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Oct 13 2005, 07:35 PM
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Spirit shot the night sky again on sol 632, but this time no sign of Phobos or Deimos.
This shot shows Orion. It's upside-down, for northern-hemisphere earthlings at least, but more fascinating is that the star trail direction differs markedly from what you see (anywhere!) on Earth, since Earth's and Mars' axes are well from parallel. It really is jarring to see, if you've ever shot star trails of Orion before! This shot shows a patch of Gemini, though it's harder to recognize. That's Castor, brightest star along the bottom edge, halfway from centre to right edge. Pollux is just out of frame. Any ideas what the goal is here, if not just to drain off some excess power? Would it be feasible to do a real circumpolar-style star shot, showing arcs around an alien celestial pole? For spirit, it'd be Mars' south celestial pole, 15 or so degrees above the southern horizon. A navcam shot could be quite dramatic, with the ghostly outline of McCool/Ramon hills and the south rim of Gusev underneath the alien startrails. I guess time is the problem - you'd need several minutes exposure at least to show arcs. But perhaps a series of 30 second shots, which could easily be combined digitally? Wishful thinking, perhaps, but then again if there's extra power to drain... |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE Does anyone know if the navcams are unfiltered, like L1? What is the focal ratio for the navcams? Here is an overview of the Rover instruments from the Cornell site: http://athena.cornell.edu/the_mission/instruments.html --Bill -------------------- |
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Oct 14 2005, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 14 2005, 04:47 PM) Here is an overview of the Rover instruments from the Cornell site: http://athena.cornell.edu/the_mission/instruments.html --Bill Thanks for the link, but no info on navcam there, which I guess is not considered an "instrument". I've had no luck googling. |
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Oct 15 2005, 05:34 AM
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There are a number of scholarly papers discussing the Rover instruments and engineering design, including the papers published in Journal of Geophysical Research special section "Mars Exploration Rover Mission and Landing Sites," vol. 108, no. 12, 2003. See http://anserver1.eprsl.wustl.edu/anteam/mera/mer_jgrref.htm for a table of contents for that issue.
The article you're looking for is probably Maki, J. N., et al., Mars Exploration Rover Engineering Cameras, J. Geophys. Res., 108(E12), 8071, doi:10.1029/2003JE002077, 2003. The abstract is [/URL]here. You can download the article from AGU for $9.00. I've had the issue in my hand; I can't remember where, but it was probably in the Astronomy Dep't library at Columbia (I live nearby). At one point in early 2004 I was able to track down quite a few of those pre-landing papers on the web for free, but I didn't save them all, and the ones I have are scattered around. (I'll check for the Maki paper.) The best single source was the syllabus page for a course in planetary geology taught at ASU by Professor Greeley, but that link is dead. [google, google] Look at this. It's a page with a live link to a 2001 paper on the engineering cameras. [google, google] Eureka! I found a live link to the Maki paper on Michael Lyle's Mars Rover Imagery page. http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/methods.html The same page also has a live link to the lead article from the December 11 special issue, Squyres, S. W., et al., Athena Mars rover science investigation, J. Geophys. Res., 108(E12), 8062, doi:10.1029/2003JE002121, 2003, and other interesting material. Cheers, TTT QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 14 2005, 02:03 PM)
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Oct 16 2005, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Oct 15 2005, 05:34 AM) Eureka! I found a live link to the Maki paper on Michael Lyle's Mars Rover Imagery page. http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/methods.html The same page also has a live link to the lead article from the December 11 special issue, Squyres, S. W., et al., Athena Mars rover science investigation, J. Geophys. Res., 108(E12), 8062, doi:10.1029/2003JE002121, 2003, and other interesting material. Cheers, TTT Thanks for the link! That paper indicates that in addition to the colour filters, the navcams use a 1.3 neutral density filter, which cuts the overall intensity by over 4 stops. This is fine for daytime imaging, but makes for a very slow astro-cam, as the sol 632 navcam shots show. It seems that L1 pancam is our best shot, and we'll have to ID meteors based on trail length, brightness, and perhaps intensity profile along trail. |
