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post Sep 8 2005, 12:29 AM
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Fans of Ceres will find this article interesting.

The 200 Plus Images are something I would love to get my hands on. Rotation animation Anyone!?


http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0509...res_planet.html
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post Sep 16 2005, 05:55 AM
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The problem is, we don't have any real data on how much gravity the human body needs to stay healthy, and for how many hours in a day it needs that gravity.

Some astronauts who suffered mild SAS symptoms on their way out to the Moon felt much better after landing on the Moon. It only took 1/6G for them to feel completely normal and comfortable.

While that's anecdotal information at best, there is still, as of right now, *zero* research data on micro-gravity deterioration effects at 1/6G, or 1/3G, or even 1/20G.

And physiology, like most things in the real world, doesn't follow nice, clean curves. A body can take some conditions a fairly wide degree out of "normal" for quite some time without showing any real degradation. But change the degree just slightly, or change another parameter in addition, and the body hits a "trigger" and starts reacting in ways that are ultimately destructive (loss of bone mass and minerals, etc.).

It's possible that 1/6G might be more than enough gravity for the body to retain normal bone density levels indefinitely. Maybe, though less likely, 1/20G will be enough to do the trick.

It seems to me the *only* way to get this data is by flying spacecraft (in LEO, for ease of the commute) which can be spun at different rates to create different gravity levels (via momentum / centripetal force). Heck you could create different levels at different distances from the rotational center.

Then put people aboard those spacecraft for three months, then six months, then nine months, then a year... do direct observational science on physiological reactions to spending extended periods at whatever gravity strength you want to create.

It wouldn't be all that hard to put together -- just build a central control bus and attach two TransHabs to it. Balance the weight in the TransHabs properly, set the whole thing spinning on the ends of a truss. Put solar panels near the center of the control bus, and keep your consumables down at the ends of the Habs. Cheap (relatively speaking), easy (relatively speaking) little station, which can support (with refurbishment/resupply) a crew of 3 to 6 for up to a year.

Run it for a year at a 1/3G speed, then for a year at 1/6G speed, and then for a year at 1/20G speed. Test crews in all three modes. Get your baseline data.

THEN start planning what kind of spacecraft you need for really long journeys.

