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Haskin Ridge, The Eastern Route Down to the Basin |
Oct 6 2005, 05:59 AM
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Now that we know where we are going, I thought we could use a topic about our future route. I hope that a few images will get the rover rolling - downhill.
BACKGROUND ------ From Steve Squyres Misson Update Octoberber 4, 2005 Extending eastward from the summit of Husband Hill is a broad ridge that we've named Haskin Ridge. It trends ENE from the summit, does a little dog-leg to the right, and then trends ESE for a bit. Right at the dog-leg there's a pretty steep step, which we're not certain we can get down. So we're going to descend the upper portion of the ridge, right to where the step is, and assess the situation. If we can see a safe route, then we'll continue down onto the lower portion of Haskin Ridge. ------ My Image of Haskin Ridge I tried to get the best image of Haskin ridge that was available, and this is a crop from a true color TIFF summit panorama, located on the the Cornell Pancam web site. I converted the tif file to a gif file to save some download time. Warning : File Size : 1.7 MB Cornell True Color Pan of Haskin Ridge Reference WEB page of Husband Hill Summit Panorama Warning: File Size : 80 MB !!!! Preliminary Spirit Pancam of "Husband Hill Summit" Panorama Jack PS If you can't see the "steep step" that Squyres mentions - try this orbital image. I believe that the "steep step" is the dark shadow cutting across the ridge that is located directly under the word CRATER. I think that it is also visible in the true color pancam image, but it is less obvious. Orbital View of Husband Hill and Basin |
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Oct 8 2005, 08:17 AM
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Oct 8 2005, 09:26 AM
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Sol621: the destination way in a 12 PanCam pictures stitch (more images are coming!):
-------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Oct 8 2005, 09:10 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 5-May 05 From: Mississippi (USA) Member No.: 379 |
QUOTE (dilo @ Oct 8 2005, 05:26 AM) Fantastic color panorama dilo! If there are any visible seams in that graphic - I didn't see them. With your permission I will keep that image on my hard drive. It should be useful for long baseline stereo, as we drop down toward the basin. Disregarding time and resources, IMHO we can never get to many images. No one image has the complete truth. For me, the MOC orbital images of are often difficult to correlate with the "ground truth" images. I created a long baseline animated gif of the NE basin, and then I spent hours trying to relate what I saw in the flicker, with what I saw in the MOC image. I did much of the work for my own curiosity, but in case anyone is interested, I will post my material here. Anyone trying this should probably have all three images open in browser windows for simplfied comparisons. Comparison of Orbital and "Ground Truth" Imagery for NE Basin 1st: Image Overview of Basin File size 365 kB I added some green lines to this image to draw your attention to some ridge-like features that are visible in all three images. The green lines are offset, and run parallel to the ridge features. The green lines do not cover the ridge features. MOC-OverviewBasin-with-lines.gif ---------- 2nd: SOL605 NAVCAM Crop of NE-Basin File size 344 kB I also added some green lines to this image to draw your attention to the ridge-like features that are visible in all three images. These green lines are also offset, and run parallel to the ridge features. The green lines do not cover the ridge features. 605-NAV-crop-NE-Basin-with-lines.gif --------- 3rd: Animated GIF of NE Basin File size 571 kB 582-605-NAV-Crop-NE-Basin-flicker.gif ---------- I really like this animated gif. I managed to achieve some 3D effects with Ramon Hill, at a distance of about a kilometer. You should not consider my flicker gif's to be scientifically accurate. The separation of long baseline images is unknown, and I don't pretend to understand what I am doing when I register the images. Since I don't fully understand the process, I can only act on the results. Jack |
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Oct 9 2005, 08:06 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
Nice job, stewjack (I'm happy you like my panorama!).
