Venera Images, VENERA 13 fully calibrated image |
Venera Images, VENERA 13 fully calibrated image |
Sep 14 2005, 09:26 PM
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Jan 11 2006, 05:13 PM
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I heard about refraction in Venusian atmosphere...something like "you would have feeling that you are walkin at the bottom of crater with very steep walls even if you are on flat ground...don't remember quite well about that but, seeing the back of your own head????I HAVE NEVER HEARD SOMETHING LIKE THAT...please explain...
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Jan 11 2006, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 11 2006, 06:13 PM) I heard about refraction in Venusian atmosphere...something like "you would have feeling that you are walkin at the bottom of crater with very steep walls even if you are on flat ground. I seriously doubt that. For starters refraction effects happen at interfaces or across density gradients. For the sort of effects described here you would need to have really bizarre density gradients all around you. Things would probably look a bit different and heat shimmer effects might be more pronounced than on earth but they would be far less extreme than under water on earth for example. The refractive index of CO2 at STP is 1.000449 (air is 1.000292). The refractive index of a gas changes (very approximately) with density according to (RIx=1+(RIstp-1)*(Dx/Dstp) so the RI of the venusian surface atmosphere is somewhere around 1.04041 (since the Venusian surface atmospheric density is approximately 90x the density of CO2 at STP). Snells law gives us something to calculate what this would mean for a human in a spacesuit on the surface of Venus. Assuming we have an optically neutral window and we simplify the calculation down to an air (at stp) CO2 (at Venus surface) boundary. Snell's law : RIi*Sin(Thetai)=RIr*Sin(Thetar) Thetai = Incident beam angle and Thetar= Refracted beam angle So Sin(Thetar)=1.000292*(sin(45deg)/1.04041 The refracted beam would be at 42.8deg. Noticable but not significant. As a comparison for a water:air interface on earth the equivalent refracted beam would be at 32.9deg. All in all it might be hard to play pool well on the surface of Venus but it certainly wouldn't create any bizarre visual effects. |
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Jan 11 2006, 07:20 PM
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Don Dixon made some paintings of the alleged super refraction of Venus' atmosphere from the surface here:
http://www.cosmographica.com/gallery/portf...fraction%20.htm http://www.cosmographica.com/gallery/portf...097-Inferno.htm As a bonus, here is Dixon's rendition of what the Pioneer Venus Day Probe probably looked like as it sat on the planet's surface and radioed back to Earth for 67 minutes in 1978: http://www.cosmographica.com/gallery/portf...enusLanding.htm -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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vikingmars Venera Images Sep 14 2005, 09:26 PM
Decepticon Wow! Nice work. Sep 14 2005, 09:31 PM
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Yes, indeed, I had to reconstruct s... Sep 15 2005, 07:18 AM
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tedstryk QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 4 2005, 08:50 PM) Wel... Oct 4 2005, 08:59 PM
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Bob Shaw QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 4 2005, 11:41 PM)My bet... Oct 4 2005, 10:53 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Oct 4 2005, 05:53 PM)Well, ... Oct 5 2005, 04:04 PM
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ilbasso Wasn't there also the thought that there is su... Oct 5 2005, 09:02 PM
RNeuhaus How does the Venus has some kind of rain when the ... Oct 5 2005, 09:11 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Oct 5 2005, 09:11 PM)How do... Oct 5 2005, 09:13 PM
helvick QUOTE (tedstryk @ Oct 5 2005, 10:13 PM)There ... Oct 5 2005, 09:49 PM
vikingmars (following item #19)
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Bob Shaw Lovely image!
