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Sep 14 2005, 09:26 PM
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Jan 12 2006, 01:47 AM
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Yes, the first shots of Venus from Venera 9 and 10 turned out to be remarkable for their sheer ordinariness. Not only was there no super-refractive "swimming pool effect" (which had recently become a staple of SF stories about the planet; John Varley's first published story used it and was called "In the Bowl"), but even in those grainy photos it was clear that the horizon was fairly sharp and that the shadows even of small pebbles, despite the dense atmosphere, were quite sharp. In fact, the Soviets had equipped the two landers with floodlights on the assumption that the solar illumination might be too dim to see the surface otherwise! The much better photos from Venera 13 and 14, of course, confirmed all this even more dramatically (and also revealed that fiery orange sky, although I don't know whether that color was predicted in advance).
Scientists have, really, a pretty bad track record when it comes to predicting the optical qualities of surface photos. Remember how astonished everyone was when Viking 1's first black-and-white photos showed a light-colored sky (which later turned out to be pink) instead of the deep violet sky everyone had expected? They even predicted that deep violet sky again for Pathfinder, since there was less dust in the air at the time of its landing. |
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Jan 12 2006, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 11 2006, 08:47 PM) Yes, the first shots of Venus from Venera 9 and 10 turned out to be remarkable for their sheer ordinariness. Not only was there no super-refractive "swimming pool effect" (which had recently become a staple of SF stories about the planet; John Varley's first published story used it and was called "In the Bowl"), but even in those grainy photos it was clear that the horizon was fairly sharp and that the shadows even of small pebbles, despite the dense atmosphere, were quite sharp. In fact, the Soviets had equipped the two landers with floodlights on the assumption that the solar illumination might be too dim to see the surface otherwise! The much better photos from Venera 13 and 14, of course, confirmed all this even more dramatically (and also revealed that fiery orange sky, although I don't know whether that color was predicted in advance). The big reason Soviet scientists thought Venus would be so dark at its surface is that the Venera 8 lander reported dim lighting conditions in 1972. Venera 8 did this with cadmium sulfide photoresistors (try to fit that phrase into your next dinner conversation), as it carried no cameras. But what they did not seem to take into account was that the Sun was only 5 degrees above the horizon at the Venera 8 landing site when the readings were taken. ftp://ftp.seds.org/pub/info/newsletters/e...93/jasa9303.txt -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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vikingmars Venera Images Sep 14 2005, 09:26 PM
Decepticon Wow! Nice work. Sep 14 2005, 09:31 PM
um3k Very nice! Sep 14 2005, 10:07 PM
hal_9000 WoW! Sep 14 2005, 10:25 PM
gpurcell QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 14 2005, 09:26 PM) He... Sep 14 2005, 10:36 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 14 2005, 09:26 PM) He... Sep 15 2005, 12:18 AM
vikingmars Dear Tedstryk,
Yes, indeed, I had to reconstruct s... Sep 15 2005, 07:18 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 15 2005, 07:18 AM) De... Sep 15 2005, 02:31 PM
tedstryk I have updated one of my mosaics from Venera 13. ... Sep 19 2005, 05:17 PM
Decepticon Now thats cool! Sep 19 2005, 09:45 PM
GregM . Sep 24 2005, 03:39 AM
