Uranus Orbiter, The other proposed ice-giant mission |
Uranus Orbiter, The other proposed ice-giant mission |
Nov 11 2005, 05:13 PM
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Since the Neptune Orbiter thread has started to veer into talking about a Uranus orbiter as well, it seemed like a good idea to start a topic for Uranus.
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Nov 29 2005, 02:32 PM
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The biggest problem with using steerable aerocapture / landing trajectories is that you need to have a *very* good model of the atmosphere you're using to slow down with.
It's bad enough to have only a vague idea of the temperature/pressure profile of an atmosphere you're using to do straight-line drag braking. If you're designing into your spacecraft and trajectory a need for predictable changes in direction based on lift, *any* significant variation in the atmosphere's pressure, density and temperature profile from your model will result in completely different results. They're talking about needing a Mars orbiter for day-to-day monitoring of the upper atmosphere in order to successfully land future probes -- apparently, Mars' upper atmosphere was so much thinner and extended than predicted during Spirit's EDL that she was very nearly dashed against the surface a la Beagle II. Cassini is seeing that Titan's upper atmosphere also seems highly variable in pressure/altitude. So, in order to successfully use Titan aerobraking for a Saturn orbiter, you'd almost need to already have a working Saturn orbiter there to tell you the detail you need about Titan's atmosphere at that moment... Like many other elegant ideas, this one tends to fall apart when you look at it in greater detail. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Rob Pinnegar Uranus Orbiter Nov 11 2005, 05:13 PM
tasp QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Nov 11 2005, 11:13 AM)S... Nov 11 2005, 05:46 PM
tasp I admit a keen interest in Uranus. The mass ratio... Nov 11 2005, 06:08 PM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (tasp @ Nov 11 2005, 12:08 PM)Would Hub... Nov 11 2005, 07:15 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Nov 11 2005, 07:15 PM)T... Nov 11 2005, 07:59 PM
tasp QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Nov 11 2005, 01:59 PM)... Nov 12 2005, 02:21 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tasp @ Nov 12 2005, 02:21 PM)I'll ... Nov 15 2005, 06:15 PM
tasp {In re the 20 year mission life at Uranus}
I real... Nov 15 2005, 07:29 PM
Rob Pinnegar Yeah, thanks Alex -- that link was a good read. Ve... Nov 13 2005, 01:49 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Nov 13 2005, 01:49 AM)Y... Nov 15 2005, 06:01 PM
hendric QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Nov 15 2005, 12:01 PM)... Nov 16 2005, 08:54 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (hendric @ Nov 16 2005, 08:54 AM)For ... Nov 16 2005, 05:56 PM
tasp QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Nov 16 2005, 11:56 AM)... Nov 16 2005, 06:19 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tasp @ Nov 16 2005, 06:19 PM)I confess... Nov 23 2005, 01:49 AM
tasp Without incurring copyright snags, of course, coul... Nov 15 2005, 06:16 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tasp @ Nov 15 2005, 06:16 PM)Without i... Nov 15 2005, 06:34 PM
tasp QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Nov 15 2005, 12:34 PM)... Nov 26 2005, 02:27 PM
BruceMoomaw Orbiting Ariel would be a remarkable ending to thi... Nov 15 2005, 07:31 PM
Bob Shaw A long time ago (the early 1970s!), I suggeste... Nov 15 2005, 10:13 PM
BruceMoomaw Well, shucks, how can anybody not jump at a bargai... Nov 16 2005, 09:23 AM
BruceMoomaw The best way to orbit -- or land on -- either Plut... Nov 26 2005, 09:23 PM
tasp QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 26 2005, 03:23 PM)Th... Nov 27 2005, 01:15 AM
BruceMoomaw McRonald's best paper on the subject seems to ... Nov 27 2005, 03:17 AM
tasp QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 26 2005, 09:17 PM)Mc... Nov 27 2005, 03:58 AM
BruceMoomaw Just keep in mind that -- because Pluto's grav... Nov 27 2005, 10:00 AM
tasp QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 27 2005, 04:00 AM)Ju... Nov 28 2005, 04:45 AM
tasp QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 29 2005, 08:32 AM)Like ... Nov 29 2005, 03:38 PM
centsworth_II What about a small,simple atmospheric probe that w... Nov 29 2005, 05:49 PM
BruceMoomaw You don't need to grasp at straws -- Tasp... Nov 29 2005, 09:23 PM
BruceMoomaw The document for simulation tests for a Neptune or... Nov 30 2005, 08:29 AM
tasp QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 30 2005, 02:29 AM)Th... Nov 30 2005, 04:36 PM
vexgizmo An excuse to post in the oh-so-obscure Uranus Orbi... Feb 2 2006, 07:46 AM
JRehling QUOTE (tasp @ Nov 30 2005, 08:36 AM)Weird it ... Feb 2 2006, 05:30 PM
PhilHorzempa Time to re-start this thread. Thanks to Cassini, ... Apr 9 2007, 05:07 PM
JRehling QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Apr 9 2007, 10:07 A... Apr 10 2007, 03:02 PM
Cugel Let's not forget that at Neptune Triton would ... Apr 9 2007, 06:33 PM
PhilHorzempa QUOTE (Cugel @ Apr 9 2007, 02:33 PM) Let... Apr 9 2007, 08:52 PM
Cugel I stand corrected. I just wasn't following thi... Apr 10 2007, 12:12 AM
Greg Hullender Apparently the big reason to prefer Neptune to Ura... Apr 10 2007, 12:53 AM
dvandorn The other attraction of Triton is, of course, that... Apr 10 2007, 03:22 PM
JRehling QUOTE (dvandorn @ Apr 10 2007, 08:22 AM) ... Apr 10 2007, 05:37 PM
hendric QUOTE (JRehling @ Apr 10 2007, 12:37 PM) ... Apr 10 2007, 09:10 PM
Rob Pinnegar A couple of random thoughts in favour of Neptune o... Apr 11 2007, 03:28 PM
David QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Apr 11 2007, 03:28 ... Apr 25 2007, 01:28 AM
jsheff Don't forget that both of them have ring syste... Apr 21 2007, 08:42 PM
Jyril And don't forget Neptune's second largest ... Apr 22 2007, 05:08 PM
Spirit What about building two identical probes and launc... Sep 22 2007, 11:45 AM
infocat13 QUOTE (Spirit @ Sep 22 2007, 07:45 AM) Wh... Sep 24 2007, 10:45 PM
AscendingNode QUOTE (infocat13 @ Sep 24 2007, 03:45 PM)... Sep 25 2007, 12:12 AM
JRehling QUOTE (infocat13 @ Sep 24 2007, 03:45 PM)... Sep 25 2007, 05:03 AM
djellison Sounds great! You paying?