About your patient identification work, baseline between Sol605 and 621 should be close to 25m (based on last route map) and is roughly perpendicular to the line of sight of these images (best parallax condition)... -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Oct 10 2005, 03:59 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 5-May 05 From: Mississippi (USA) Member No.: 379 |
QUOTE (dilo @ Oct 9 2005, 04:06 PM) Nice job, stewjack (I'm happy you like my panorama!). About your patient identification work, baseline between Sol605 and 621 should be close to 25m (based on last route map) and is roughly perpendicular to the line of sight of these images (best parallax condition)... 25 meters is "terrain eyes," while the 30 centimeters, that I have heard is the separation between the L & R navcams, are only "rock eyes." The only strong conclusion of my "identification work," is that orbital imaging should be used with caution. Particularly by amateurs such as myself. There are many apparent similarities, but also some apparent differences. I am changing the subject slightly, but not completely, because this terrain feature was the first one that I noticed was not visible in orbital images. I have some imagery of terrain, just outside of the western rim of the basin. I was planning on working with that terrain, before I learned that spirit is taking the eastern route down the hill. Those image files are now going into storage, but I don't know what to call that terrain. My memory suggests "rough" or "etched" terrain. If you, or anyone reading this, knows what I am talking about, and knows a standard name, I can label my graphic files usefully. The terrain has a "frothy" or "choppy" appearance to my eye. I know that this terrain was mentioned more than once by Steve Squyres, but I can't locate it in his mission updates, and I can't search for more information without a name! Jack |
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Oct 10 2005, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (stewjack @ Oct 10 2005, 05:59 AM) The only strong conclusion of my "identification work," is that orbital imaging should be used with caution. Agree with you, and would like to remind everybody about another point. MOC imagery that has been used here is in some cases NOT map-projected. Simply crops of the same pictures E03-00012 and/or R02-00357 available from e.g. MSSS website. The scale of those images is not the same in the x and in the y axis (the aspect ratio is not 1) so any distance and/or heading measurements based on them without taking into account such ratio would be bogus. For instance, this image (R02-00357) has a resolution of 2.98 m/pix on the x axis but also a pixel aspect ratio of 1.5, meaning that the resolution on the y axis is 4.47 m/pix. Edited: Here below is a portion of that picture, covering Columbia Hills. The first image is a simple 1024x1024 crop of the MOC picture, while the second was corrected to have the same resolution on both axis. |
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Oct 10 2005, 09:41 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 5-May 05 From: Mississippi (USA) Member No.: 379 |
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Oct 10 2005, 05:28 AM) Agree with you, and would like to remind everybody about another point. MOC imagery that has been used here is in some cases NOT map-projected. Simply crops of the same pictures E03-00012 and/or R02-00357 available from e.g. MSSS website. The scale of those images is not the same in the x and in the y axis (the aspect ratio is not 1) so any distance and/or heading measurements based on them without taking into account such ratio would be bogus. WOW! And I thought I was being cautious when I used an official JPL image - with a meter bar! Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the meter-bar was accurate - but only for east - west measurements! MOC-OverviewBasin-with-lines.gif Jack |
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Oct 11 2005, 08:00 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 4280 Joined: 19-April 05 From: .br at .es Member No.: 253 |
QUOTE (stewjack @ Oct 10 2005, 11:41 PM) WOW! And I thought I was being cautious when I used an official JPL image - with a meter bar! ... MOC-OverviewBasin-with-lines.gif Jack Official JPL image? Don't think so. |
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stewjack Haskin Ridge Oct 6 2005, 05:59 AM
jamescanvin Good idea to get a new thread running for the dece... Oct 6 2005, 06:28 AM
jamescanvin After re-reading your post I think we may be disag... Oct 6 2005, 06:59 AM
stewjack QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Oct 6 2005, 02:59 AM)Aft... Oct 6 2005, 03:10 PM
odave I'm not sure what OS you're running, but a... Oct 6 2005, 03:27 PM
stewjack QUOTE (odave @ Oct 6 2005, 11:27 AM)I'm n... Oct 7 2005, 05:02 AM
Bill Harris Thanks, James, for your pan. My first thought, af... Oct 6 2005, 07:31 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 6 2005, 05:31 PM)Tha... Oct 7 2005, 12:23 AM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Oct 7 2005, 12:23 AM)I h... Oct 7 2005, 03:03 AM
jvandriel Here is the beginning of the route down to Haskin ... Oct 6 2005, 07:57 AM
Tesheiner Does anybody know if there is any cProto image cov... Oct 6 2005, 09:10 AM
SigurRosFan R1502643
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004... Oct 6 2005, 09:26 AM
Tesheiner No luck.
