Uranus Orbiter, The other proposed ice-giant mission |
Uranus Orbiter, The other proposed ice-giant mission |
Nov 11 2005, 05:13 PM
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Since the Neptune Orbiter thread has started to veer into talking about a Uranus orbiter as well, it seemed like a good idea to start a topic for Uranus.
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Nov 27 2005, 10:00 AM
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Just keep in mind that -- because Pluto's gravity is so weak -- its atmosphere, thin though it is, towers up and up and up above the surface, with a huge scale height. In fact, there is speculation that some of it may get exchanged with Charon through tidal forces! High-altitude aerocapture in this situation is quite practical, if you have a moderately-sized ballute. (Ditto for Triton.)
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Nov 28 2005, 04:45 AM
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QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 27 2005, 04:00 AM) Just keep in mind that -- because Pluto's gravity is so weak -- its atmosphere, thin though it is, towers up and up and up above the surface, with a huge scale height. In fact, there is speculation that some of it may get exchanged with Charon through tidal forces! High-altitude aerocapture in this situation is quite practical, if you have a moderately-sized ballute. (Ditto for Triton.) I noted with interest in the referenced paper on the ballutes the one with a lens shape. If this is not an original idea with me, my apologies; could such a near disk shaped ballute be angled during decel ? That advantage might be that a craft could manuever during the deceleration phase. The force applied by the ballute to the craft would not have to pass through the center of mass of the craft. The effect would be usable lift. The decel phase could be prolonged at a higher altitude while the craft arced further around the target object. Regions that perhaps would not be accessable from the 'standard' ballute might be reachable with a steerable one. Should Pluto (or whatever) not be favorably aligned at arrival, this technique might still get you were you want to go. Perhaps the decel could start over the far side (as seen from earth) and wind up on the fore side for the actual landing phase. Another application might be (again using Pluto as an example) to enter the deceleration phase where convenient from the arrival trajectory, and manuver during decel and then exit the atmosphere on a path that leads to Charon (at a low enough speed that perhaps you could orbit or land there). An application at Triton might be to decel in its' atmosphere, but not so much as to be captured by it, and wind up in an orbit favorably inclined about Neptune. Aerocapture into Saturn orbit via ballute passage through Titan's atmosphere seems doable. Perhaps the manuvering technique would put the craft into an equatorial orbit about Saturn (for example) from a greater variety of incoming trajectory angles than any other technique? |
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Rob Pinnegar Uranus Orbiter Nov 11 2005, 05:13 PM
tasp QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Nov 11 2005, 11:13 AM)S... Nov 11 2005, 05:46 PM
tasp I admit a keen interest in Uranus. The mass ratio... Nov 11 2005, 06:08 PM
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tasp {In re the 20 year mission life at Uranus}
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BruceMoomaw Well, shucks, how can anybody not jump at a bargai... Nov 16 2005, 09:23 AM
BruceMoomaw The best way to orbit -- or land on -- either Plut... Nov 26 2005, 09:23 PM
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BruceMoomaw McRonald's best paper on the subject seems to ... Nov 27 2005, 03:17 AM
tasp QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 26 2005, 09:17 PM)Mc... Nov 27 2005, 03:58 AM
dvandorn The biggest problem with using steerable aerocaptu... Nov 29 2005, 02:32 PM
tasp QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 29 2005, 08:32 AM)Like ... Nov 29 2005, 03:38 PM
centsworth_II What about a small,simple atmospheric probe that w... Nov 29 2005, 05:49 PM
BruceMoomaw You don't need to grasp at straws -- Tasp... Nov 29 2005, 09:23 PM
BruceMoomaw The document for simulation tests for a Neptune or... Nov 30 2005, 08:29 AM
tasp QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 30 2005, 02:29 AM)Th... Nov 30 2005, 04:36 PM
vexgizmo An excuse to post in the oh-so-obscure Uranus Orbi... Feb 2 2006, 07:46 AM
JRehling QUOTE (tasp @ Nov 30 2005, 08:36 AM)Weird it ... Feb 2 2006, 05:30 PM
PhilHorzempa Time to re-start this thread. Thanks to Cassini, ... Apr 9 2007, 05:07 PM
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Cugel Let's not forget that at Neptune Triton would ... Apr 9 2007, 06:33 PM
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Cugel I stand corrected. I just wasn't following thi... Apr 10 2007, 12:12 AM
Greg Hullender Apparently the big reason to prefer Neptune to Ura... Apr 10 2007, 12:53 AM
dvandorn The other attraction of Triton is, of course, that... Apr 10 2007, 03:22 PM
JRehling QUOTE (dvandorn @ Apr 10 2007, 08:22 AM) ... Apr 10 2007, 05:37 PM
hendric QUOTE (JRehling @ Apr 10 2007, 12:37 PM) ... Apr 10 2007, 09:10 PM
Rob Pinnegar A couple of random thoughts in favour of Neptune o... Apr 11 2007, 03:28 PM
David QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Apr 11 2007, 03:28 ... Apr 25 2007, 01:28 AM
jsheff Don't forget that both of them have ring syste... Apr 21 2007, 08:42 PM
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Spirit What about building two identical probes and launc... Sep 22 2007, 11:45 AM
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djellison Sounds great! You paying?
Seriously - that... Sep 22 2007, 12:12 PM
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AscendingNode QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 22 2007, 11:14 AM) ... Sep 23 2007, 05:18 AM
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ugordan Regarding attitude-control propellant (i.e. monopr... Sep 23 2007, 10:41 AM
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brellis A mothership with a bunch of micro-landers would b... Sep 22 2007, 04:37 PM
djellison Whilst orbital mechanics dictate that sending Cass... Sep 23 2007, 05:21 PM
tasp I admit a burning desire for a Uranian orbiter (he... Sep 23 2007, 05:48 PM
djellison I think Neptune and Uranus orbiters are going to r... Sep 23 2007, 06:11 PM
mchan Will RTG power levels be sufficient to operate all... Sep 23 2007, 09:09 PM
tedstryk Well, 42 years, really. That's how long till ... Sep 24 2007, 10:11 AM
ugordan QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 24 2007, 12:11 PM) ... Sep 24 2007, 11:05 AM
tasp The Galileo style tour of the Uranian system is qu... Sep 24 2007, 12:51 PM
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JRehling I think one difficulty owing to the no-big-moon si... Sep 24 2007, 03:41 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 24 2007, 10:41 AM) ... Sep 24 2007, 04:32 PM
AscendingNode QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 24 2007, 08:41 AM) ... Sep 24 2007, 05:37 PM
JRehling Another consideration, a happy one, is that for th... Sep 25 2007, 02:46 PM
djellison The paper cited above actually discusses the plane... Sep 24 2007, 03:46 PM
nprev Infocat, I and others on the board have had variat... Sep 25 2007, 01:00 AM
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tasp Yeah, the Longuski paper describes a mission phase... Sep 25 2007, 02:19 AM
dvandorn Anyone have any charts handy telling us when we ha... Sep 25 2007, 05:51 AM
mchan To a first order, there can be Jupiter gravity ass... Sep 25 2007, 07:30 AM
Spirit Maybe we'll have another opportunity to flyby ... Sep 25 2007, 04:23 PM
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