Hayabusa - The Return To Earth, The voyage home |
Hayabusa - The Return To Earth, The voyage home |
Nov 28 2005, 03:08 PM
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...starting a new thread for Hayabusa's sampling feedback and the return voyage.
After its nail-biting success in November, will there be enough fuel for the Falcon to make it home? -------------------- --O'Dave
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Dec 20 2005, 09:31 AM
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Holder of the Two Leashes:
"...One other thing I don't understand, though, is what your whole point is. ..." I guess my points is that NEAR was the first of the Smaller, Cheaper, Faster, Better missions, but there is an ongoing debate on whether it was even good enough to accomplish what I thought was it's primary mission objective: determining whether S-type asteroids are or are not the parent bodies of ordinary chondrite meteorites. While the indications of a space-weathering modified surface were at least somewhat expected to cause potential problems in linking the two, the mission that was flown carried instruments that simply did not have the signal-to-noise ratio AND the resolution to clearly sort out what appear to be end-members of the weathering sequence. It was good, but like Boris, it wasn't good-enough. Where NEAR really shined is in photo-geology, where it mostly made up for it's dinky camera with scads and scads of images that can be mosaiced into global coverage, and revolutionized our understanding of geologic processes on asteroids. |
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Dec 20 2005, 04:43 PM
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Both missions were successful. Note that they were quite different operationally in that NEAR orbited Eros, while Hayabusa more or less "escorted" Itokawa, and so far as I have seen, ended up with mainly high phase angle images. Of course, this was part of the mission design.
I would think that in retrospect, one might try to emulate NEAR again staying rather close to the mission's goals/money ratio, whereas Hayabusa was a bit too far over the edge for a novel spacecraft... perhaps with legacy components a future mission could be as ambitious and as cheap, but clearly the mission had more than one failure to execute -- the blessing is that it suceeded in every way needed to produce good science. Was it by design or luck that the "optional" portions of the mission were the ones to fail? Contrast Nozomi, which had lots of systems operational, but the one that failed to execute meant no Mars encounter at all. NEAR had the advantage of treating Eros like it was a planet, but alternately easier (since light thrusters could perform the manuevers) and harder (strange gravity field made it). Hayabusa had a different challenge, and one felt as though it was awkwardly dancing with the asteroid. We can divide future asteroid missions between those that can orbit their worlds and those that must undertake many, frequent propulsive manuevers to execute. Given speed-of-light time, an autonomous system that was foolproof in gracefully dancing with its target would be a tremendous accomplishment. One accomplishment of Hayabusa was in showing us an entirely new kind of world, at the smallest-yet end of the spectrum, whereas Eros looks on the whole like Gaspra, and is not too different from Phobos, the first "small" world seen by spacecraft. In a sense, Hayabusa "finished" the size spectrum, because yet smaller "worlds" are likely to be boulder heaps like Hayabusa in every way but the reading on the tape measure -- Hayabusa is clearly at the point where gravity ceases to rework the "world" in any way except to hold it together and pool its dust. |
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odave Hayabusa - The Return To Earth Nov 28 2005, 03:08 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (odave @ Nov 28 2005, 03:08 PM)...start... Nov 28 2005, 03:16 PM
RNeuhaus Recent News from Matsuura Newspaper
2005.11.28
... Nov 28 2005, 09:56 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Nov 28 2005, 09:56 PM)This ... Nov 28 2005, 10:09 PM
RNeuhaus According to the article of the space.com. By Dece... Nov 28 2005, 10:18 PM
mike It would certainly be interesting if Hayabusa foll... Nov 28 2005, 10:38 PM
Joffan I'm not sure that sitting in Itokawa's sha... Nov 29 2005, 01:06 AM
mike Yeah, I remembered the solar panels need some sola... Nov 29 2005, 02:16 AM
Ishigame I would tell you some bad news…
JAXA says Hayabusa... Nov 29 2005, 08:04 AM
odave Good translation! Worrying news, though. The... Nov 29 2005, 03:40 PM
hugh QUOTE (odave @ Nov 29 2005, 03:40 PM)Kawaguch... Nov 30 2005, 12:40 PM
nop Sorry for multi-posting.
If your friends are work... Nov 29 2005, 04:51 PM
odave QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 29 2005, 01:44 PM fr... Nov 29 2005, 07:03 PM
Orlin Denkov QUOTE Probe returning to Earth after asteroid land... Nov 29 2005, 10:41 PM
TheChemist Probably not good things
There are two press r... Nov 29 2005, 11:09 PM
nop Dear 5thstar (if you read this forum), ljk4-1, oda... Nov 30 2005, 03:16 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (nop @ Nov 29 2005, 10:16 PM)Dear 5thst... Nov 30 2005, 04:00 AM
deglr6328 Grist for the Moomaw mill ...
This from the Nat... Dec 1 2005, 12:04 AM
BruceMoomaw Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Pride goeth before a l... Dec 1 2005, 12:35 AM
helvick Nice detailed update from Emily over at The Planet... Dec 1 2005, 12:48 AM
RNeuhaus Dramatic news extracted from Planetary.org:
At t... Dec 1 2005, 02:24 AM
mike If Hayabusa's thrusters persist in being only ... Dec 1 2005, 04:18 AM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (mike @ Dec 1 2005, 04:18 AM)If Hayabus... Dec 1 2005, 05:40 AM