Taking R1502643 as reference the hills... Oct 6 2005, 09:57 AM
Phillip I googled "Haskin" and based on the sear... Oct 6 2005, 06:40 PM
odave I did some digging around and found this image fro... Oct 6 2005, 07:10 PM
aldo12xu Have a look at some of the stereo images with elev... Oct 6 2005, 11:54 PM
jamescanvin QUOTE (aldo12xu @ Oct 7 2005, 09:54 AM)Have a... Oct 7 2005, 12:56 AM
Bill Harris I tend to run hot-and-cold on this path to Homepla... Oct 7 2005, 10:17 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 7 2005, 05:17 AM)I t... Oct 7 2005, 02:47 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 7 2005, 05:17 AM)I t... Oct 7 2005, 02:49 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 7 2005, 12:17 PM)Thi... Oct 7 2005, 03:12 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Oct 7 2005, 10:12 AM)That ... Oct 7 2005, 03:27 PM
general Some other points that have to be considered:
-The... Oct 7 2005, 03:53 PM
Bill Harris Tescheiner, your route is more feasible. I shoul... Oct 7 2005, 09:30 PM
Bob Shaw Bill:
Pah! 15 degrees? We don' need no... Oct 7 2005, 09:39 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 7 2005, 11:30 PM)Tes... Oct 8 2005, 07:44 PM
Cugel QUOTE (stewjack @ Oct 8 2005, 09:10 PM)582-60... Oct 9 2005, 12:36 AM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Oct 10 2005, 09:28 AM)
On... Oct 10 2005, 02:58 PM
stewjack QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Oct 11 2005, 04:00 AM)Offi... Oct 11 2005, 07:43 PM
Cugel Yes, but remember we went up during Martian winter... Oct 10 2005, 03:18 PM
djellison Def. not a JPL image - it's not corrected to b... Oct 11 2005, 08:50 AM
djellison WOW - that's really bad then. Tut tut - BAD PA... Oct 11 2005, 07:46 PM
SigurRosFan Tesheiner:
cPROTO resolution of the southern hil... Oct 12 2005, 01:16 PM
Tesheiner Thanks Nico,
I already new that one. Unfortunatel... Oct 12 2005, 01:37 PM
Burmese But it does cover the area they seem to be most in... Oct 12 2005, 01:50 PM
general Spirit has come down from Hillary, to start his jo... Oct 16 2005, 10:18 AM
Sunspot Here we go !!!
http://qt.explorato... Oct 16 2005, 06:47 PM
CosmicRocker I can't help but wonder, as we descend steep a... Oct 16 2005, 08:09 PM
mhoward I don't remember seeing the dark drifts northe... Oct 16 2005, 10:27 PM
john_s QUOTE (mhoward @ Oct 16 2005, 10:27 PM)I don... Oct 16 2005, 11:01 PM
CosmicRocker QUOTE (john_s @ Oct 16 2005, 05:01 PM)Cool... Oct 17 2005, 05:34 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Oct 17 2005, 12:34 AM).... Oct 18 2005, 06:58 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 18 2005, 01:58 AM)Most ... Oct 18 2005, 03:11 PM
Bill Harris I noticed those "dark patches" in a cou... Oct 17 2005, 09:25 AM
jvandriel A panoramic view down to Haskin Ridge.
Taken with... Oct 17 2005, 09:35 AM
abalone Looks like Spirit has started heading off down the... Oct 17 2005, 10:21 AM
djellison http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/doug_images/635... Oct 17 2005, 01:16 PM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 17 2005, 06:16 AM)
htt... Oct 18 2005, 03:20 AM
Tman Err I or comes the rim always a bit better visible... Oct 17 2005, 02:42 PM
Tman QUOTE (Tman @ Oct 17 2005, 04:42 PM)Err I or ... Oct 17 2005, 02:49 PM
Tesheiner From the current mission update webpage: http://ma... Oct 18 2005, 01:44 PM
djellison I tink 900 sols and 6000 m would be a major milest... Oct 18 2005, 02:54 PM
djellison There are smaller, similar-from-MOC-images patches... Oct 18 2005, 03:18 PM
djellison Another drive...