-the other Doug


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- Decepticon   Ceres, More Fresh Water Than Earth!?   Sep 8 2005, 12:29 AM
- - JRehling   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 7 2005, 05:29 PM)Fans...   Sep 8 2005, 01:56 AM
- - Decepticon   Have you posted those yet? I would love to add tha...   Sep 8 2005, 02:34 AM
- - David   Interesting images. I've been comparing them ...   Sep 8 2005, 05:48 AM
- - edstrick   Ceres has long been suspected to be more than a to...   Sep 8 2005, 10:39 AM
|- - Jyril   QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 8 2005, 01:39 PM)It con...   Sep 8 2005, 03:03 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (Jyril @ Sep 8 2005, 03:03 PM)Juno is b...   Sep 9 2005, 01:19 PM
- - SigurRosFan   Hubble Press Release Images: Largest Asteroid May ...   Sep 8 2005, 11:56 AM
- - Decepticon   Looky Looky a great animation of Ceres rotation...   Sep 8 2005, 11:58 AM
|- - tfisher   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 8 2005, 07:58 AM)http...   Sep 8 2005, 03:27 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (tfisher @ Sep 8 2005, 03:27 PM)Unfortu...   Sep 8 2005, 09:14 PM
- - dvandorn   So, it's relatively obvious that the largest o...   Sep 8 2005, 05:56 PM
|- - MizarKey   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 8 2005, 09:56 AM)Ceres ...   Sep 8 2005, 06:18 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 8 2005, 05:56 PM)Could ...   Sep 8 2005, 06:44 PM
|- - ljk4-1   I recall an illustrated story from a late 1970s gr...   Sep 8 2005, 07:59 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (David @ Sep 8 2005, 11:44 AM)  P...   Sep 9 2005, 04:47 AM
- - SigurRosFan   Basic data of the Dawn mission: Launch - June 17,...   Sep 8 2005, 06:24 PM
- - gpurcell   Killing the magentometer seems like a particularly...   Sep 8 2005, 06:25 PM
- - Decepticon   I can't believe the length of this mission. ...   Sep 8 2005, 10:25 PM
|- - Marz   I must say I found this article to be quite an eye...   Sep 9 2005, 01:57 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 8 2005, 10:25 PM)I ca...   Sep 9 2005, 02:53 AM
- - edstrick   I'm wondering... If Ceres is differentiated i...   Sep 9 2005, 08:05 AM
- - SigurRosFan   Back in August 2003: --- Ceres apparently retain...   Sep 9 2005, 12:41 PM
- - SigurRosFan   This article shows a limb profile. HST Mapping o...   Sep 9 2005, 01:31 PM
- - Decepticon   Great Links Everyone! I'm also looking for...   Sep 9 2005, 02:23 PM
|- - AndyG   One big advantage of Ceres is that the opportunity...   Sep 9 2005, 03:46 PM
|- - antoniseb   QUOTE (AndyG @ Sep 9 2005, 10:46 AM)One big a...   Sep 9 2005, 04:51 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (AndyG @ Sep 9 2005, 03:46 PM)One big a...   Sep 9 2005, 10:11 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (David @ Sep 9 2005, 11:11 PM)Huh. So a...   Sep 9 2005, 10:23 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 9 2005, 10:23 PM)The as...   Sep 9 2005, 10:33 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (David @ Sep 9 2005, 10:33 PM)It's ...   Sep 9 2005, 11:53 PM
|- - tedstryk   Check out this version of the rotation movie. It ...   Sep 10 2005, 03:57 AM
- - deglr6328   I wonder if we are missing any other potential int...   Sep 10 2005, 04:01 AM
- - alan   When the bright spot is near the right limb it app...   Sep 10 2005, 06:08 AM
- - Decepticon   Nice link tedstryk! Its intresting to see so ...   Sep 10 2005, 12:12 PM
- - Myran   Its three different gif animations for the three f...   Sep 10 2005, 02:52 PM
- - SigurRosFan   --- Its density is similar to that of Ganymede (19...   Sep 10 2005, 10:56 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Sep 10 2005, 11:56 PM)--...   Sep 11 2005, 12:30 AM
|- - SigurRosFan   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 11 2005, 02:30 AM)Well,...   Sep 11 2005, 12:57 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Sep 11 2005, 01:57 AM)Th...   Sep 11 2005, 01:19 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Sep 11 2005, 12:57 AM)Th...   Sep 16 2005, 05:12 PM
- - alan   Wow, that makes Ceres look puny.   Sep 10 2005, 11:52 PM
- - Decepticon   Proto Planet   Sep 11 2005, 12:43 AM
- - SigurRosFan   ... Are there specifications for the maximal t...   Sep 12 2005, 01:57 AM
|- - tedstryk   This all makes me wonder...Is Vesta, being basalti...   Sep 12 2005, 02:32 AM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Sep 12 2005, 01:57 AM).....   Sep 12 2005, 03:58 AM
|- - SigurRosFan   Thanks Bruce! Thus, the ice crust is roughly ...   Sep 12 2005, 01:30 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Has anyone noticed what an attractive living place...   Sep 12 2005, 04:03 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 12 2005, 04:03 AM)Br...   Sep 12 2005, 04:11 AM
|- - dvandorn   I've been saying for a while that the asteroid...   Sep 12 2005, 04:15 AM
|- - Marz   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 11 2005, 10:03 PM)Ha...   Sep 16 2005, 07:53 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Marz @ Sep 16 2005, 08:53 PM)I'm s...   Sep 16 2005, 11:01 PM
- - alan   wikipedia lists it as 0.27 m/s^2   Sep 12 2005, 05:02 AM
- - David   Divide Earth weights by 36 and you'll have app...   Sep 12 2005, 01:23 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (David @ Sep 12 2005, 02:23 PM)Divide E...   Sep 12 2005, 02:22 PM
|- - Ames   QUOTE (helvick @ Sep 12 2005, 03:22 PM)Er - I...   Sep 12 2005, 03:36 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (helvick @ Sep 12 2005, 02:22 PM)Er - I...   Sep 14 2005, 04:43 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The full "Nature" paper is now available...   Sep 14 2005, 09:53 AM
|- - Marz   Thanks for the link and info, Bruce! From rea...   Sep 14 2005, 04:35 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Marz @ Sep 14 2005, 11:35 AM)I had nev...   Sep 14 2005, 04:52 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Marz @ Sep 14 2005, 05:35 PM)1. is sol...   Sep 14 2005, 06:24 PM
||- - ljk4-1   Asteroid or miniplanet? Cornell astronomer finds C...   Sep 15 2005, 03:41 PM
|- - tfisher   QUOTE (Marz @ Sep 14 2005, 12:35 PM)I had nev...   Sep 15 2005, 06:23 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (tfisher @ Sep 15 2005, 07:23 PM)I woul...   Sep 15 2005, 08:29 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The new "Nature" article confirms that i...   Sep 16 2005, 05:27 AM
- - dvandorn   The problem is, we don't have any real data on...   Sep 16 2005, 05:55 AM
- - mike   If the idea of using people is deemed somehow unfe...   Sep 16 2005, 02:39 PM
|- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (mike @ Sep 17 2005, 12:39 AM)If the id...   Sep 19 2005, 01:40 AM
- - Rob Pinnegar   I vaguely remember reading a paper once in which t...   Sep 16 2005, 03:40 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Sep 16 2005, 03:40 PM)I...   Sep 16 2005, 05:14 PM
- - Decepticon   http://www.swri.org/press/2005/Images/ceres_movie....   Sep 17 2005, 03:41 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 17 2005, 03:41 AM)htt...   Sep 17 2005, 03:44 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I noted in the "Dawn" thread the excelle...   Sep 18 2005, 08:06 AM
- - Decepticon   Heres another map. Forgot where I found this.   Sep 18 2005, 12:51 PM
|- - tedstryk   Things like this really make me mad...Here is spac...   Sep 18 2005, 01:01 PM
- - Decepticon   How sad.   Sep 18 2005, 04:36 PM
- - David   What's even worse is that they put it under th...   Sep 18 2005, 05:56 PM
- - mike   Yeah. Cool stuff. If I had an infinite amount ...   Sep 19 2005, 05:37 AM


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