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Shoreline On Titan: Best Evidence Yet |
Sep 17 2005, 12:28 PM
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Best evidence yet
*...for a shoreline on Titan; they're calling it "dramatic." Area measures 1,060 by 106 miles. Is from Cassini radar, obtained during the latest flyby. Speculation continues regarding seepage of liquid from the ground/ground springs and/or rainfall. |
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Sep 20 2005, 06:43 PM
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Has anyone put forward a theory that some sort of chemical interaction may be taking place when liquid methane on the surface of Titan comes into contact with the complex hydrocarbons raining down from the atmosphere. Perhaps there is some sort of organic opaque film forming on top of liquid methane and this may be the reason Cassini cannot see the specular glints from the oceans and lakes.
I posted this idea because I really am having a hard time grasping that the dark deposits are dried up mud flats from particulates being washed from the high surface into the low areas. If this would be the case - the dark particulates would be seen only in the dried up playas and intermittently filled streambeds. These dark particulates are also seen in the short channels that are most likely caused by powerful springs that are presumably still active. These channels should be light colored at the bottom and not dark due to the constant running of the methane springs. Also, The ice pebbles surrounding the lander were very rounded, light colored and clean (without a crust of dark hydrocarbon mud) which leads me to believe that they have been eroded by liquid (wave or streambed action) very recently. |
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Nov 1 2005, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (exoplanet @ Sep 20 2005, 11:43 AM) ... I posted this idea because I really am having a hard time grasping that the dark deposits are dried up mud flats from particulates being washed from the high surface into the low areas. If this would be the case - the dark particulates would be seen only in the dried up playas and intermittently filled streambeds. These dark particulates are also seen in the short channels that are most likely caused by powerful springs that are presumably still active. These channels should be light colored at the bottom and not dark due to the constant running of the methane springs. Also, The ice pebbles surrounding the lander were very rounded, light colored and clean (without a crust of dark hydrocarbon mud) which leads me to believe that they have been eroded by liquid (wave or streambed action) very recently. Agreed. I would expect to see chromographic banding, if dark organics are being washed by any solvent process - reverse phase or otherwise. I don't see any evidence of this. In the Great Basin of Utah/Nevada, the "bathtub ring" caused by a lake that dried up 10-20,000 years ago is very apparent in either radar or visual imaging. In southern Utah, the millenial old uplifted ocean bed responsible for Zion, Arches, and Canyonlands national parks demonstrate little if any of the shoreline evidence obvious in 'geologically current' features. Since the surface of Titan is relatively new, if we cannot find evidence of shoreline erosion, we should expect to find tetonic and volcanic activity. |
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Dec 6 2005, 06:29 AM
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Palomar Shoreline On Titan: Best Evidence Yet Sep 17 2005, 12:28 PM
David How does this square with previous assertions that... Sep 17 2005, 01:09 PM
4th rock from the sun The liquids aren't there now, but they were pr... Sep 17 2005, 02:37 PM
Jyril Dark area on the radar image suggests the ground m... Sep 17 2005, 05:19 PM
Cugel QUOTE (Jyril @ Sep 17 2005, 05:19 PM)Also, ra... Sep 18 2005, 12:20 AM
BruceMoomaw The solution to the apparent contradiction seems t... Sep 17 2005, 07:00 PM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 17 2005, 12:00 PM)Th... Sep 18 2005, 06:22 AM
imran QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 18 2005, 06:22 AM)The t... Sep 18 2005, 06:58 AM
Richard Trigaux A strong argument in favour of rare but heavy rain... Sep 18 2005, 07:17 AM
DFinfrock [COLOR=blue]As Bruce MoomMaw wrote in Post #10:
... Sep 20 2005, 02:34 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (DFinfrock @ Sep 20 2005, 02:34 AM)This... Sep 20 2005, 07:13 AM
BruceMoomaw The picture which is now forming pretty clearly of... Sep 18 2005, 10:31 AM
BruceMoomaw I've just found an article by Lorenz in the Ja... Sep 18 2005, 10:43 AM
BruceMoomaw Now, I HAVE found a clear reference to the fact th... Sep 18 2005, 10:50 AM
Richard Trigaux Thanks BruceMoomaw for the interesting discution a... Sep 18 2005, 07:38 PM
scalbers Haven't had a chance to do this yet with these... Sep 18 2005, 04:33 PM
David I don't really know that much about the scienc... Sep 18 2005, 05:43 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (David @ Sep 18 2005, 05:43 PM)I don... Sep 18 2005, 07:08 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Sep 18 2005, 08:08 P... Sep 18 2005, 07:39 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 18 2005, 07:39 PM)Richa... Sep 18 2005, 08:04 PM
BruceMoomaw David: Nobody is saying that the methane rain that... Sep 18 2005, 10:22 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 18 2005, 10:22 PM)Bu... Sep 20 2005, 07:32 AM
BruceMoomaw Yes, but in those situations water seeps into the ... Sep 20 2005, 11:31 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 20 2005, 11:31 AM)Ye... Sep 20 2005, 01:10 PM
BruceMoomaw Actually, I believe you're right -- on thinkin... Sep 20 2005, 03:05 PM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 20 2005, 08:05 AM)Bu... Sep 20 2005, 04:37 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 20 2005, 05:37 PM)Assum... Sep 20 2005, 04:48 PM
BruceMoomaw Note also that one of the most recent Cassini rada... Sep 20 2005, 03:12 PM
BruceMoomaw Robert Mitchell has recently told me flatly that i... Sep 20 2005, 05:19 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (imran @ Dec 6 2005, 06:29 AM)Just an a... Dec 6 2005, 07:22 AM
JRehling QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 5 2005, 11:22 PM... Dec 7 2005, 10:03 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (JRehling @ Dec 7 2005, 10:03 AM)I thin... Dec 8 2005, 08:38 AM
ljk4-1 The lighting levels are about right, supposedly Hu... Feb 17 2006, 03:21 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 8 2005, 12:3... Feb 17 2006, 05:31 PM
stevesliva From what elevation is that? Is the convex appear... Feb 20 2006, 08:31 PM
BruceMoomaw Not necessarily. First, the only spring channels ... Sep 20 2005, 11:52 PM
exoplanet Dear Bruce,
I honestly respect you opinion but I ... Sep 21 2005, 02:58 AM
BruceMoomaw "Titan rain should not have much force as it ... Sep 21 2005, 03:52 AM
exoplanet "Bar-Nun's lab simulations had indicated ... Sep 21 2005, 04:36 AM
BruceMoomaw In chronological order:
(2001) http://copernicus... Sep 21 2005, 11:41 PM
BruceMoomaw It isn't that the dark stuff falls out of the ... Dec 7 2005, 07:47 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 7 2005, 07:47 AM)It ... Dec 7 2005, 08:45 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 7 2005, 08:45 AM... Dec 7 2005, 02:02 PM
BruceMoomaw From Ralph Lorenz's very short abstract ... Mar 27 2006, 06:24 AM![]() ![]() |
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