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fredk Spirit The Astrophotographer Oct 13 2005, 07:35 PM
djellison Well - they might be meteor watching, or alternati... Oct 13 2005, 07:43 PM
tfisher QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 13 2005, 03:43 PM)Well... Oct 13 2005, 08:03 PM
fredk I wondered about meteor watching, but yikes - how ... Oct 13 2005, 08:04 PM
djellison A comic ray hit doesnt tend to fade up and down do... Oct 13 2005, 08:06 PM
um3k QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 13 2005, 04:06 PM)A co... Oct 13 2005, 08:09 PM

ljk4-1 I hope the MER team isn't doing this late nigh... Oct 13 2005, 08:48 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (um3k @ Oct 13 2005, 08:09 PM)I suppose... Oct 14 2005, 10:02 AM

um3k QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 14 2005, 06:02 A... Oct 14 2005, 02:25 PM
Ames QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 13 2005, 09:06 PM)A co... Oct 13 2005, 11:20 PM
dilo QUOTE (Ames @ Oct 13 2005, 11:20 PM)And cosmi... Oct 14 2005, 06:16 AM
djellison Notice they actually caught M42
OK - I admit it,... Oct 13 2005, 10:14 PM
Sunspot Spirit on Meteor Watch
Sol Seq.Ver ETH ESF EDN E... Oct 13 2005, 10:36 PM
fredk QUOTE (Sunspot @ Oct 13 2005, 10:36 PM)Spirit... Oct 13 2005, 11:03 PM
Bill Harris This is a montage of Spirit's Orion image and ... Oct 14 2005, 01:34 AM
Vladimorka According to Starry Night, NCP of Mars is about 8 ... Oct 14 2005, 08:40 AM
Bill Harris Googled and found info on astronomy _on_ Mars:
ht... Oct 14 2005, 08:44 AM
Bill Harris Thanks, Vladimorka, that agrees with other info th... Oct 14 2005, 12:34 PM
fredk Well, I've answered my own question from reply... Oct 14 2005, 04:23 PM
slinted QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 14 2005, 08:23 AM)Since th... Oct 15 2005, 09:45 AM
djellison QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 16 2005, 12:00 AM)It seems... Nov 11 2005, 10:47 PM
fredk As someone who's shot the Persied and Leonid m... Oct 14 2005, 05:43 PM
paxdan Any thoughts on the feasibility of using using the... Oct 14 2005, 06:00 PM
slinted The Pancam website at Cornell now has a section (u... Nov 11 2005, 09:50 PM
Phil Stooke Well, it turns out Mars the crosses the Comet Hall... Nov 11 2005, 11:03 PM
Bob Shaw Earlier in this thread the question of meteor dyna... Nov 12 2005, 12:59 AM
helvick QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Nov 12 2005, 01:59 AM)I... Nov 12 2005, 11:47 AM
Bill Harris No expert here, but your thinking works for me. I... Nov 12 2005, 12:00 PM
dilo And now, beautiful lunar eclipse!
http://marsr... Nov 16 2005, 01:54 AM
odave QUOTE (dilo @ Nov 15 2005, 08:54 PM)BTW, astr... Nov 16 2005, 02:18 PM
paxdan Never got a reply to this, but could the PMA be us... Nov 16 2005, 02:59 PM
odave I guess it would be possible, assuming they can se... Nov 16 2005, 03:07 PM
SigurRosFan Great pictures! Is this the first lunar eclips... Nov 16 2005, 10:12 AM
Bill Harris Pleiades lower left, Hyades upper left.
Neat pix.... Nov 16 2005, 01:24 PM
Gonzz Since the rotation speed and direction are known c... Nov 18 2005, 06:31 PM
odave Yep - there's software out there now to de-rot... Nov 18 2005, 07:13 PM
hansvi Hello people, just joining in..
About the Nov 18 ... Nov 18 2005, 10:42 PM
dilo Welcome to the Forum, hansvi. I'm little disap... Nov 19 2005, 08:15 AM
MichaelT QUOTE (dilo @ Nov 19 2005, 08:15 AM)Welcome t... Nov 19 2005, 10:28 AM
hansvi QUOTE (dilo @ Nov 19 2005, 10:15 AM)Welcome t... Nov 21 2005, 02:26 AM
Sunspot This has got to be the first meteor seen on the su... Nov 19 2005, 06:10 PM
ljk4-1 Besides Earth, have the MERs tried to image any ot... Nov 19 2005, 06:37 PM
dilo Sorry, Sunspot, but one MER already pictured one ... Nov 19 2005, 07:49 PM
dilo FOUND!
http://space.com/scienceastronomy/05060... Nov 19 2005, 08:20 PM
mars loon QUOTE (dilo @ Nov 19 2005, 07:49 PM)Sorry, Su... Nov 19 2005, 08:22 PM
edstrick Mars Loon: "....and the first known meteorit... Nov 21 2005, 06:28 AM
mars loon Edstrick,
For context, here is the entire sentenc... Nov 21 2005, 02:11 PM
edstrick <grin> for the mad quibblers department....... Nov 22 2005, 09:08 AM
Bill Harris <grin^2> Those distinctions are becoming blu... Nov 22 2005, 09:21 AM![]() ![]() |
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