Decepticon tedstryk I was wondering if you have ever edited t... Sep 24 2005, 05:05 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 24 2005, 05:05 AM)ted... Sep 24 2005, 12:33 PM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 24 2005, 01:33 PM)Other... Sep 24 2005, 02:48 PM

dvandorn QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 24 2005, 09:48 AM)...Su... Sep 24 2005, 04:02 PM

djellison QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 24 2005, 04:02 PM)There... Sep 24 2005, 04:05 PM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 24 2005, 05:05 PM)I... Sep 24 2005, 05:09 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 23 2005, 10:05 PM)ted... Sep 24 2005, 04:39 PM
vikingmars Looking again closely at the Venera 13 camera 1 ra... Oct 4 2005, 08:00 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 4 2005, 03:00 PM) Loo... Oct 4 2005, 08:29 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 4 2005, 09:00 PM)And ... Oct 4 2005, 10:50 PM
vikingmars ...and I forgot to show you how the camera 1 pan l... Oct 4 2005, 08:21 PM
vikingmars Well ljk4-1... I don't know about the "Ve... Oct 4 2005, 08:50 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 4 2005, 08:50 PM) Wel... Oct 4 2005, 08:59 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 4 2005, 03:50 PM) Wel... Oct 4 2005, 09:03 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 4 2005, 09:03 PM)I a... Oct 4 2005, 10:21 PM
JRehling QUOTE (tedstryk @ Oct 4 2005, 03:21 PM)It als... Oct 4 2005, 10:41 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 4 2005, 11:41 PM)My bet... Oct 4 2005, 10:53 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Oct 4 2005, 05:53 PM)Well, ... Oct 5 2005, 04:04 PM
JRehling QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Oct 5 2005, 09:04 AM)The Ve... Oct 5 2005, 04:42 PM
ilbasso Wasn't there also the thought that there is su... Oct 5 2005, 09:02 PM
RNeuhaus How does the Venus has some kind of rain when the ... Oct 5 2005, 09:11 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Oct 5 2005, 09:11 PM)How do... Oct 5 2005, 09:13 PM
helvick QUOTE (tedstryk @ Oct 5 2005, 10:13 PM)There ... Oct 5 2005, 09:49 PM
vikingmars (following item #19)
http://www.unmannedspaceflig... Oct 8 2005, 05:08 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 8 2005, 12:08 PM)(fol... Oct 8 2005, 05:45 PM
Bob Shaw Lovely image!
Bob Shaw Oct 8 2005, 06:10 PM
ilbasso Absolutely breathtaking! I'm amazed at th... Oct 9 2005, 02:07 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (tedstryk @ Oct 5 2005, 09:13 PM)There ... Oct 9 2005, 05:58 AM
RNeuhaus I have found useful information about the Venera... Oct 11 2005, 10:18 PM
vikingmars (Thanks to all for your great contributions about ... Oct 22 2005, 12:20 PM
tedstryk Here is an attempt to do similar processing with a... Jan 8 2006, 03:28 AM
PhilCo126 Superb work on those 1982 Venera color panoramas... Jan 8 2006, 04:02 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ Jan 8 2006, 04:02 PM)Super... Jan 9 2006, 02:33 PM
RNeuhaus Very different type of terrain. Mainly rocky, no s... Jan 9 2006, 03:08 PM
JRehling QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jan 9 2006, 07:08 AM)Very d... Jan 9 2006, 08:29 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 9 2006, 08:29 PM)While ... Jan 9 2006, 08:34 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jan 9 2006, 09:34 PM)I have... Jan 9 2006, 11:10 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 9 2006, 11:10 PM)Or eve... Jan 9 2006, 11:12 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jan 10 2006, 12:12 AM)I thi... Jan 9 2006, 11:24 PM

tedstryk Here is a Venera 14 compilation. I can't get ... Jan 10 2006, 02:43 AM
JRehling QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jan 9 2006, 03:12 PM)I thin... Jan 10 2006, 03:04 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 10 2006, 03:04 AM)Vener... Jan 10 2006, 03:16 AM
tedstryk Here is the completed version of that set. Becaus... Jan 10 2006, 05:02 AM
