Enceladus Plume Search, Nov. 27 |
Enceladus Plume Search, Nov. 27 |
Nov 24 2005, 04:01 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1061 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Columbus OH USA Member No.: 13 |
Interesting item in the science plan kernel (S16) just released to the NAIF website:
OBSERVATION_ID: S1629 SEQUENCE: S16 OBSERVATION_TITLE: Plume Search SCIENCE_OBJECTIVE: Hope to detect/observe plumes, whether from volcanic activity or geysers. OBS_DESCRIPTION: Point and stare. SUBSYSTEM: ISS PRIMARY_POINTING: ISS_NAC to Enceladus (0.0,5.0,0.0 deg. offset) REQUEST_ID: ISS_018EN_PLUMES001_PRIME REQUEST_TITLE: ENCELADUS Geyser/Plume Search REQ_DESCRIPTION: 1;ENCELADUS Geyser/Plume Search 1x1xNPp -- 3 different exposures BEGIN_TIME: 2005 NOV 27 19:00:00 UTC END_TIME: 2005 NOV 27 20:00:00 UTC -------------------- |
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Nov 29 2005, 11:55 AM
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I doubt there's enough parallax during the high-phase sequence to strongly constrain the plume's sources along the line of sight, but from postings in this thread, it's going to be pretty easy to see where lines of sight to plume bases cross the terminator and cross tiger stripes near the terminator. I very strongly suspect there are multiple vents along each of the tiger stripes, with most relatively weak. This seems to me to suggest that either there are relatively few extra-warm spots exposed within a stripe at one time, the hottest being discrete plume sources, or that a more active gysering source may be involved.
I can, however, imagine a vent with the hottest ice (with the highest vapor pressure) at the bottom, spewing upwards through a fissure or pipe, producing relatively collimated plumes like we seem to see in these pics. |
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Nov 29 2005, 12:16 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3534 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
Regarding the possibility of more intense Enceladus investigation during the (hopefully) extended mission, how long will it be until the south pole dips into years-long darkness?
I take it any extended mission will need focus on the south pole observations early on to ensure good coverage of the area while it's still receiving some sunlight. Might be interesting to repeatedly fly above the tiger stripes at a very low altitude and look for small changes in the fissures/try to locate the hotspots, at the same time sniffing out the plume materials to find out the composition of the heavier components. Optional gravitational passes could (as well as CIRS nighttime temperature mapping), of course, be carried out later on when the focus shifts on Titan flybys. -------------------- |
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Nov 29 2005, 02:18 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1061 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Columbus OH USA Member No.: 13 |
We're set for a Christmas rerun:
![]() The above is oriented with north pointing straight up. -------------------- |
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Nov 29 2005, 02:33 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3534 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
QUOTE (jmknapp @ Nov 29 2005, 03:18 PM) That's practically the same viewing geometry, it should really provide clues to the temporal variability of the outgassing. The February images seem to show a slightly weaker outgassing effect, possibly due to less favorable viewing conditions. I wonder whether we'll see even more violent plumes than now or their virtual absence... It would be a nice Christmas present to be there just as there's another major eruption like the one that was supposedly responsible for a large increase in oxygen atoms in the rings, detected prior to Cassini's arrival... -------------------- |
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Nov 29 2005, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 29 2005, 10:33 AM) That's practically the same viewing geometry, it should really provide clues to the temporal variability of the outgassing. I'm hoping that they take more images at different points during the flyby. The orientation of the crescent changes quite a lot during the flyby, & it's convincing to see that regardless of that orientation, the fountains remain at the purported location. For the Nov. 27 flyby, images were taken from 144,000 - 174,000 km. Taking the images at the extremes of this range, and rotating them so north is up yields: ![]() raw images: N00043446.jpg N00043428.jpg So the fountains remain due south as the crescent rotates around. It might be interesting to see how their appearance changes at more points during the Dec. 25 flyby, different solar phase angles, etc. -------------------- |
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jmknapp Enceladus Plume Search, Nov. 27 Nov 24 2005, 04:01 PM
jmknapp Here's the view of Enceladus during the plume ... Nov 26 2005, 11:02 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (jmknapp @ Nov 26 2005, 11:02 PM)Here... Nov 27 2005, 12:15 AM

David QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Nov 27 2005, 12:15 AM)Lo... Nov 28 2005, 11:54 PM
dilo Thanks for all these informations, jmknapp (also i... Nov 27 2005, 08:04 AM
jmknapp QUOTE (dilo @ Nov 27 2005, 04:04 AM)Really ho... Nov 27 2005, 02:13 PM
mgrodzki that is a nice image… not color right? and i assum... Nov 27 2005, 06:24 PM
dilo QUOTE (mgrodzki @ Nov 27 2005, 06:24 PM)that ... Nov 28 2005, 06:41 AM
Decepticon Images Up.
http://saturn1.jpl.nasa.gov/multimed... Nov 28 2005, 01:10 PM
SFJCody http://saturn1.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/ima...6/N00... Nov 28 2005, 01:29 PM
alan Possible plume? Doesn't look like a lens flare... Nov 28 2005, 01:31 PM
ugordan QUOTE (alan @ Nov 28 2005, 03:31 PM)Possible ... Nov 28 2005, 01:38 PM
Bjorn Jonsson This is the first time I see something like this t... Nov 28 2005, 01:49 PM
tedstryk I am at work, or I would do this myself, but someo... Nov 28 2005, 02:12 PM
Bjorn Jonsson QUOTE (tedstryk @ Nov 28 2005, 02:12 PM)I am ... Nov 28 2005, 02:18 PM
Decepticon Is there enough pics for a animation? Nov 28 2005, 02:14 PM
Mariner9 ohmygod!!!!!!!!... Nov 28 2005, 03:10 PM
Bill Harris Whew.
I'm not as up on the entire archive of ... Nov 28 2005, 03:21 PM
jmknapp Too bad there isn't plume evidence on the dark... Nov 28 2005, 03:27 PM
ugordan QUOTE (jmknapp @ Nov 28 2005, 05:27 PM)Too ba... Nov 28 2005, 03:32 PM

jmknapp QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 28 2005, 11:32 AM)Well, ... Nov 28 2005, 03:44 PM

ugordan QUOTE (jmknapp @ Nov 28 2005, 05:44 PM)But an... Nov 28 2005, 03:51 PM

jmknapp QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 28 2005, 11:51 AM)Why do... Nov 28 2005, 03:59 PM

tedstryk QUOTE (jmknapp @ Nov 28 2005, 03:59 PM)Not in... Nov 28 2005, 04:49 PM

jmknapp Here's a map of the south polar region, based ... Nov 28 2005, 05:56 PM


jmknapp Found this image of the south polar region (approx... Nov 28 2005, 06:41 PM


The Messenger QUOTE (jmknapp @ Nov 28 2005, 10:56 AM)Here... Nov 28 2005, 08:44 PM

scalbers QUOTE (tedstryk @ Nov 28 2005, 04:49 PM)I thi... Nov 28 2005, 08:17 PM

dilo QUOTE (tedstryk @ Nov 28 2005, 04:49 PM)I thi... Nov 28 2005, 09:03 PM
JRehling QUOTE (jmknapp @ Nov 28 2005, 07:27 AM)Too ba... Nov 28 2005, 03:35 PM
tasp What is the power source for this?
{Wild speculat... Nov 28 2005, 03:51 PM
Orlin Denkov In the title of this thread isn't it Enceladus... Nov 28 2005, 03:55 PM
volcanopele ^^ Fixed Nov 28 2005, 03:56 PM
The Messenger The source of the heat is truly perplexing. I hope... Nov 28 2005, 04:48 PM
tasp Maybe I am 'seeing' too much into your map... Nov 28 2005, 06:29 PM
canis_minor The features seen in these images are located at t... Nov 28 2005, 07:21 PM
Bill Harris The ridges and wrinkles in that region are a stron... Nov 28 2005, 07:37 PM
Bjorn Jonsson I'm attaching a rendering I did showing the vi... Nov 28 2005, 08:47 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Nov 28 2005, 04:47 PM)... Nov 28 2005, 10:01 PM
mars loon This news just released by CICLOPS website
... Nov 28 2005, 10:31 PM
volcanopele Special release for the Enceladus plume:
http://c... Nov 28 2005, 09:59 PM
ugordan QUOTE (volcanopele @ Nov 28 2005, 11:59 PM)Fo... Nov 29 2005, 08:07 AM
Sunspot What's also striking is how obvious the plumes... Nov 28 2005, 10:48 PM
mars loon QUOTE (Sunspot @ Nov 28 2005, 10:48 PM)What... Nov 28 2005, 11:29 PM
akuo Looking at the raws I noticed that the whole backg... Nov 28 2005, 11:29 PM
EccentricAnomaly The E-Ring is just such a donut of material around... Nov 29 2005, 12:44 AM
edstrick Regarding the plume images: Feb 20, I posted:
htt... Nov 29 2005, 07:50 AM
volcanopele QUOTE (edstrick @ Nov 29 2005, 12:50 AM)NOW..... Nov 29 2005, 07:30 PM
jmknapp One thing that strikes me in the CICLOPS press rel... Nov 29 2005, 08:08 PM
BruceMoomaw Crowing about one's foresight is bad manners, ... Nov 29 2005, 08:23 AM
edstrick (grins a bit toothily at Bruce Moomaw, canary feat... Nov 29 2005, 08:39 AM
Gsnorgathon Good for you, Ed! Crow all you like! (Actu... Nov 29 2005, 10:52 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 29 2005, 05:16 AM)Option... Nov 29 2005, 05:18 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 29 2005, 08:16 AM)Regard... Nov 30 2005, 01:59 AM
Omega Regarding possible artifact--
QUOTE Images of oth... Nov 29 2005, 05:53 PM
scalbers My guess is that the rays are actual streamers of ... Nov 29 2005, 08:44 PM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (scalbers @ Nov 29 2005, 02:44 PM)My gu... Nov 29 2005, 09:20 PM
Marz QUOTE (scalbers @ Nov 29 2005, 02:44 PM)Would... Nov 29 2005, 09:20 PM
JRehling QUOTE (scalbers @ Nov 29 2005, 12:44 PM)My gu... Nov 29 2005, 09:21 PM
tedstryk This makes me wonder about Europa, where high phas... Nov 29 2005, 11:44 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (jmknapp @ Nov 29 2005, 08:08 PM)If it ... Nov 30 2005, 03:00 AM
tedstryk Galileo came up cold, but Europa is much bigger, a... Nov 30 2005, 03:54 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 29 2005, 08:00 PM)..... Nov 30 2005, 04:34 AM
edstrick Various comments and responses:
Looking at jmknap... Nov 30 2005, 06:24 AM
jmknapp QUOTE (edstrick @ Nov 30 2005, 02:24 AM)Vario... Nov 30 2005, 01:24 PM

