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Nov 7 2005, 03:55 PM
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NASA Dawn Asteroid Mission Told To ‘Stand Down’ .
The decision to stand down, according to SPACE.com sources, appears related to budget-related measures and workforce cutbacks at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California. http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/051107_dawn_qown.html Rakhir |
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Nov 19 2005, 08:33 AM
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The trouble with blithely doing this for Dawn is that -- unlike the MERs -- it was accepted as the result of a competition in which one of the supposed central ground rules for the proposing teams is that you do NOT exceed the maximum possible cost that you stated in your proposal without getting cancelled. Allow a mission to seriously break this rule, and you open the gates of Hell: EVERY team will deliberately understate its mission's real cost, and then look innocently amazed when they tell you that they need lots more money than they thought, and that they're sure you'll provide it...
It may have been a mistake to decide to break this rule for Messenger, and in fact NASA did so only after considerable wrangling. They've already broken it much more seriously for Dawn -- they'll fly it, albeit delayed, even if it undergoes a cost cap overrun of fully 1/3. But no higher. Nor should they -- and maybe they shouldn't fly it even if the cost doesn't go that high. By the way, Kepler has also totally shattered its cost cap -- its cost is now $500 million. However, as Andy Dantzler told us, that's now the problem of the Universe Division -- which now has custody of the Kepler project, and which has already decided to adopt Kepler as a "Strategic" mission that is therefore immune from the Discovery cost-cancellation rule. |
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Rakhir NASA Dawn asteroid mission told to ‘stand down’ Nov 7 2005, 03:55 PM
Mariner9 I suspect the reason is both budgetary and technic... Nov 7 2005, 07:36 PM
BruceMoomaw Andy Dantzler said at the COMPLEX meeting that the... Nov 7 2005, 09:09 PM
gpurcell This mission has had nothing but problems. The ma... Nov 8 2005, 02:35 PM
BruceMoomaw The stand-down will last for at least three months... Nov 8 2005, 03:06 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 8 2005, 10:06 AM)The... Nov 8 2005, 04:25 PM
djellison QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 8 2005, 04:25 PM)Wha... Nov 8 2005, 10:14 PM
Marz QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 8 2005, 04:14 PM)To qu... Nov 8 2005, 10:23 PM
dvandorn After reading Squyres' "Roving Mars,... Nov 8 2005, 03:56 PM
mars loon QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 8 2005, 03:56 PM)After ... Nov 19 2005, 01:59 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, the trouble is that if you DON'T stick t... Nov 8 2005, 06:12 PM
Mariner9 The Discovery missiong cap of 350 million really d... Nov 8 2005, 06:33 PM
Mariner9 One last point: when I said "it sounds simpl... Nov 8 2005, 06:35 PM
BruceMoomaw Good news on the Discovery cost cap front: the Sen... Nov 9 2005, 10:41 AM
punkboi QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 9 2005, 03:41 AM)Goo... Nov 10 2005, 07:29 AM
BruceMoomaw It's at http://www.rules.house.gov/109/text/hr... Nov 10 2005, 08:07 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 10 2005, 03:07 AM)It... Nov 10 2005, 12:39 PM
BruceMoomaw It's a decidedly souped-up version with a much... Nov 10 2005, 01:06 PM
tedstryk I really hope this takes off. I mean, after New H... Nov 10 2005, 04:58 PM
ljk4-1 D A W N ' S E A R L Y L I G H T ... Nov 18 2005, 09:51 PM
BruceMoomaw Word now is that D-Day for the report on whether t... Nov 18 2005, 11:19 PM
mars loon QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 19 2005, 08:33 AM)Th... Nov 19 2005, 02:40 PM
gpurcell QUOTE (mars loon @ Nov 19 2005, 02:40 PM)Whil... Nov 19 2005, 05:11 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (gpurcell @ Nov 19 2005, 12:11 PM)Third... Nov 19 2005, 06:40 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (gpurcell @ Nov 19 2005, 05:11 PM)We ha... Nov 20 2005, 05:23 AM
Mariner9 A bit of history here. NASA tried in the 1980s t... Nov 20 2005, 08:16 AM
BruceMoomaw There sure is. To repeat: let ANY mission get awa... Nov 20 2005, 08:36 AM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 20 2005, 01:36 AM)Th... Nov 21 2005, 05:59 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 21 2005, 09:59 AM)Becau... Nov 21 2005, 07:24 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes Does anyone know how much DAWN saved, in dollar fi... Nov 21 2005, 05:43 PM
RNeuhaus New updates about the DAWN's proyect:
NASA D... Nov 22 2005, 01:31 AM
BPCooper NASA has marked the launch as no earlier than Nov.... Nov 23 2005, 10:03 PM
punkboi QUOTE (BPCooper @ Nov 23 2005, 03:03 PM)NASA ... Dec 5 2005, 10:14 PM
Decepticon From the current issue of Astronomy magazine.
