 2005, 11:01 PM
alan wikipedia lists it as 0.27 m/s^2 Sep 12 2005, 05:02 AM
David Divide Earth weights by 36 and you'll have app... Sep 12 2005, 01:23 PM
helvick QUOTE (David @ Sep 12 2005, 02:23 PM)Divide E... Sep 12 2005, 02:22 PM
Ames QUOTE (helvick @ Sep 12 2005, 03:22 PM)Er - I... Sep 12 2005, 03:36 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (helvick @ Sep 12 2005, 02:22 PM)Er - I... Sep 14 2005, 04:43 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Marz @ Sep 14 2005, 11:35 AM)I had nev... Sep 14 2005, 04:52 PM
helvick QUOTE (Marz @ Sep 14 2005, 05:35 PM)1. is sol... Sep 14 2005, 06:24 PM

ljk4-1 Asteroid or miniplanet? Cornell astronomer finds C... Sep 15 2005, 03:41 PM
tfisher QUOTE (Marz @ Sep 14 2005, 12:35 PM)I had nev... Sep 15 2005, 06:23 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (tfisher @ Sep 15 2005, 07:23 PM)I woul... Sep 15 2005, 08:29 PM
BruceMoomaw The new "Nature" article confirms that i... Sep 16 2005, 05:27 AM
dvandorn The problem is, we don't have any real data on... Sep 16 2005, 05:55 AM
mike If the idea of using people is deemed somehow unfe... Sep 16 2005, 02:39 PM
jamescanvin QUOTE (mike @ Sep 17 2005, 12:39 AM)If the id... Sep 19 2005, 01:40 AM
Rob Pinnegar I vaguely remember reading a paper once in which t... Sep 16 2005, 03:40 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Sep 16 2005, 03:40 PM)I... Sep 16 2005, 05:14 PM
Decepticon http://www.swri.org/press/2005/Images/ceres_movie.... Sep 17 2005, 03:41 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 17 2005, 03:41 AM)htt... Sep 17 2005, 03:44 AM
BruceMoomaw I noted in the "Dawn" thread the excelle... Sep 18 2005, 08:06 AM
Decepticon Heres another map. Forgot where I found this. Sep 18 2005, 12:51 PM
tedstryk Things like this really make me mad...Here is spac... Sep 18 2005, 01:01 PM
Decepticon How sad. Sep 18 2005, 04:36 PM
David What's even worse is that they put it under th... Sep 18 2005, 05:56 PM
mike Yeah. Cool stuff. If I had an infinite amount ... Sep 19 2005, 05:37 AM![]() ![]() |
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