Before
http://qt.exploratorium.e... Oct 18 2005, 11:29 PM
jamescanvin QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 19 2005, 09:29 AM)Good... Oct 19 2005, 02:19 AM
Tesheiner QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 19 2005, 01:29 AM)You ... Oct 19 2005, 12:08 PM
RNeuhaus The land where Spirit will go down is considered ... Oct 19 2005, 02:38 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Oct 19 2005, 12:38 PM)The l... Oct 19 2005, 03:33 AM
ustrax Looking at this images it seems that the ridge can... Oct 19 2005, 09:32 AM

ustrax Forget the second image...The dot is not on the co... Oct 19 2005, 09:34 AM

abalone QUOTE (ustrax @ Oct 19 2005, 08:32 PM)Looking... Oct 19 2005, 11:16 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Oct 18 2005, 10:33 PM)Wh... Oct 19 2005, 01:39 PM
jamescanvin The upcoming Sol 638 should get us a bit closer. ... Oct 19 2005, 02:56 AM
djellison Ahh - THAT'S Haskin ridge, I thought it was so... Oct 19 2005, 02:53 PM
jamescanvin Just been looking at the images from Sol 637 again... Oct 20 2005, 01:51 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Oct 19 2005, 08:51 PM)Ju... Oct 20 2005, 01:41 PM
sattrackpro There could still be a drop-off ahead – but from t... Oct 20 2005, 02:25 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (sattrackpro @ Oct 20 2005, 12:25 PM)Th... Oct 20 2005, 03:03 AM
sattrackpro QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Oct 19 2005, 08:03 PM)..... Oct 20 2005, 03:44 AM
jamescanvin No better than the navcams really but attached is ... Oct 20 2005, 05:53 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Oct 20 2005, 03:53 PM)Wo... Oct 20 2005, 06:06 AM
Tesheiner QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Oct 20 2005, 07:53 AM)No... Oct 20 2005, 08:10 AM
jamescanvin I don't know If you'll be able to see this... Oct 20 2005, 06:38 AM
Tesheiner QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Oct 20 2005, 08:38 AM)I ... Oct 20 2005, 12:39 PM
jamescanvin Sol 638 drivve direction pan Oct 20 2005, 07:07 AM
jvandriel Spirit going down Husband Hill.
A last look at th... Oct 20 2005, 11:46 AM
jvandriel Spirit going down and looking to the left.
Taken ... Oct 20 2005, 11:53 AM
jvandriel Spirit going down and looking to the Right.
Taken... Oct 20 2005, 11:55 AM
jvandriel and a complete overview of Inner Basin and Haskin... Oct 20 2005, 11:58 AM
jvandriel A panoramic view of Haskin Ridge.
Taken with the ... Oct 20 2005, 12:35 PM
jvandriel After a few meters driving down Husband Hill, a n... Oct 20 2005, 12:42 PM
Tesheiner Nice pano Jvandriel!
Let me use it to extend o... Oct 20 2005, 12:55 PM
jvandriel Tesheiner,
I think you are right. The only place ... Oct 20 2005, 01:06 PM
sattrackpro QUOTE (jvandriel @ Oct 20 2005, 06:06 AM)Tesh... Oct 20 2005, 01:31 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (sattrackpro @ Oct 20 2005, 03:31 PM)I ... Oct 20 2005, 01:52 PM
RNeuhaus The attached picture is my path recommendation. Av... Oct 20 2005, 02:27 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Oct 20 2005, 04:27 PM)...... Oct 20 2005, 03:00 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Oct 20 2005, 10:00 AM)Rodo... Oct 20 2005, 03:11 PM
Burmese Looking back, the rover tracks look very peculiar.... Oct 20 2005, 04:18 PM
RNeuhaus Yes, I think it so.
I seems that this is not a g... Oct 20 2005, 04:27 PM
Tesheiner Burmese,
Looking that picture and also taking int... Oct 20 2005, 04:29 PM
odave Using jvandriel's navcam panorama and the usua... Oct 20 2005, 04:36 PM![]() ![]() |
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