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Apollo, thoughts on a lost era
DDAVIS
post Sep 9 2005, 09:02 PM
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I have a page on Apollo which is updated annually. Do others feel more optimistic than i do on the prospects for return? I for one won't believe we will leave LEO until the hardware to do it is actually being built.

http://www.donaldedavis.com/PARTS/Apollo30.html
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post Sep 9 2005, 10:58 PM
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For a lunar MER equivalent, it would be awesome if they did a soft-lander with a restart capability, so it could rove to nearby places and hover/fly to locations further away. A hover/rover, would that be a hoover?


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post Sep 9 2005, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE (hendric @ Sep 9 2005, 11:58 PM)
For a lunar MER equivalent, it would be awesome if they did a soft-lander with a restart capability, so it could rove to nearby places and hover/fly to locations further away.  A hover/rover, would that be a hoover?
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The proposed 'Penguin' Lunar hopper (using SDI funded technology) has recently been suggested as exactly that, primarily for use around the Lunar poles... ...presumably it would suck up dust, and, er, fluff.

As for a LunaMER, would Lunakhod be a good name?

Actually, I agree that a Moon rover would be a terrific idea - perhaps they could use the Moon as a test-bed for unmanned missions to Mars (this is not *entirely* sarcasm, though I must confess that there is a degree of said deformity in this post!).


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post Sep 9 2005, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 9 2005, 11:10 PM)
The proposed 'Penguin' Lunar hopper (using SDI funded technology) has recently been suggested as exactly that, primarily for use around the Lunar poles... ...presumably it would suck up dust, and, er, fluff.

As for a LunaMER, would Lunakhod be a good name?

Actually, I agree that a Moon rover would be a terrific idea - perhaps they could use the Moon as a test-bed for unmanned missions to Mars (this is not *entirely* sarcasm, though I must confess that there is a degree of said deformity in this post!).
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I would think it a great idea. Imagery junky that I am, just imagine the vistas we would see! And it wouldn't be like an MER, where after two years all they will have covered is the equivalent of a short hike. Because there isn't the radio lag time you have at Mars, they could essenitally be driven by controlers watching what it is seeming in nearly real time. If the Soviets could make one travel 28 km in the 1970s, just imagine what we could do now!


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post Sep 9 2005, 11:49 PM
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Another idea I had related to the moon had to do with the Apollo negatives. Not even Michael Light had access the originals - they are cryogenically frozen to prevent them from aging. I believe the time has come to get them out and scan them at resolution so high and and a depth so great that you have the closest thing possible to a perfect digital reproduction of them. These could be then catalogued and released in a standard format similar to other imagery on the PDS. This would make the images more accessible to all, and I think make them much more compelling, as most Apollo era reproductions were crap. A reconversion of the video signal would also be cool.


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post Sep 12 2005, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 9 2005, 11:49 PM)
Another idea I had related to the moon had to do with the Apollo negatives.  Not even Michael Light had access the originals - they are cryogenically frozen to prevent them from aging.  I believe the time has come to get them out and scan them at resolution so high and and a depth so great that you have the closest thing possible to a perfect digital reproduction of them.
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Ted,

Scans of several original Apollo film magazines can be found at www.apolloarchive.com. "A11-40" was the first magazine to be scanned in 2004, coinciding with the 35th anniversary of Neil's first step. This roll covers the entire Apollo 11 EVA.

Since then, many other Apollo magazines have been digitally scanned by Johnson Space Center and sent to Kipp Teague in TIFF format. After extensive processing and conversion to the JPEG format, he makes the images available to download from his website.

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

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post Sep 13 2005, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE (Ian R @ Sep 12 2005, 08:09 PM)
Ted,

Scans of several original Apollo film magazines can be found at www.apolloarchive.com. "A11-40" was the first magazine to be scanned in 2004, coinciding with the 35th anniversary of Neil's first step. This roll covers the entire Apollo 11 EVA.

Since then, many other Apollo magazines have been digitally scanned by Johnson Space Center and sent to Kipp Teague in TIFF format. After extensive processing and conversion to the JPEG format, he makes the images available to download from his website.

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

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Thanks for the link...I am seaching for the exact source of the scan....was it the first generation copy like Light used, or did they for the first time thaw out the negatives...I can't find anything with regard to this. Did you find any discussion on the site or elsewhere? I can't find it.


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post Sep 15 2005, 12:02 AM
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In addition, here is a post that Kipp Teague made to the Project Apollo Yahoo Group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ProjectApollo/) on the 12th of July, 2004:

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Message 20506
Please visit http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html where you
will now find online the entire film magazine shot during the Apollo 11
EVA, and with all images newly scanned by Johnson Space Center from the
original long roll film. The new versions of these historic photographs
offer a tremendous improvement over earlier versions. It's no exaggeration
to say that you can now see the Apollo 11 EVA as you have never seen
it. More information about this project is on the introductory page of the
site in the lower frame.

Enjoy!

Kipp Teague
The Project Apollo Archive,
in collaboration with Eric Jones' Apollo Lunar Surface Journal


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post Sep 15 2005, 12:07 AM
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At 11:54 PM 8/15/2005, you wrote:
>It looks like most of the new action is more high res scans of entire
>original film rolls, from Apollos 14, 15 and 16. Good stuff.

Yes, but wait a few days before any major downloading - I am re-processing
some of the sequences after not being satisfied with my first pass on these
(the raw TIFF's require significant adjustment for presentation).

Thanks.
Kipp


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