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Nov 20 2005, 06:49 AM
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What is going on with SETI@home? I have in the past, (like many of the other users of this board I suspect!) run the SETI@home screensaver on my computer. I ran it for about 4 years and then uninstalled it. Not because I was fed up with not having an ET directly send to me personally a big "HELLO THERE" message, but rather because I saw little in the way of actual science being done with the SETI results we volunteers were all producing and because there seemed to be no plan for any kind of endpoint of the project in the future.
I recall seeing in a 2000 edition of Scientific American a plot of the already searched parameter space by SETI@home and it looked like most of our galaxy was searched and found empty obviously, of "type I civilizations" and higher. (ah. found it) Now, its been 6 years since then and we've since viewed ~97% of the observable sky from Arecibo at least once since the start of the project (~86% at least twice). Why are there no papers published on this result? It IS a significant result even if its negative one. Were there SETI papers published that I've just not seen? The SETI and SETI@home web sites are of very little help when looking for actual peer reviewed published papers that the projects have produced. |
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Nov 20 2005, 04:51 PM
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SETI operating from Proxima centauri (the closest star) would not have detected Earth!!!!! Even if Earth-like civilizations are common, SETI still needs an increase in 1000 in sensitivity to have some chance to find a close one. This result weakens only very little the odds to find intelligent life. But not very much yet, it is not like finding 460°C at the surface of Venus, a simple figure which definitively and dramatically ousted all the dreams of finding luxurient jungles on Venus. The SETI result still lefts many possibilities open. It just tells us that what we imagined was wrong. If there is life out there, it is just not like we imagined. And it is very interesting to guess what could be their motives, their purposes, their values, even if, of course, this is still untestable in a scientific meaning. This is the process of thinking, and perhaps one day one of these speculations will prove useful or even true. I do not understand the pessimism of many science-minded people about finding life out there. In the beginning of the 19th century, it was understandable, as the mainstream hypothesis was that the planets formed at time of a close encounter of the Sun with another star, a much rare event which condemned the planet sytems to be only some in a galaxy. But today astrophysics and biology all show that the odds are hight to find life on many planets. So there is many reasons to be optimistic and few to be pessimistic. I think this pessimism has philosophical reasons more than science reasons. Life elsewhere is felt as threatening, its attitude and even its very existence are felt like a threat to our values, our ego or something of this kind. Or are we so afraid of being considered hoaglandites that we do not consider the possibility of another life form? Be reassured, the SETI institute does not deal with UFOs and abduction... |
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deglr6328 Seti And Particularly Seti@home Nov 20 2005, 06:49 AM
Richard Trigaux I think this is an interesting topic, and that it ... Nov 20 2005, 10:06 AM
helvick I'm also a lapsed SETI@home participant. I had... Nov 20 2005, 10:54 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (helvick @ Nov 20 2005, 10:54 AM)Richar... Nov 20 2005, 12:20 PM
David I'm going to add and consolidate some comments... Nov 20 2005, 03:00 PM
helvick Good comments David.
There are a couple of addit... Nov 20 2005, 03:51 PM
Rakhir QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Nov 20 2005, 08:49 AM)What... Nov 20 2005, 03:11 PM
deglr6328 QUOTE (David @ Nov 20 2005, 03:00 PM).....The... Nov 20 2005, 04:07 PM
David QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 20 2005, 04:51 P... Nov 20 2005, 05:23 PM
ElkGroveDan It's an interesting topic, but it doesn't ... Nov 20 2005, 04:56 PM
ElkGroveDan Do you guys realize the search terms that have bee... Nov 20 2005, 05:05 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Nov 20 2005, 12:05 PM)Do... Nov 21 2005, 06:25 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 21 2005, 06:25 PM)Wi... Nov 21 2005, 07:09 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Nov 21 2005, 07:09 PM)Th... Nov 21 2005, 07:49 PM


jamescanvin QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 22 2005, 06:49 A... Nov 22 2005, 02:56 AM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Nov 21 2005, 08:09 PM)Th... Nov 22 2005, 06:50 PM

David QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Nov 21 2005, 07:09 PM)Th... Nov 22 2005, 07:40 PM

elakdawalla QUOTE (David @ Nov 22 2005, 12:40 PM)Perhaps ... Nov 22 2005, 08:16 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 21 2005, 06:25 PM)Wi... Nov 21 2005, 07:18 PM
deglr6328 EG-Dan, while I share your apprehension about usin... Nov 21 2005, 01:21 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Nov 21 2005, 01:21 AM)EG-D... Nov 21 2005, 08:02 AM
Richard Trigaux deglr6328 and David, thank you for your replies. I... Nov 21 2005, 08:51 AM
edstrick Richard Trigaux: ".... Too small stars like ... Nov 21 2005, 01:18 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (edstrick @ Nov 21 2005, 01:18 PM)Richa... Nov 21 2005, 07:07 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 21 2005, 02:07 P... Nov 21 2005, 07:14 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 21 2005, 07:14 PM)Ha... Nov 21 2005, 07:33 PM
deglr6328 We probably should not be so quick to dismiss the ... Nov 22 2005, 01:35 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Nov 22 2005, 01:35 AM)We p... Nov 22 2005, 07:13 AM
ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0511583
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 2... Nov 22 2005, 02:28 PM
ljk4-1 I have been wondering whatever became of The Plane... Nov 22 2005, 04:23 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 22 2005, 09:23 AM)I ... Nov 22 2005, 06:41 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 22 2005, 01:41 PM)Hi... Nov 22 2005, 07:48 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 22 2005, 12:48 PM)Th... Nov 22 2005, 08:11 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 22 2005, 08:11 PM)Ch... Nov 22 2005, 08:28 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Nov 22 2005, 01:28 PM)Em... Nov 22 2005, 09:50 PM
Richard Trigaux What you say about science writing is very true, e... Nov 23 2005, 07:48 AM
dvandorn I can also really relate to Emily's discussion... Nov 23 2005, 04:16 PM
ljk4-1 SETI@home killed off ?
Placed in sarcophagus rise... Nov 28 2005, 06:32 PM
dvandorn Hmmm... upon reading this thread last week, I went... Nov 28 2005, 10:17 PM
Richard Trigaux What does this means?
If I understand well, the w... Nov 29 2005, 07:51 AM
jaredGalen QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 29 2005, 07:51 A... Nov 29 2005, 09:52 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (jaredGalen @ Nov 29 2005, 09:52 AM)It... Nov 29 2005, 10:29 AM
ljk4-1 Scientists, be on guard ... ET might be a maliciou... Nov 29 2005, 03:35 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 29 2005, 03:35 PM)Sc... Nov 29 2005, 09:51 PM
ljk4-1 At least one SETI group is working under the assum... Nov 29 2005, 10:19 PM
TheChemist QUOTE At least one SETI group is working under the... Nov 30 2005, 12:07 AM
Richard Trigaux WE can seriously consider that, in the assumption ... Nov 30 2005, 11:17 AM
lyford Of course, they would need a compatible operating ... Nov 30 2005, 06:54 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (lyford @ Nov 30 2005, 06:54 PM)Of cour... Nov 30 2005, 07:35 PM
lyford Well, it started OS independent - but with all the... Nov 30 2005, 09:45 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (lyford @ Nov 30 2005, 09:45 PM)Well, i... Dec 1 2005, 07:17 AM
lyford Richard, your points are all very good.
I am st... Dec 1 2005, 05:48 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (lyford @ Dec 1 2005, 05:48 PM)Richard,... Dec 1 2005, 06:55 PM

ljk4-1 SETI and Intelligent Design
http://www.space.com... Dec 1 2005, 09:44 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 1 2005, 09:44 PM)SET... Dec 2 2005, 09:27 AM

ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0512013
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 03... Dec 2 2005, 03:26 PM
Rakhir QUOTE (lyford @ Dec 1 2005, 07:48 PM)I think ... Dec 1 2005, 10:18 PM
Richard Trigaux This is interesting info. With this kind of data w... Dec 2 2005, 04:12 PM
chris QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 2 2005, 04:12 PM... Dec 2 2005, 04:37 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (chris @ Dec 2 2005, 04:37 PM)Richard,
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ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0512053
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:... Dec 5 2005, 04:23 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 5 2005, 04:23 PM)Pap... Dec 5 2005, 06:31 PM
tty QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 2 2005, 07:34 PM... Dec 13 2005, 07:03 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (tty @ Dec 13 2005, 07:03 PM)Actually I... Dec 13 2005, 07:46 PM
tty QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 13 2005, 09:46 P... Dec 13 2005, 09:54 PM
Richard Trigaux Another interesting use of these (future) result w... Dec 5 2005, 07:13 PM
ljk4-1 Review: Life as We Do Not Know It
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The nascen... Dec 12 2005, 03:10 PM
ljk4-1 The Call That Is Important To Us All
Leigh Dayto... Dec 12 2005, 03:41 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 12 2005, 03:41 PM)Th... Dec 13 2005, 08:11 PM

ljk4-1 QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 13 2005, 03:11 P... Dec 14 2005, 03:06 AM

ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0512291
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 1... Dec 14 2005, 05:06 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 14 2005, 05:06 AM)Pa... Dec 14 2005, 11:40 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 12 2005, 03:10 PM)Re... Dec 12 2005, 03:58 PM
ljk4-1 Paper (*cross-listing*): physics/0512062
Date: We... Dec 12 2005, 04:16 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 12 2005, 04:16 PM)Pa... Dec 12 2005, 05:11 PM

ljk4-1 National Geographic Channel - Monday, December 12,... Dec 12 2005, 07:55 PM
David QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 12 2005, 03:58 P... Dec 12 2005, 09:31 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (David @ Dec 12 2005, 09:31 PM)Octopode... Dec 13 2005, 07:32 PM
David QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 13 2005, 07:32 P... Dec 15 2005, 11:01 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (David @ Dec 15 2005, 11:01 AM)Surprisi... Dec 15 2005, 01:33 PM
ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0512371
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 1... Dec 15 2005, 04:26 PM

ljk4-1 Computer Security Expert Rejects Hacker Hypothesis... Dec 15 2005, 08:31 PM
David QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 15 2005, 01:33 P... Dec 16 2005, 02:59 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (David @ Dec 16 2005, 02:59 AM)That pre... Dec 16 2005, 08:40 AM
ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0512445
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17... Dec 19 2005, 06:08 PM

ljk4-1 MONDAY, DECEMBER 19, 2005 - NGC
Naked Science: ... Dec 19 2005, 08:11 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 19 2005, 06:08 PM)Pa... Dec 20 2005, 10:31 AM

ljk4-1 Partial Ingredients for DNA and Protein Found Arou... Dec 21 2005, 05:04 AM
tty QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 16 2005, 10:40 A... Dec 19 2005, 11:28 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (tty @ Dec 19 2005, 11:28 PM)Actually H... Dec 20 2005, 10:09 AM
David QUOTE Ward is famous—or perhaps infamous—for the 2... Dec 12 2005, 10:28 PM
edstrick One thing I have not seen much discussion of, at l... Dec 14 2005, 12:12 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 14 2005, 12:12 PM)One t... Dec 14 2005, 12:54 PM
ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0512221
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:... Dec 14 2005, 07:54 PM
ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0412356
replaced with revised ver... Dec 14 2005, 08:38 PM
deglr6328 I think its JUST a bit of a stretch to say that pa... Dec 21 2005, 06:02 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Dec 21 2005, 06:02 AM)I th... Dec 21 2005, 08:38 AM
Richard Trigaux Back to the idea of gamma ray bursts (GRB) able to... Dec 21 2005, 09:07 AM
ljk4-1 On December 15 former Senator William Proxmire of ... Dec 21 2005, 05:52 PM![]() ![]() |
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