Seriously - that... Sep 22 2007, 12:12 PM
JRehling QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 22 2007, 05:12 AM)... Sep 22 2007, 06:14 PM
AscendingNode QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 22 2007, 11:14 AM) ... Sep 23 2007, 05:18 AM
JRehling QUOTE (AscendingNode @ Sep 22 2007, 10:18... Sep 23 2007, 05:56 AM
ugordan Regarding attitude-control propellant (i.e. monopr... Sep 23 2007, 10:41 AM
AscendingNode QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 22 2007, 10:56 PM) ... Sep 23 2007, 02:25 PM
ugordan QUOTE (AscendingNode @ Sep 23 2007, 04:25... Sep 23 2007, 03:00 PM
JRehling QUOTE (AscendingNode @ Sep 23 2007, 07:25... Sep 23 2007, 09:07 PM
brellis A mothership with a bunch of micro-landers would b... Sep 22 2007, 04:37 PM
djellison Whilst orbital mechanics dictate that sending Cass... Sep 23 2007, 05:21 PM
tasp I admit a burning desire for a Uranian orbiter (he... Sep 23 2007, 05:48 PM
djellison I think Neptune and Uranus orbiters are going to r... Sep 23 2007, 06:11 PM
mchan Will RTG power levels be sufficient to operate all... Sep 23 2007, 09:09 PM
tedstryk Well, 42 years, really. That's how long till ... Sep 24 2007, 10:11 AM
ugordan QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 24 2007, 12:11 PM) ... Sep 24 2007, 11:05 AM
tasp The Galileo style tour of the Uranian system is qu... Sep 24 2007, 12:51 PM
djellison QUOTE (tasp @ Sep 24 2007, 01:51 PM) A Ur... Sep 24 2007, 01:52 PM

AscendingNode QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 24 2007, 06:52 AM)... Sep 24 2007, 05:34 PM

djellison QUOTE (AscendingNode @ Sep 24 2007, 06:34... Sep 24 2007, 05:49 PM
JRehling I think one difficulty owing to the no-big-moon si... Sep 24 2007, 03:41 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 24 2007, 10:41 AM) ... Sep 24 2007, 04:32 PM
AscendingNode QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 24 2007, 08:41 AM) ... Sep 24 2007, 05:37 PM
JRehling Another consideration, a happy one, is that for th... Sep 25 2007, 02:46 PM
djellison The paper cited above actually discusses the plane... Sep 24 2007, 03:46 PM
nprev Infocat, I and others on the board have had variat... Sep 25 2007, 01:00 AM
brellis QUOTE requirements for planetary missions tend to ... Sep 25 2007, 01:30 AM
nprev QUOTE (brellis @ Sep 24 2007, 06:30 PM) I... Sep 25 2007, 03:40 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (nprev @ Sep 24 2007, 10:40 PM) ...... Sep 25 2007, 05:42 AM
brellis QUOTE (nprev @ Sep 24 2007, 08:40 PM) Can... Sep 25 2007, 08:42 AM
tasp Yeah, the Longuski paper describes a mission phase... Sep 25 2007, 02:19 AM
dvandorn Anyone have any charts handy telling us when we ha... Sep 25 2007, 05:51 AM
mchan To a first order, there can be Jupiter gravity ass... Sep 25 2007, 07:30 AM
Spirit Maybe we'll have another opportunity to flyby ... Sep 25 2007, 04:23 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Spirit @ Sep 25 2007, 09:23 AM) Ma... Sep 25 2007, 06:06 PM
algorimancer Perhaps slightly off-topic, but there have been se... Sep 25 2007, 07:45 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (algorimancer @ Sep 25 2007, 07:45 ... Sep 25 2007, 09:08 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 25 2007, 04:08 PM) ... Sep 26 2007, 12:37 PM![]() ![]() |
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