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ilbasso Absolutely breathtaking! I'm amazed at th... Oct 9 2005, 02:07 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (tedstryk @ Oct 5 2005, 09:13 PM)There ... Oct 9 2005, 05:58 AM
RNeuhaus I have found useful information about the Venera... Oct 11 2005, 10:18 PM
vikingmars (Thanks to all for your great contributions about ... Oct 22 2005, 12:20 PM
tedstryk Here is an attempt to do similar processing with a... Jan 8 2006, 03:28 AM
PhilCo126 Superb work on those 1982 Venera color panoramas... Jan 8 2006, 04:02 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ Jan 8 2006, 04:02 PM)Super... Jan 9 2006, 02:33 PM
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JRehling QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jan 9 2006, 07:08 AM)Very d... Jan 9 2006, 08:29 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 9 2006, 08:29 PM)While ... Jan 9 2006, 08:34 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jan 9 2006, 09:34 PM)I have... Jan 9 2006, 11:10 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 9 2006, 11:10 PM)Or eve... Jan 9 2006, 11:12 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jan 10 2006, 12:12 AM)I thi... Jan 9 2006, 11:24 PM

tedstryk Here is a Venera 14 compilation. I can't get ... Jan 10 2006, 02:43 AM
JRehling QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jan 9 2006, 03:12 PM)I thin... Jan 10 2006, 03:04 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 10 2006, 03:04 AM)Vener... Jan 10 2006, 03:16 AM
tedstryk Here is the completed version of that set. Becaus... Jan 10 2006, 05:02 AM
RNeuhaus I think that the dust is the product of desintegra... Jan 9 2006, 09:22 PM
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RNeuhaus QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 9 2006, 05:14 PM)I... Jan 10 2006, 04:24 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jan 10 2006, 11:24 AM)You a... Jan 10 2006, 04:26 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 10 2006, 11:26 AM)I ... Jan 10 2006, 04:57 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jan 10 2006, 11:57 AM)Why s... Jan 10 2006, 07:30 PM
tedstryk Here are two more shots. An improved horizon pan:... Jan 11 2006, 02:49 PM
paxdan Looks to me that if you flipped the rock over it m... Jan 11 2006, 04:02 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (paxdan @ Jan 11 2006, 04:02 PM)Looks t... Jan 11 2006, 04:35 PM
BruceMoomaw The consensus now is that what we're seeing in... Jan 10 2006, 03:01 AM
tasp { I hope I phrase this well enough }
Does any one... Jan 10 2006, 06:30 PM
JRehling QUOTE (tasp @ Jan 10 2006, 10:30 AM){ I hope ... Jan 10 2006, 06:50 PM
Michael Capobianco Does anyone else remember the "fact" tha... Jan 11 2006, 05:00 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 11 2006, 05:13 PM)I heard... Jan 11 2006, 05:41 PM
JRehling QUOTE (helvick @ Jan 11 2006, 10:43 AM)All in... Jan 11 2006, 07:06 PM
Toma B QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 11 2006, 10:20 PM)Do... Jan 11 2006, 07:27 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 11 2006, 02:27 PM)...but ... Jan 11 2006, 07:29 PM
BruceMoomaw Yes, the first shots of Venus from Venera 9 and 10... Jan 12 2006, 01:47 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 11 2006, 08:47 PM)Ye... Jan 12 2006, 05:53 PM
ljk4-1 Soviet Veneras and Mars: first entry probes trajec... Jan 23 2006, 05:08 PM
tedstryk Great find! I had seen the Mars 6 stuff in an... Jan 23 2006, 06:07 PM
ljk4-1 Found this Soviet document from 1969 on their Vene... Jun 3 2006, 08:34 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jun 3 2006, 01:34 PM... Jun 4 2006, 03:13 AM
Rakhir Don,
your images are amazing !
Old Soviet... Sep 11 2006, 04:15 PM
dilo To many things are happening today...
These Vene... Sep 11 2006, 07:23 PM
Stu Congratulations on being featured on SPACE.com Don... Sep 11 2006, 10:10 PM
climber QUOTE (Stu @ Sep 12 2006, 12:10 AM) The o... Sep 11 2006, 11:17 PM
tedstryk Congratulations! It is great to see the image... Sep 11 2006, 11:52 PM
DonPMitchell Thanks guys. NBC picked up the story too (MSNBC).... Sep 11 2006, 11:58 PM
DFinfrock Don,
Those old Venera images were always apprecia... Sep 12 2006, 01:03 AM
DonPMitchell Thanks, it was an afterthought really, but I'm... Sep 12 2006, 01:28 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Sep 11 2006, 06:28 ... Sep 12 2006, 04:40 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 11 2006, 09:40 PM... Sep 12 2006, 06:26 AM
AndyG Well done, Don.
You've managed to make me bea... Sep 12 2006, 08:40 AM
dilo Don, my first attempt to produce vertical/polar pr... Sep 12 2006, 11:01 AM

DonPMitchell The images were originally 800 x 600, and the sky ... Sep 12 2006, 11:42 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Sep 11 2006, 11:26 ... Sep 12 2006, 01:57 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 12 2006, 06:57 AM... Sep 12 2006, 03:56 PM
dvandorn Yes, thanks, Don! In particular, the "hi... Sep 12 2006, 02:26 AM
RNeuhaus I was delighted to see Don's Pictures. I could... Sep 12 2006, 03:01 AM
mars loon Don,
beautiful work. fantastic hills. I will now... Sep 12 2006, 12:15 PM
Myran You're in the news mr DonPMitchell. Sep 12 2006, 05:36 PM
Tayfun Öner A quicktime VR would be nice. Sep 12 2006, 06:21 PM![]() ![]() |
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