ljk4-1 Would it be possible to send out a probe to snag H... Dec 2 2005, 07:53 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (mike @ Dec 1 2005, 05:18 AM)If Hayabus... Dec 2 2005, 08:34 PM
RNeuhaus There many options. Wait for a while until before ... Dec 2 2005, 08:31 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Dec 2 2005, 09:31 PM)There ... Dec 2 2005, 08:45 PM
odave 5thstar's blog has a few new Hayabusa updates.... Dec 3 2005, 02:06 PM
RogueEngineer QUOTE (odave @ Dec 3 2005, 11:06 PM)Hopefully... Dec 7 2005, 12:58 PM
BruceMoomaw Are they actually saying that they themselves acci... Dec 7 2005, 02:07 PM
RNeuhaus December 7, 2005 05:42 PM
According to the L/D of... Dec 7 2005, 02:31 PM
nop More translations have been added on the comment a... Dec 8 2005, 12:29 AM
Harder The Dec 8 update of the Y.M. Column is now online.... Dec 8 2005, 01:35 PM
odave From the above:
QUOTE During its operation Dr. Ku... Dec 8 2005, 02:48 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (odave @ Dec 8 2005, 02:48 PM)From the ... Dec 8 2005, 03:36 PM
odave QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 8 2005, 10:36 AM)I have... Dec 8 2005, 03:46 PM
odave Lots of good info in those new translations - the ... Dec 8 2005, 04:01 PM
ljk4-1 Status of the Hayabusa
... Dec 9 2005, 05:08 PM
RNeuhaus Hope that Hayabusa has a match fire on their side ... Dec 9 2005, 05:17 PM
The Messenger Since the xenon was not intended to be used as an ... Dec 9 2005, 07:11 PM
ljk4-1 FATE OF JAPAN'S TROUBLED ASTEROID PROBE UNCERT... Dec 12 2005, 08:03 PM
odave QUOTE (The Messenger @ Dec 9 2005, 02:11 PM)S... Dec 12 2005, 08:35 PM
amezz Press Conference about Hayabusa present status, wi... Dec 13 2005, 05:49 PM
elakdawalla Just added this to my blog, I thought I'd add ... Dec 13 2005, 11:44 PM
BruceMoomaw I very much doubt it will be around by then, and I... Dec 14 2005, 02:33 AM
ljk4-1 So - would another nation be willing and able to r... Dec 14 2005, 02:38 AM

amezz QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 14 2005, 06:38 AM)If... Dec 14 2005, 10:46 AM

ljk4-1 *** JAXA MAIL SERVICE ***
Japa... Dec 14 2005, 12:17 PM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (amezz @ Dec 14 2005, 11:46 AM)Yes... Dec 17 2005, 01:54 PM