I f... Dec 17 2005, 01:45 PM
mars loon QUOTE (Decepticon @ Dec 17 2005, 01:45 PM)Fro... Dec 18 2005, 05:52 AM
punkboi Wasn't today (1/20) the day NASA was gonna dec... Jan 21 2006, 12:35 AM
Sunspot Can't see anything on the Dawn website about i... Jan 21 2006, 10:07 AM
nprev QUOTE (Sunspot @ Jan 21 2006, 03:07 AM)Can... Jan 21 2006, 06:22 PM
Rakhir Dawn will not launch this year
http://www.space.... Jan 21 2006, 08:58 PM
punkboi QUOTE (Rakhir @ Jan 21 2006, 01:58 PM)Dawn wi... Jan 21 2006, 10:30 PM
BPCooper Disappointing news. And one less launch. Jan 22 2006, 03:14 AM
RNeuhaus Postponed due to technical problems with new techn... Jan 22 2006, 03:45 AM
gpurcell I suspect this project is done. Sound like there ... Jan 22 2006, 04:50 AM
SFJCody QUOTE (gpurcell @ Jan 22 2006, 04:50 AM)I sus... Jan 22 2006, 02:36 PM
nprev Does Dawn have Hall effect ion thrusters, or is th... Jan 22 2006, 07:03 AM
mchan QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 21 2006, 11:03 PM)Does Daw... Jan 22 2006, 07:44 AM
Decepticon Sadly I would even take a scaled down project with... Jan 22 2006, 02:39 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 22 2006, 03:39 PM)Sad... Jan 22 2006, 03:26 PM
Marz QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 22 2006, 09:26 AM)Yup. ... Jan 23 2006, 02:33 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Marz @ Jan 22 2006, 09:33 PM)I agree. ... Jan 24 2006, 02:50 AM
nprev Hmm. Anybody tight with anyone over at the Planeta... Jan 23 2006, 04:08 AM
punkboi QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 22 2006, 09:08 PM)Hmm. Any... Jan 23 2006, 05:31 AM
Rakhir QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 23 2006, 06:08 AM)Hmm. Any... Jan 23 2006, 12:28 PM
BruceMoomaw That possibility was discussed at the November COM... Jan 23 2006, 08:38 AM
gpurcell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 23 2006, 08:38 AM)I ... Jan 23 2006, 02:36 PM
JRehling QUOTE (gpurcell @ Jan 23 2006, 06:36 AM)Bruce... Jan 24 2006, 01:28 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 24 2006, 01:28 AM)At th... Jan 24 2006, 01:48 AM
Bjorn Jonsson QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 24 2006, 01:28 AM)A sad... Jan 24 2006, 10:57 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jan 24 2006, 02:57 PM)... Jan 25 2006, 02:59 AM
Bob Shaw I really hope that Dawn flies, and reasonably soon... Jan 25 2006, 09:07 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 25 2006, 02:59 AM)I als... Jan 25 2006, 04:58 PM
ljk4-1 DELTA ROCKET WORKERS SET TO VOTE ON ENDING STRIKE
... Jan 29 2006, 06:52 PM
Redstone NASA management is being briefed on Friday by the ... Jan 24 2006, 06:31 PM
BruceMoomaw I got a message yesterday from Chris Russell yeste... Jan 31 2006, 01:03 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 31 2006, 02:03 AM)Ch... Jan 31 2006, 10:25 AM
Decepticon QUOTE Bruce:
