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Composition Of Outer Satellite Ices, What are Jupiter's moons made of? |
Oct 31 2005, 03:41 PM
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Paper: astro-ph/0510798
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:23:28 GMT (316kb) Title: Modeling the Jovian subnebula: II - Composition of regular satellites ices Authors: Olivier Mousis and Yann Alibert Comments: 9 pages, A&A, in press \\ We use the evolutionary turbulent model of Jupiter's subnebula described by Alibert et al. (2005a) to constrain the composition of ices incorporated in its regular icy satellites. We consider CO2, CO, CH4, N2, NH3, H2S, Ar, Kr, and Xe as the major volatile species existing in the gas-phase of the solar nebula. All these volatile species, except CO2 which crystallized as a pure condensate, are assumed to be trapped by H2O to form hydrates or clathrate hydrates in the solar nebula. Once condensed, these ices were incorporated into the growing planetesimals produced in the feeding zone of proto-Jupiter. Some of these solids then flowed from the solar nebula to the subnebula, and may have been accreted by the forming Jovian regular satellites. We show that ices embedded in solids entering at early epochs into the Jovian subdisk were all vaporized. This leads us to consider two different scenarios of regular icy satellites formation in order to estimate the composition of the ices they contain. In the first scenario, icy satellites were accreted from planetesimals that have been produced in Jupiter's feeding zone without further vaporization, whereas, in the second scenario, icy satellites were accreted from planetesimals produced in the Jovian subnebula. In this latter case, we study the evolution of carbon and nitrogen gas-phase chemistries in the Jovian subnebula and we show that the conversions of N2 to NH3, of CO to CO2, and of CO to CH4 were all inhibited in the major part of the subdisk. Finally, we assess the mass abundances of the major volatile species with respect to H2O in the interiors of the Jovian regular icy satellites. Our results are then compatible with the detection of CO2 on the surfaces of Callisto and Ganymede and with the presence of NH3 envisaged in subsurface oceans within Ganymede and Callisto. \\ ( http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0510798 , 316kb) -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Feb 6 2006, 01:45 AM
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There has already been a lot of interest in a solar-powered Trojan flyby mission -- maybe even one that flies by more than one Trojan -- which could very likely be made within the Discovery cost cap. Beth Ellen Clark of Cornell was associated with one such Discovery proposal called "Andromache", although it's hard to find anything on it.
But: there is also now a proposal floating around -- neat acronym and all -- to actually have a New Frontiers-class craft orbit one or maybe even two Trojans. It's called PARIS; it would use the new concept of a low-powered but long-duration ion drive powered by a particularly large 1-kilowatt RTG (which must use the new, more efficient future RTG designs to reduce its plutonium load); and there have already been at least two abstracts on it, the most recent being at http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2006/pdf/1922.pdf . (This new type of propulsion system is attracting increasing interest; it would apparently also allow a relatively low-cost giant planet orbiter which could do an awful lot of putt-putting around the planet's system of moons -- including orbiting one or more of them -- after the orbiter was initially braked into orbit around the planet by aerocapture.) |
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Feb 6 2006, 04:48 AM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 5 2006, 06:45 PM) There has already been a lot of interest in a solar-powered Trojan flyby mission -- maybe even one that flies by more than one Trojan -- which could very likely be made within the Discovery cost cap. Beth Ellen Clark of Cornell was associated with one such Discovery proposal called "Andromache", although it's hard to find anything on it.
But: there is also now a proposal floating around -- neat acronym and all -- to actually have a New Frontiers-class craft orbit one or maybe even two Trojans. It's called PARIS; it would use the new concept of a low-powered but long-duration ion drive powered by a particularly large 1-kilowatt RTG (which must use the new, more efficient future RTG designs to reduce its plutonium load); and there have already been at least two abstracts on it, the most recent being at http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2006/pdf/1922.pdf . (This new type of propulsion system is attracting increasing interest; it would apparently also allow a relatively low-cost giant planet orbiter which could do an awful lot of putt-putting around the planet's system of moons -- including orbiting one or more of them -- after the orbiter was initially braked into orbit around the planet by aerocapture.) Thanks, Bruce. Should've known that the planetary science community was all over it already...which is a good thing! -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Feb 17 2006, 04:26 PM
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Review: Europa, the Ocean Moon
Thu, 16 Feb 2006 - Our five senses are all we have to allow our brains to interact with the world outside our bodies. Space exploration relies almost entirely on one, the sense of sight. Space probes send us images of planets, moons and other objects which we then have to decipher as best we can. Richard Greenberg in his book Europa, The Ocean Moon uses recent images of Europa, together with our understanding of celestial mechanics and plate tectonics, to unravel this little moon's mysteries. For Europa's biggest mystery is whether it harbours life who may be looking right back at us from their own little world. http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/bo...on.html?1622006 -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Feb 19 2006, 05:39 PM
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Huh... Here's another review, from Mike Belton, leader of the Galileo Imaging Team.
Excerpts: The descriptions of how Greenberg developed, promoted, and defended his ideas is another significant part of the book and one that I find at times to be absurd, generally irreverent, and, in professional terms, possibly approaching suicidal. ... Paranoia is not a word to be used lightly, but there is much that I am certain is delusional in this aspect of the book. We see this even in the preface (though there similar instances throughout the book): “I never felt welcomed by the team… Then, when it became clear that my field was the key to understanding what we saw at Europa and evident how significant those discoveries were, attempts to keep me marginalized were driven by transparent social, political, and financial motives.” This is absurd. The book is filled with words and phrases like: “professional gladiators,” “powerful infighters,” “perverted definition of ‘team’,” “sycophantic,” “hustlers,” “enforcers,” “malignity, envy, and ignorance,” “locked out,” “pontificating,” “jealousy,” and “animosity.” Nowhere, as far as I can see, do the concepts on which the everyday world of our profession is based, that is, integrity, trust, and skeptical inquiry, get a fair shake. Even the players who are mentioned by name are stereotyped. Those who worked with the author are uniformly brilliant and insightful; those who question or raise opposing ideas are to one degree or another vilified. As I noted before: this is absurd.
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ljk4-1 Composition Of Outer Satellite Ices Oct 31 2005, 03:41 PM
ljk4-1 Astrophysics, abstract
astro-ph/0504649
From: Pa... Dec 15 2005, 04:30 PM
ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0602033
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 02:... Feb 3 2006, 04:08 PM
nprev QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 3 2006, 09:08 AM)Pap... Feb 5 2006, 12:10 AM
tasp QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 4 2006, 06:10 PM)Should th... Feb 5 2006, 06:45 AM
nprev QUOTE (tasp @ Feb 4 2006, 11:45 PM)A 'Daw... Feb 5 2006, 09:37 AM
tasp QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 5 2006, 03:37 AM)Yeah... Feb 5 2006, 02:49 PM
nprev QUOTE (tasp @ Feb 5 2006, 07:49 AM)A catchy a... Feb 5 2006, 10:12 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 5 2006, 11:12 PM)Okay... ... Feb 5 2006, 10:25 PM
lyford QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 5 2006, 02:25 PM)L... Feb 6 2006, 03:54 AM
BruceMoomaw Some JPL documents on the overall subject:
Trojan... Feb 6 2006, 01:54 AM
volcanopele Because I actually bought the book (what was I thi... Feb 19 2006, 06:07 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 19 2006, 06:07 P... Feb 19 2006, 09:36 PM
Decepticon Your hatred for Europa is bit disturbing.
Or is... Feb 19 2006, 06:53 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (Decepticon @ Feb 19 2006, 11:53 AM... Feb 20 2006, 09:03 PM
David QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 20 2006, 09:03 P... Feb 20 2006, 09:16 PM