MahFL "Except for the return element, Hayabusa has ... Dec 17 2005, 08:11 PM
lyford QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 13 2005, 06:33 PM)I ... Dec 14 2005, 03:17 AM
elakdawalla Shin-ya Matsuura's transcript is up in Japanes... Dec 14 2005, 02:40 AM
elakdawalla A cooperative translation project is taking place ... Dec 14 2005, 03:47 AM
lyford QUOTE If the ion engines are ignited again by the ... Dec 14 2005, 04:47 AM
lyford From the translation:
At first when I read the int... Dec 14 2005, 05:50 AM
nop English version of JAXA press release:
http://www.... Dec 14 2005, 12:18 PM
abalone QUOTE (nop @ Dec 14 2005, 11:18 PM)Guys, wait... Dec 14 2005, 12:28 PM
djellison All sounds a little bit Nozomi-ish really I just... Dec 14 2005, 12:45 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 14 2005, 07:45 AM)All ... Dec 14 2005, 05:11 PM
nop QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 15 2005, 02:11 AM)Sp... Dec 14 2005, 05:42 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (nop @ Dec 14 2005, 12:42 PM)Nozomi is ... Dec 14 2005, 06:09 PM
djellison It'd be cheaper, and the results would be bett... Dec 14 2005, 06:16 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 14 2005, 01:16 PM)It... Dec 14 2005, 07:11 PM
djellison QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 14 2005, 07:11 PM)So... Dec 14 2005, 08:30 PM
ljk4-1 Science/Astronomy:
* Asteroid Probe Yields Insigh... Dec 14 2005, 08:42 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 14 2005, 03:30 PM)Some... Dec 16 2005, 04:16 PM
RNeuhaus Indeed yes, but we are still with diaper in space ... Dec 14 2005, 06:25 PM
RNeuhaus Example for Hayabusa return starting in June 2007
... Dec 16 2005, 04:01 PM
nop QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Dec 17 2005, 01:01 AM)The q... Dec 16 2005, 05:28 PM
Phil Stooke ljk4-1 :
"QUOTE(djellison @ Dec 14 2005... Dec 16 2005, 06:42 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Dec 16 2005, 01:42 PM)lj... Dec 16 2005, 06:48 PM
edstrick The Hayabusa orbits plot is in sun-earth-fixed ROT... Dec 17 2005, 05:44 AM
deglr6328 Heathens! How dare you try to explain away Hay... Dec 17 2005, 08:52 AM
lyford QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Dec 17 2005, 12:52 AM)Heat... Dec 19 2005, 07:02 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, it did everything NEAR did on only about 2/3... Dec 17 2005, 09:18 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 17 2005, 10:18 PM)We... Dec 17 2005, 10:04 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 17 2005, 03:18 PM)We... Dec 18 2005, 02:05 AM

hugh QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Dec 18 200... Dec 19 2005, 12:30 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 17 2005, 09:18 PM)We... Dec 18 2005, 04:11 AM
odave And also remember that this is primarily an engine... Dec 18 2005, 08:13 PM
BruceMoomaw Let me amend: ALMOST everything. (Its best photos... Dec 18 2005, 03:11 AM
edstrick Hayabusa returned a huge amount of infrared spectr... Dec 19 2005, 07:00 AM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 19 2005, 01:00 AM)Hayab... Dec 19 2005, 05:32 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Dec 19 200... Dec 20 2005, 05:34 AM
The Messenger Does anyone have any insight into why reaction whe... Dec 19 2005, 03:33 PM
Phil Stooke Even if Hayabusa only returned a quarter of NEAR... Dec 19 2005, 07:19 PM
ljk4-1 Would it have been easier to have Hayabusa touch d... Dec 19 2005, 07:43 PM
edstrick Holder of the Two Leashes:
"The reason it ... Dec 19 2005, 07:38 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 19 2005, 01:38 PM)I not... Dec 19 2005, 08:54 PM
RNeuhaus Minerva would do much better the job with imaging ... Dec 19 2005, 07:51 PM
Joffan QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Dec 19 200... Dec 19 2005, 10:31 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (Joffan @ Dec 19 2005, 04:31 PM)I thoug... Dec 19 2005, 11:45 PM
lyford And NEAR never found a Red Light District, either.... Dec 20 2005, 02:43 AM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 20 2005, 03:31 AM)I gue... Dec 20 2005, 07:29 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 20 2005, 02:31 AM)Where... Dec 21 2005, 02:34 PM
BruceMoomaw Hawaii's Jeffrey Bell has been telling me for ... Dec 20 2005, 10:12 PM
Phil Stooke I just noticed this, though it may not be brand ne... Dec 30 2005, 06:32 PM
ljk4-1 Maybe if we wait a few million years, we'll ge... Jan 3 2006, 05:11 PM![]() ![]() |
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