RNeuhaus I think that the dust is the product of desintegra... Jan 9 2006, 09:22 PM
JRehling QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jan 9 2006, 01:22 PM)So, Ve... Jan 9 2006, 10:14 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 9 2006, 05:14 PM)I... Jan 10 2006, 04:24 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jan 10 2006, 11:24 AM)You a... Jan 10 2006, 04:26 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 10 2006, 11:26 AM)I ... Jan 10 2006, 04:57 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jan 10 2006, 11:57 AM)Why s... Jan 10 2006, 07:30 PM
tedstryk Here are two more shots. An improved horizon pan:... Jan 11 2006, 02:49 PM
paxdan Looks to me that if you flipped the rock over it m... Jan 11 2006, 04:02 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (paxdan @ Jan 11 2006, 04:02 PM)Looks t... Jan 11 2006, 04:35 PM
BruceMoomaw The consensus now is that what we're seeing in... Jan 10 2006, 03:01 AM
tasp { I hope I phrase this well enough }
Does any one... Jan 10 2006, 06:30 PM
JRehling QUOTE (tasp @ Jan 10 2006, 10:30 AM){ I hope ... Jan 10 2006, 06:50 PM
Michael Capobianco Does anyone else remember the "fact" tha... Jan 11 2006, 05:00 PM
Toma B I heard about refraction in Venusian atmosphere...... Jan 11 2006, 05:13 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 11 2006, 05:13 PM)I heard... Jan 11 2006, 05:41 PM
helvick QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 11 2006, 06:13 PM)I heard... Jan 11 2006, 06:43 PM
JRehling QUOTE (helvick @ Jan 11 2006, 10:43 AM)All in... Jan 11 2006, 07:06 PM
ljk4-1 Don Dixon made some paintings of the alleged super... Jan 11 2006, 07:20 PM
Toma B QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 11 2006, 10:20 PM)Do... Jan 11 2006, 07:27 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 11 2006, 02:27 PM)...but ... Jan 11 2006, 07:29 PM
ljk4-1 Soviet Veneras and Mars: first entry probes trajec... Jan 23 2006, 05:08 PM
tedstryk Great find! I had seen the Mars 6 stuff in an... Jan 23 2006, 06:07 PM
ljk4-1 Found this Soviet document from 1969 on their Vene... Jun 3 2006, 08:34 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jun 3 2006, 01:34 PM... Jun 4 2006, 03:13 AM
Rakhir Don,
your images are amazing !
Old Soviet... Sep 11 2006, 04:15 PM
dilo To many things are happening today...
These Vene... Sep 11 2006, 07:23 PM
Stu Congratulations on being featured on SPACE.com Don... Sep 11 2006, 10:10 PM
climber QUOTE (Stu @ Sep 12 2006, 12:10 AM) The o... Sep 11 2006, 11:17 PM
tedstryk Congratulations! It is great to see the image... Sep 11 2006, 11:52 PM
DonPMitchell Thanks guys. NBC picked up the story too (MSNBC).... Sep 11 2006, 11:58 PM
DFinfrock Don,
Those old Venera images were always apprecia... Sep 12 2006, 01:03 AM
DonPMitchell Thanks, it was an afterthought really, but I'm... Sep 12 2006, 01:28 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Sep 11 2006, 06:28 ... Sep 12 2006, 04:40 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 11 2006, 09:40 PM... Sep 12 2006, 06:26 AM
AndyG Well done, Don.
You've managed to make me bea... Sep 12 2006, 08:40 AM
dilo Don, my first attempt to produce vertical/polar pr... Sep 12 2006, 11:01 AM

DonPMitchell The images were originally 800 x 600, and the sky ... Sep 12 2006, 11:42 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Sep 11 2006, 11:26 ... Sep 12 2006, 01:57 PM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 12 2006, 06:57 AM... Sep 12 2006, 03:56 PM
dvandorn Yes, thanks, Don! In particular, the "hi... Sep 12 2006, 02:26 AM
RNeuhaus I was delighted to see Don's Pictures. I could... Sep 12 2006, 03:01 AM
mars loon Don,
beautiful work. fantastic hills. I will now... Sep 12 2006, 12:15 PM
Myran You're in the news mr DonPMitchell. Sep 12 2006, 05:36 PM
Tayfun ึner A quicktime VR would be nice. Sep 12 2006, 06:21 PM![]() ![]() |
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