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New Mars Express And Huygens Results, ESA conference - November 30, 2005
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post Nov 22 2005, 06:15 PM
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http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMA96ULWFE_index_0.html

Relating to Mars Express:

"At the same time, ESA’s Mars Express mission is continuing its investigations of Mars, painting a new picture of the 'red planet'. This includes the first ever probing below the surface of Mars, new geological clues with implications for the climate, newly-discovered surface and atmospheric features and, above all, traces of the presence of water on this world."
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deglr6328
post Nov 30 2005, 06:18 PM
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I have access to Nature.....Shall I do something naughty? cool.gif or will that merely cause headaches for Doug... in which case I obviously won't do it...
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post Nov 30 2005, 08:22 PM
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I was going to defend Nature's charging to view exclusive reports and data, but why do they charge, exactly? Is it because they provide a service by filtering out the 'bad' reports and data? Or is it just that magazines like Nature are obsolete in today's widely Internet-enabled world? Why don't these science teams just self-publish the data on some website they control?
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post Nov 30 2005, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE (mike @ Nov 30 2005, 12:22 PM)
I was going to defend Nature's charging to view exclusive reports and data, but why do they charge, exactly?  Is it because they provide a service by filtering out the 'bad' reports and data?  Or is it just that magazines like Nature are obsolete in today's widely Internet-enabled world?  Why don't these science teams just self-publish the data on some website they control?
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Two words: peer review. Anybody can publish anything on the Internet. And they do. smile.gif Publications like Science, Nature, the Journal of Geophysical Research, etc. separate the wheat from the chaff. When a paper is submitted, it is either rejected outright or sent out to other scientists in the same field for review. The reviewers make lots of comments on the paper and advise the publisher whether it should be considered for publication, or should be revised and resubmitted for a second review, or rejected. The original authors revise the paper and at length it may be accepted for publication. This process provides a seal of approval to published papers indicating that their arguments have been read and accepted as valid by a scientist's peers, and prevents a lot of junk from being published. Of course there are drawbacks as well; the process can take a long time (sometimes more than 2 years from initial submission to publication, though Nature and Science are much quicker), and of course it tends to punish radical new ideas. But what that means is that people have to come up with a rock-solid case to prove an extraordinary claim, and that's not necessarily bad. Having a paper published in a top journal is an incredibly important thing for a researcher's status in his or her field. The more refereed publications you have (as opposed to un-reviewed publications like abstracts presented at conferences), the more likely you are to be tenured, to be successful in grant applications, etc.

