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tedstryk
post Jan 22 2005, 02:15 PM
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In Astronomy's February issue, they report that Russia has approved funding for the Phobos-Grunt mission. Design work has gone on since 1997, and the new design is scaled down to fly an a Soyuz rocket instead of the larger Proton. The main purpose is similar to Phobos-2, with the addition of a sample return. Also being discussed is the possibility of it carrying a few "meteorological stations" fof Mars itself. Generally, I have written this mission off as "never going to happen," but with the new Russian alliance with ESA, I wonder if they might be able to actually fly this thing. Also, with Putin's increasingly Soviet-style leadership, and with the likelyhood of lunar missions from China and India, Russian pride might drive this mission. If so, I have a concern. This mission sounds really, really ambitious. And the Russians have never even sent a fully successful Mars orbiter, and that is when they launched them in pairs or triplets. Still, if the mission flies, even if it doesn't bring back Phobos soil it might obtain some interesting results. Here is ESA's Phobos-Grunt page:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/ESA_Permanent_...IJFW4QWD_0.html

Also, ESA has another page on potential Russian programs, although this seem to be nothing but pipe dreams at the moment. Would be a cool mission though.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/ESA_Permanent_...0LFW4QWD_0.html

And also a page on the only partially realized current Russian project, its program to put instruments on other's spacecraft, such as HEND on Odyssey.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/ESA_Permanent_...HMFW4QWD_0.html