volcanopele QUOTE (David @ Feb 20 2006, 02:16 PM) I... Feb 20 2006, 09:27 PM
JRehling QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 20 2006, 01:03 P... Feb 20 2006, 09:53 PM

RGClark QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 20 2006, 09:53 PM) ... Feb 22 2006, 04:33 PM

JRehling QUOTE (RGClark @ Feb 22 2006, 09:33 AM) J... May 4 2006, 08:18 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 20 2006, 04:03 P... Feb 21 2006, 08:21 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 21 2006, 01:21 P... Feb 21 2006, 08:48 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 21 2006, 03:48 P... Feb 22 2006, 04:39 PM
BruceMoomaw Bah. Jason just prefers orange stuff...
I imag... Feb 20 2006, 01:03 AM
ljk4-1 JOVIAN DREAMS
- New Recipe For Oxygen On Icy Moon... Mar 28 2006, 05:14 PM
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ljk4-1 Does the military (or a military) have the capabil... May 4 2006, 08:23 PM
helvick QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 4 2006, 09:23 PM... May 4 2006, 09:03 PM
tty Radio/radar through water is heavily dependent on ... May 5 2006, 06:44 AM
dvandorn I'm not so sure you would need any kind of art... May 5 2006, 07:37 PM
tty Yes, but you need a minimum of three seismometers ... May 5 2006, 07:45 PM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (tty @ May 5 2006, 01:45 PM) Yes, b... May 5 2006, 08:45 PM
ljk4-1 Did Galileo ever detect any surface shifts? Are c... May 5 2006, 07:50 PM
BruceMoomaw There's been a HUGE amount of discussion at sc... May 5 2006, 09:24 PM![]() ![]() |
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