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- paulanderson   New Mars Express And Huygens Results   Nov 22 2005, 06:15 PM
- - RNeuhaus   Anyone will assist to the conference in Paris on N...   Nov 22 2005, 07:22 PM
- - paulanderson   Just a reminder that the press briefing is tomorro...   Nov 29 2005, 10:46 PM
- - SigurRosFan   http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Results_from_M...7ZTUL...   Nov 30 2005, 03:27 PM
- - Sunspot   PARIS -- The European Space Agency will unveil wid...   Nov 30 2005, 03:28 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I think there's a good chance that they're...   Nov 30 2005, 03:30 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Dammit, I wrote that just before seeing SigurdRosF...   Nov 30 2005, 03:31 PM
- - Marz   "If we look at today's evidence, the era ...   Nov 30 2005, 03:34 PM
- - tty   Note that clay minerals also occur in Meridiani, p...   Nov 30 2005, 05:43 PM
- - dvandorn   Doubtful that the underlying deposits at Meridiani...   Nov 30 2005, 05:49 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Radar Soundings of the Subsurface of Mars Picardi,...   Nov 30 2005, 06:00 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Nov 30 2005, 06:00 PM)...   Dec 8 2005, 06:50 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   The December 1, 2005, issue of Nature is now onlin...   Nov 30 2005, 06:15 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Nov 30 2005, 06:15 PM)...   Nov 30 2005, 06:46 PM
- - deglr6328   I have access to Nature.....Shall I do something n...   Nov 30 2005, 06:18 PM
|- - mike   I was going to defend Nature's charging to vie...   Nov 30 2005, 08:22 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (mike @ Nov 30 2005, 12:22 PM)I was goi...   Nov 30 2005, 08:33 PM
||- - JonClarke   Publishing in Nature achieves several things. Firs...   Nov 30 2005, 09:53 PM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (JonClarke @ Nov 30 2005, 01:53 PM)Most...   Nov 30 2005, 10:45 PM
|||- - JonClarke   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 30 2005, 10:45 PM)And...   Dec 1 2005, 08:01 AM
||- - helvick   QUOTE (JonClarke @ Nov 30 2005, 10:53 PM)...   Dec 1 2005, 10:31 PM
||- - JonClarke   QUOTE (helvick @ Dec 1 2005, 10:31 PM)+ much ...   Dec 2 2005, 01:07 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (mike @ Nov 30 2005, 09:22 PM)Why don...   Nov 30 2005, 08:46 PM
- - Phil Stooke   mcaplinger said: "I don't like it 'c...   Dec 1 2005, 03:57 AM
- - paulanderson   Getting back to today's results... As othe...   Dec 1 2005, 04:30 AM
- - RNeuhaus   About the title Radar reveals ice deep below Marti...   Dec 1 2005, 04:48 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I thought I remembered some earlier brief mentions...   Dec 2 2005, 08:01 AM
- - paulanderson   Re my contention about making the critical distinc...   Dec 6 2005, 05:54 PM
|- - JonClarke   I agree, there is a tendency to draw far reaching ...   Dec 6 2005, 11:19 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Since the ESA -- to my amazement -- seems to be se...   Dec 7 2005, 07:37 AM
|- - gpurcell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 7 2005, 07:37 AM)Sin...   Dec 7 2005, 02:10 PM
||- - ljk4-1   If they want to put human colonies on Mars, perhap...   Dec 7 2005, 02:55 PM
||- - JonClarke   QUOTE (gpurcell @ Dec 7 2005, 02:10 PM)So tha...   Dec 8 2005, 01:24 AM
|- - JonClarke   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 7 2005, 07:37 AM)Sin...   Dec 8 2005, 01:11 AM
|- - paulanderson   QUOTE (JonClarke @ Dec 7 2005, 05:11 PM)The p...   Dec 8 2005, 08:44 PM
|- - JonClarke   QUOTE (paulanderson @ Dec 8 2005, 08:44 PM)Wh...   Dec 9 2005, 03:21 AM
- - edstrick   Clearly, there needs to be close cooperation betwe...   Dec 7 2005, 08:26 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Well, keep in mind that the central goal of Martia...   Dec 7 2005, 01:58 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 7 2005, 08:58 AM)Wel...   Dec 7 2005, 02:58 PM
- - RNeuhaus   The above 4 mentioned sites of interest for ExoMar...   Dec 8 2005, 03:15 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Dec 8 2005, 04:15 PM)If MSL...   Dec 8 2005, 03:55 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (helvick @ Dec 8 2005, 03:55 PM)This pr...   Dec 8 2005, 09:32 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 8 2005, 10:32 PM)I w...   Dec 9 2005, 12:50 AM
- - edstrick   "Becquerel is an interesting spot though, it ...   Dec 9 2005, 09:19 AM
|- - JonClarke   QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 9 2005, 09:19 AM)...   Dec 11 2005, 02:57 AM
- - RNeuhaus   I have another concern on ExoMars telecommunicatio...   Dec 9 2005, 02:17 PM
- - djellison   Come '11, there will be MRO (almost certainly)...   Dec 9 2005, 02:38 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 9 2005, 02:38 PM)I agr...   Dec 9 2005, 03:58 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   This gives more reason to think that, if MRO fails...   Dec 10 2005, 06:32 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 10 2005, 06:32 AM)Th...   Dec 10 2005, 07:46 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 10 2005, 07:46 PM)...   Dec 14 2005, 04:26 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yes, poor McCleese must be feeling like Sisyphus a...   Dec 10 2005, 10:00 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (helvick @ Dec 8 2005, 03:55 PM)This pr...   Dec 11 2005, 02:36 AM
- - paulanderson   Another good clay article posted yesterday on Scie...   Dec 20 2005, 11:23 PM


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