ugordan QUOTE (jmknapp @ Nov 30 2005, 02:24 PM)Intere... Nov 30 2005, 01:38 PM

jmknapp QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 30 2005, 09:38 AM)Of cou... Nov 30 2005, 04:48 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (edstrick @ Nov 29 2005, 11:24 PM)What ... Dec 1 2005, 03:17 AM
edstrick And, Oh... from the Utter Loonacy Department.
M... Nov 30 2005, 06:29 AM
Webscientist Astonishing news,
I'm really surprised to see ... Nov 30 2005, 09:36 AM
Bill Harris > from the Utter Loonacy Department...
Aye, Ca... Nov 30 2005, 10:42 AM
BruceMoomaw That last quote was actually a misinterpretation b... Dec 1 2005, 12:33 AM
mars loon QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 1 2005, 12:33 AM)Wha... Dec 1 2005, 12:48 AM
ugordan QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 1 2005, 01:33 AM)Wha... Dec 1 2005, 08:39 AM
jmknapp QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 30 2005, 08:33 PM)Th... Dec 1 2005, 12:23 PM
jmknapp Closeups of the tiger stripes are intriguing but a... Dec 1 2005, 01:08 PM
deglr6328 There is a second derivative of two ammonia absorp... Dec 1 2005, 09:14 AM
edstrick Ugordan: "....but haven't there been some... Dec 1 2005, 11:28 AM
dvandorn Based on the shadows, the sun is on the *right*...... Dec 1 2005, 01:14 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 1 2005, 09:14 AM)Based ... Dec 1 2005, 01:22 PM
ugordan QUOTE (jmknapp @ Dec 1 2005, 02:22 PM)So the ... Dec 1 2005, 02:04 PM
dvandorn In the context image, your point is clear... but g... Dec 1 2005, 02:18 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 1 2005, 10:18 AM)In the... Dec 1 2005, 02:40 PM
David Enceladus is the "shiniest" moon in the ... Dec 1 2005, 02:47 PM
ugordan QUOTE (David @ Dec 1 2005, 03:47 PM)Enceladus... Dec 1 2005, 02:55 PM
Bill Harris QUOTE (jmknapp @ Dec 1 2005, 08:40 AM)It... Dec 1 2005, 04:09 PM
tasp How fast are these plumes turning Enceladus inside... Dec 1 2005, 05:01 PM
ugordan QUOTE (tasp @ Dec 1 2005, 06:01 PM)Any chance... Dec 2 2005, 08:10 AM
dvandorn The question that comes to my mind is:
If "w... Dec 2 2005, 08:14 AM
jmknapp Interesting comments from Dr. Carolyn Porco:
... Dec 2 2005, 11:18 AM
ugordan QUOTE (jmknapp @ Dec 2 2005, 12:18 PM)Interes... Dec 2 2005, 11:50 AM
jmknapp QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 2 2005, 07:50 AM)So they... Dec 2 2005, 11:57 AM
ugordan Regarding the source of the heat, there is a relat... Dec 2 2005, 12:15 PM![]() ![]() |
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