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Water Flow On The Valley Floor!
SigurRosFan
post Sep 17 2005, 09:23 PM
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Original link: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/09/15/

Okay, okay. biggrin.gif It's only a FLOW of a SEA oF DUNES. tongue.gif



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post Sep 17 2005, 11:24 PM
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Oh, nonsense. Any Hoaglandite can see it's just the top of a giant earthworm.
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Bob Shaw
post Sep 17 2005, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 18 2005, 12:24 AM)
Oh, nonsense.  Any Hoaglandite can see it's just the top of a giant earthworm.
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Bruce:

It's not the, er, top, I'm afraid. That's a fully-growed sandworm in the advanced stages of the mating season... ...you should see the next frame!

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post Sep 18 2005, 03:41 AM
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You guys will have to admit that I did the colors really well. Been watching Tman's work.


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post Sep 18 2005, 07:23 AM
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Let us be serious: this image is not from mars it is from Arrakis, and it shows one of its famous sandworm.
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post Sep 18 2005, 08:40 AM
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Let us be not serious:
hearing you all speaking all the time about Hoagland I end up visiting his site, to make my own opinion.

It is very well done, in fact, with a professionnal design, charts and all, a certain scientific culture and vocabulary, and many true scientific references. It avoids to grossly distort the facts, just introducing a bit of mystery here, a bit of dogmatic scientists there, and when we discard his theories it is because we are establishment scientists unable to question our own theories, as really are some established scientists. But for a person with no scientific culture (or worse bad sci-fi culture) Hoagland's theories cannot be distinguished from true science!!

That amateurs or nutters question science in an absurd way, this is not new. But that "professionnals" with a certain scientific culture and abundant funding do this, it is much more disturbing.

"anomalies" are often based on subtle mistakes. For instance, years ago I heard of Bruce De Palma's "N machine" a kind of dynamo with a conductive plate rotating together with a cylindrical magnet, and which, after known electrodynamics theories, produces no current. However De Palma stated that it produced "free energy" and this was ignored because scientists would be a bunch of dogmatic believers. Who was right? To settle the question, I built myself a "N machine". And it produced a current... Was all our known physics just good to throw to the dust bin? No: the current was induced, not in the rotating plate, which was rotating together with the magnet, but in the peripheral brush, wich was fixed, and thus "rotating" relative to the magnet. I checked with a larger plate, placing the brush outsite the magnetic field, the current diappeared. And now, if somebody has any claim of a "free energy" machine or the like, I fully support him... as soon as he brings me a working model.

Many people with no scientific culture are fundamentally unable to distinguish hoaglandites from true science, and thus fall victim of such false theories, and uselessly lose confidence into scientists and governments.

But the most subtle victims are true anomalies (I mean facts which remain unexplained by thorough examination with known science and history). One of such anomalies which has its own thread on this forum is the Pioneer anomaly. There are also some UFO cases which remained unexplained despites serious examination by professional scientists. There are others which are out of the topic of this forum.

In a good science spirit, when a theory is well established, then the anomalies are the priority spots to examine, because only anomalies bear the potential of new discoveries. Well known example of this are the "absurd" result of the Michelson Morley experiment, which led to Relativity, or the discovery of the cosmic background, or this student who tried to observe that strange radio beats in the sky against the advice of her masters...

But the first thing to do when we have an anomaly it to check out any common explanation. And the second thing to do would be to stop any babbling about this... Today, by the fault of Hoagland and his consorts, the persons interested in true anomalies must keep silent!!! And this is not the worse inconvenient of having two thirds of the world medias in the hands of only two persons.


Thanks SigurRosFan for this beautiful image, showing what is very probably an ancient flow channel, filled with alluvial sand which later took the shape of dunes.
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- SigurRosFan   Water Flow On The Valley Floor!   Sep 17 2005, 09:23 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   Are you sure about the dunes? I found the color v...   Sep 17 2005, 10:20 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Sep 17 2005, 11:20 PM)Ar...   Sep 17 2005, 10:24 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Oh, nonsense. Any Hoaglandite can see it's ju...   Sep 17 2005, 11:24 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 18 2005, 12:24 AM)Oh...   Sep 17 2005, 11:31 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   You guys will have to admit that I did the colors ...   Sep 18 2005, 03:41 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   Let us be serious: this image is not from mars it ...   Sep 18 2005, 07:23 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   Let us be not serious: hearing you all speaking al...   Sep 18 2005, 08:40 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   Richard: I am by nature and enthusiasm a heretic ...   Sep 18 2005, 12:00 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   Bob, I am very interested by all what is unexplain...   Sep 18 2005, 06:51 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   In any case, it can't possibly be a Sandworm. ...   Sep 18 2005, 09:38 PM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 18 2005, 02:38 PM)(P...   Sep 20 2005, 02:31 AM
- - edstrick   Bruce Moomaw: "....Why can't we have a f...   Sep 19 2005, 06:52 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Oh, yes, I'd forgotten about Nick. His status...   Sep 19 2005, 08:54 AM
|- - RGClark   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 19 2005, 08:54 AM).....   Sep 19 2005, 05:06 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 19 2005, 09:54 AM)By...   Sep 19 2005, 05:54 PM
- - edstrick   Dick was a good author, wrote a lot of trash, but ...   Sep 19 2005, 10:55 AM
|- - David   QUOTE Hollywood and the literary establishment has...   Sep 19 2005, 11:36 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 19 2005, 05:55 AM)Holly...   Sep 20 2005, 05:49 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Keep in mind that -- while Hollywood claims to reg...   Sep 19 2005, 12:43 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 19 2005, 07:43 AM)As...   Sep 20 2005, 06:09 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 20 2005, 06:09 PM)And a...   Sep 20 2005, 07:43 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (RGClark @ Sep 19 2005, 05:06 PM)Ok, yo...   Sep 20 2005, 02:57 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   "The process continues within SF fandom, at l...   Oct 5 2005, 11:15 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 6 2005, 12:15 AM)...   Oct 6 2005, 09:49 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Oct 6 2005, 09:49 AM)Bruce:...   Oct 6 2005, 10:02 PM
- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 6 2005, 11:02 PM)Yea...   Oct 6 2005, 10:17 PM


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