How do you think these statements co... Jan 31 2006, 01:51 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 31 2006, 02:51 PM)Cur... Jan 31 2006, 07:47 PM
BruceMoomaw I imagine that what Chris Russell is thinking of i... Jan 31 2006, 09:59 PM
mars loon QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 31 2006, 09:59 PM)I ... Feb 1 2006, 01:50 AM
peter59 This is incomprehensible to me. Dawn may be cancel... Feb 4 2006, 08:51 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (peter59 @ Feb 4 2006, 02:51 AM)This is... Feb 4 2006, 01:07 PM
gpurcell QUOTE (peter59 @ Feb 4 2006, 08:51 AM)This is... Feb 4 2006, 03:30 PM
nprev I sincerely hope that NASA will allocate the resou... Feb 4 2006, 09:01 AM
djellison DV - spot on.
Doug Feb 4 2006, 03:17 PM
BruceMoomaw Let me add, though, that all this is entirely sepa... Feb 5 2006, 07:32 PM
David QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 5 2006, 07:32 PM)Let... Feb 9 2006, 10:10 AM
BruceMoomaw You know, that might be a workable Solomonic solut... Feb 7 2006, 07:10 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 7 2006, 11:10 AM)Let... Feb 7 2006, 07:17 PM
BruceMoomaw Mike Caplinger says that this discussion has gotte... Feb 8 2006, 06:41 AM
Analyst Orbital, the company building the Dawn spacecraft,... Feb 9 2006, 11:13 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Analyst @ Feb 9 2006, 03:13 AM)Last ex... Feb 9 2006, 06:50 PM
ljk4-1 The following is quoted from the FPSPACE list:
Fr... Feb 9 2006, 10:15 PM
djellison QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Feb 9 2006, 10:15 PM)the... Feb 10 2006, 04:25 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 10 2006, 04:25 AM)As s... Feb 10 2006, 06:07 PM
djellison QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Feb 10 2006, 06:07 PM)... Feb 10 2006, 06:15 PM
BruceMoomaw That is exactly what Dantzler said at COMPLEX -- w... Feb 10 2006, 02:57 AM
gpurcell Like I said back in November:
QUOTE Now, I've... Feb 10 2006, 04:36 AM
AlexBlackwell Excerpt from the February 13, 2006, issue of Aviat... Feb 13 2006, 11:36 PM
AlexBlackwell NASAWatch/Spaceref is reporting that Dawn has been... Mar 2 2006, 11:43 PM
punkboi QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 2 2006, 03:43 ... Mar 3 2006, 04:52 AM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 2 2006, 05:43 ... Mar 3 2006, 06:07 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Mar 2 2006... Mar 3 2006, 06:16 AM
Decepticon !%#*(*&%! Mar 3 2006, 12:24 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (Decepticon @ Mar 3 2006, 11:24 AM)... Mar 3 2006, 12:57 AM
Decepticon I'm itching to see Ceres myself.
The only thi... Mar 3 2006, 04:12 AM
BruceMoomaw Hrmpph. Well, I can't say that cancelling a m... Mar 3 2006, 04:31 AM
gpurcell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 3 2006, 04:31 AM... Mar 3 2006, 04:45 AM
John M. Dollan I only know that I'm hugely dissapointed. I... Mar 3 2006, 05:58 AM![]() ![]() |
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