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Hyperion's Appearance, topic especially about this unique moon
RPascal
post Oct 2 2005, 12:01 AM
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The images of Hyperion are fascinating, and its appearance with the many dark crater bottoms and the very steep crater walls seems to be unique, never seen on any other Solar System body before (?). For this reason I wanted to start a special topic solely about Hyperion and the origin of its appearance here.
(By the way: phantastic mosaics and color images, Jason!)

In most discussions here I have read the idea, that the dark crater bottoms is material that slides down the steep crater walls after the volatile icy component has evaporated or sublimated away. But looking at the many images I could not find a single (small or large) crater in the dark material that would expose bright material beneath. Shouldn't we expect this? If the dark component would indeed be a more or less thin layer deposited on the crater bottoms one should find many small craters were this thin layer was blasted away by the impact.
Because of this, my impression is that the dark stuff is the material from inside Hyperion, exposed by impacts, and the bright material is the crust.
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post Oct 5 2005, 11:30 AM
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I suspect the perceived cone shape of the craters is due to the landslides visible in many of them. The landslides have buried the dark material in the outer part of the crater so it is only visible near the center or more often just on one side of the crater. The contrast makes the dark areas appear deeper than it actually is. Look at some of the high resolution images, the dark areas don't appear much lower than the surrounding bright areas in them.
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post Oct 18 2005, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE (alan @ Oct 5 2005, 06:30 AM)
I suspect the perceived cone shape of the craters is due to the landslides visible in many of them. The landslides have buried the dark material in the outer part of the crater so it is only visible near the center or more often just on one side of the crater. The contrast makes the dark areas appear deeper than it actually is. Look at some of the high resolution images, the dark areas don't appear much lower than the surrounding bright areas in them.
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It is strange that there is landslides on the world where the temperature never rises above than 0 centigrades...I don't think that Hyperion might have landslides since the ice is very hard and firm on their surfaces.

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post Oct 18 2005, 05:29 PM
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post Nov 4 2005, 02:54 AM
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I will go out on limb for this;

The dark stuff on Iapetus, is exactly the same dark stuff in the crater bottoms of Hyperion.

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Yep. Same stuff.

How......

Major impacts on Titan that exceed Edward Tellers criteria for blasting atmospheric materials into space (from the old H-bomb days) send methane and nitrogen to Hyperion and Iapetus via Saturn's magnetotail. As we have seen on Enceladus, even low grav objects can have some atmospheric retention capabilities. The gases persist in the deep holes of Hyperion, and are polymerized by solar radiation. In the case of Hyperion, the steep crater walls make a hot spot at the crater bottom whenever the sun is over head. Due to the chaotic rotation, the sun is eventually overhead everywhere on Hyperion.

On Iapetus, the long orbit period around Saturn implies a 'day' 40 days long. After Iapetus transits through the magnetotail of Saturn, the leading hemisphere is turning sunward and the photo- or thermo- chemical reaction processes the methane and nitrogen into dark brown goo. Same stuff in Titans atmosphere, aerosolized is orange, puddled, its dark brown. The spot is symetrical north and south due to the symetrical insolation of the surface. The trailing hemisphere doesn't develop the dark coating because the methane and nitrogen are lost to the void or used up in 40 days and when that side of Iapetus is exposed to the sun, no gas, no darkening.
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- RPascal   Hyperion's Appearance   Oct 2 2005, 12:01 AM
- - dvandorn   QUOTE (RPascal @ Oct 1 2005, 07:01 PM)...look...   Oct 2 2005, 03:39 AM
|- - RPascal   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 2 2005, 04:39 AM)... Th...   Oct 2 2005, 11:08 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   We're starting to hear from the science team t...   Oct 3 2005, 12:46 AM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Oct 3 2005, 01:19 PM
|- - RPascal   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 3 2005, 01:46 AM)We...   Oct 4 2005, 04:27 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Another problem with the solar heating model of Hy...   Oct 3 2005, 01:02 AM
- - Rob Pinnegar   It's a pity that Cassini didn't get a clos...   Oct 3 2005, 02:42 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Oct 3 2005, 02:42 PM)It...   Oct 3 2005, 09:50 PM
- - volcanopele   Just a thought for the day: Are all of you sure th...   Oct 3 2005, 05:34 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Oct 3 2005, 05:34 PM)Jus...   Oct 4 2005, 03:46 AM
|- - RPascal   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Oct 3 2005, 06:34 PM)Jus...   Oct 4 2005, 03:40 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (RPascal @ Oct 4 2005, 05:40 PM)With th...   Oct 4 2005, 04:00 PM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Oct 4 2005, 04:32 PM
|- - RPascal   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 4 2005, 05:32 PM)Compar...   Oct 10 2005, 04:12 PM
- - Bill Harris   The appearances of some of the Hyperion craters is...   Oct 4 2005, 09:27 AM
- - algorimancer   What intrigues me is that there are so many appare...   Oct 4 2005, 01:00 PM
- - alan   I suspect the perceived cone shape of the craters ...   Oct 5 2005, 11:30 AM
|- - RPascal   QUOTE (alan @ Oct 5 2005, 12:30 PM)I suspect ...   Oct 9 2005, 02:12 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (alan @ Oct 5 2005, 06:30 AM)I suspect ...   Oct 18 2005, 04:28 PM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Oct 18 2005, 05:29 PM
|- - tasp   I will go out on limb for this; The dark stuff on...   Nov 4 2005, 02:54 AM
|- - tasp   QUOTE (tasp @ Nov 3 2005, 08:54 PM) Major...   Feb 28 2006, 04:10 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   No. Take a look at the many obliquely-viewed Hype...   Oct 9 2005, 09:56 PM
|- - RPascal   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 9 2005, 10:56 PM)No....   Oct 10 2005, 03:51 PM
- - volcanopele   My thought of the day, and my thought for today as...   Oct 10 2005, 04:50 PM
- - RPascal   A Model for Hyperion For a better understanding c...   Oct 11 2005, 08:45 PM
|- - silylene   QUOTE (RPascal @ Oct 11 2005, 08:45 PM)A Mode...   Oct 17 2005, 02:37 AM
|- - RPascal   QUOTE (silylene @ Oct 17 2005, 03:37 AM)Not b...   Oct 18 2005, 04:06 PM
- - nprev   Interesting and plausible hypothesis, Tasp. Here i...   Dec 8 2005, 07:00 PM
- - Phil Stooke   "Note that many of the "craters" vi...   Dec 8 2005, 08:03 PM
|- - nprev   Could be...but even the ragged, non-spherical shap...   Dec 9 2005, 04:29 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Rough and Tumble Hyperion Summary - (Fri, 03 Feb ...   Feb 4 2006, 02:55 PM
- - Gsnorgathon   And if you liked the book, don't miss the movi...   Feb 4 2006, 10:07 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Feb 4 2006, 03:07 PM)And...   Feb 4 2006, 11:59 PM
|- - tasp   QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 4 2006, 05:59 PM)Nice...   Feb 5 2006, 06:54 AM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Feb 5 2006, 01:51 PM
- - nprev   It would be interesting to see if there is a well-...   Feb 5 2006, 09:22 AM
|- - tasp   QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 5 2006, 03:22 AM)It would ...   Feb 5 2006, 02:59 PM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Feb 9 2006, 08:43 PM
- - Phil Stooke   These pics of Hyperion just came down. I've e...   Feb 24 2006, 07:17 PM
- - ljk4-1   This recent paper claims that Hyperion looks the w...   Feb 24 2006, 09:40 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Based solely on the abstract, it doesn't reall...   Feb 25 2006, 12:07 AM


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