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- tedstryk   Phobos-Grunt   Jan 22 2005, 02:15 PM
- - djellison   Not sure what's going on. The images all remai...   Jun 20 2006, 12:52 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 20 2006, 08:52 AM)...   Jun 20 2006, 01:45 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Doug: Maybe you can raise the limits re size/quan...   Jun 20 2006, 01:54 PM
- - djellison   http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showt...   Jun 20 2006, 02:07 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Craig Covault, reporting from the Farnborough 2006...   Jul 17 2006, 07:36 PM
- - nprev   ...ambitious, hope that it flies!!! I...   Jul 20 2006, 12:01 AM
- - jamescanvin   It says 11 months transit each way. It also says ...   Jul 20 2006, 01:06 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   Note that Zakharov et al. have a related abstract ...   Jul 20 2006, 01:49 AM
- - konangrit   QUOTE Perminov also said China may sign a contract...   Sep 19 2006, 09:31 AM
- - IM4   In fact after global redesigning in 2003 some of F...   Sep 21 2006, 06:17 PM
|- - MaxSt   QUOTE (IM4 @ Sep 21 2006, 02:17 PM) Suita...   Sep 21 2006, 07:24 PM
|- - JTN   QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ May 6 2006, 02:55 A...   Nov 25 2006, 02:02 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Thank you for this interesting contribution. Can ...   Sep 21 2006, 07:22 PM
|- - IM4   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 21 2006, 07:22 P...   Sep 22 2006, 08:50 AM
- - RNeuhaus   Welcome IM4. Your report was very interesting. Sha...   Sep 21 2006, 07:23 PM
- - RNeuhaus   A new update. Russia Hopes To Launch Craft To Mis...   Sep 29 2006, 11:16 PM
- - Phil Stooke   There is this Phobos website: http://www.kiam1.rs...   Sep 29 2006, 11:45 PM
- - RNeuhaus   Phi, Many thanks for posting the URL. Rodolfo   Sep 30 2006, 12:13 AM
- - konangrit   QUOTE ...Nosenko said that Russia had agreed to he...   Nov 14 2006, 08:24 AM
- - infocat13   Perhaps HIRISE could assist with site selection?   Nov 16 2006, 02:08 AM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (infocat13 @ Nov 15 2006, 07:08 PM)...   Nov 16 2006, 03:48 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (tuvas @ Nov 16 2006, 03:48 AM) Jus...   Nov 16 2006, 06:27 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (tuvas @ Nov 16 2006, 03:48 AM) I d...   Nov 16 2006, 08:00 AM
- - Phil Stooke   tuvas: "Just would like to know what the Rus...   Nov 16 2006, 02:18 PM
|- - GravityWaves   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Nov 16 2006, 11:18 A...   Oct 9 2007, 09:42 AM
- - IM4   HERE you can see large photo of the full-sized Pho...   Mar 16 2007, 06:43 PM
- - konangrit   Some more details have been announced for the Chin...   May 24 2007, 03:37 PM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (konangrit @ May 24 2007, 08:37 AM)...   May 25 2007, 02:43 AM
- - AlexBlackwell   Thanks for the update, konangrit. Phobos and Deim...   May 24 2007, 07:02 PM
- - nprev   That IS tiny...makes me wonder if they intend to e...   May 25 2007, 04:59 PM
- - elakdawalla   I found a lot of information on this in a presenta...   May 25 2007, 05:37 PM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ May 25 2007, 10:37 A...   May 27 2007, 06:52 PM
|- - Liss   QUOTE (mchan @ May 27 2007, 09:52 PM) I a...   May 31 2007, 12:50 PM
- - Adam   If I remember correctly there were plans for a swe...   May 25 2007, 07:05 PM
- - nprev   Thanks, Emily; terrific as usual (gee, you must be...   May 25 2007, 07:17 PM
- - elakdawalla   If all that it takes to be a journalist is to know...   May 25 2007, 10:30 PM
- - Phil Stooke   That's all it takes to do anything nowadays. ...   May 25 2007, 10:38 PM
- - elakdawalla   This was the best thing I could find on what Yingh...   May 27 2007, 11:48 PM
- - mchan   Interesting site. Yinghuo appears to be the name ...   May 28 2007, 07:06 AM
- - Pedro_Sondas   QUOTE Yinghuo in Chinese characters is related to ...   May 28 2007, 10:17 AM
- - Paolo   This is a recent image of Fobos Grunt complete wit...   Jun 24 2007, 06:11 AM
|- - louisfriedman   QUOTE (Paolo @ Jun 23 2007, 10:11 PM) Thi...   Jun 24 2007, 08:26 PM
- - nprev   Looks interesting, Mr. Friedman. Any chance of a...   Jun 24 2007, 10:23 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   Just a note concerning the English spelling and pr...   Jul 18 2007, 06:04 PM
|- - tedstryk   In other words, it is a long U sound. The standar...   Jul 18 2007, 07:57 PM
- - elakdawalla   I was going to write my own reply, but you did a b...   Jul 18 2007, 08:43 PM
- - David   As "Grunt" is a borrowing from the Germa...   Jul 18 2007, 08:43 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (David @ Jul 18 2007, 08:43 PM) As ...   Jul 18 2007, 09:06 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Here, in Bulgaria, Grunt ( Гру...   Jul 23 2007, 03:58 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jul 23 2007, 08:58 AM...   Aug 28 2007, 06:44 PM
- - Paolo   A detailed model of Fobos-Grunt on show at the MAK...   Aug 25 2007, 03:26 PM
- - IM4   And some more FG-related stuff from MAKS 2007 airs...   Aug 28 2007, 01:26 PM
- - nprev   I'm thinking "grunt" may well best t...   Aug 28 2007, 06:57 PM
- - monitorlizard   It looks like the topic of the Phobos surface dust...   Sep 6 2007, 09:56 AM
|- - AndyG   Sinking into dust will not be a problem. There d...   Sep 6 2007, 10:55 AM
- - Big_Gazza   Regarding the idea of deep dust on Phobos, I dont ...   Sep 6 2007, 10:30 AM
- - karolp   I wonder if anyone has come across this Phobos-Gru...   Sep 11 2007, 11:56 AM
- - Zvezdichko   wait... is it going to land on Earth like Genesis ...   Sep 13 2007, 09:03 PM
|- - SpaceListener   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Sep 13 2007, 04:03 PM...   Sep 13 2007, 11:30 PM
|- - Pavel   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Sep 13 2007, 05:03 PM...   Sep 14 2007, 12:31 AM
|- - Ankle-bone12   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Sep 13 2007, 09:03 PM...   Oct 8 2007, 07:51 PM
- - nprev   Yeah...lithobraking augmented by a bit of atmosphe...   Oct 9 2007, 02:14 AM
- - djellison   No chute is the simplest possible design. You bui...   Oct 9 2007, 07:27 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 9 2007, 12:27 AM) ...   Oct 10 2007, 01:26 AM
- - konangrit   Chen Changya of the Shanghai Institute of Satellit...   Dec 4 2007, 09:55 AM
- - IM4   Good news everyone! Presentations from recent ...   Dec 23 2007, 02:45 PM
- - Zvezdichko   http://www.russianspaceweb.com/phobos_grunt_prefli...   Jun 24 2008, 08:52 AM
- - jamescanvin   Finnish Mars Lander??!! EDIT: Ah, the M...   Jun 24 2008, 09:25 AM
- - Zvezdichko   They're referring to MetNet, actually. http:/...   Jun 24 2008, 09:27 AM
|- - tedstryk   Good, maybe they thought better of sticking MetNet...   Jun 24 2008, 12:44 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Looks like they really want to send a Mars lander....   Jun 24 2008, 01:09 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 24 2008, 02:09 PM...   Jun 24 2008, 01:16 PM
- - Zvezdichko   In my opinion drop tests are not of much value. Fo...   Jun 24 2008, 01:23 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 24 2008, 01:23 PM...   Jun 24 2008, 01:42 PM
- - Zvezdichko   the Russians should know not to test their Mars lu...   Jun 24 2008, 01:55 PM
|- - tedstryk   You know, NASA and the Russians have the opposite ...   Jun 24 2008, 03:12 PM
- - Zvezdichko   But if we look at the subject with optimism, we ha...   Jun 24 2008, 03:25 PM
|- - tedstryk   Another thing that makes me optimistic is that the...   Jun 24 2008, 08:30 PM
|- - Big_Gazza   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jun 25 2008, 06:30 AM) ...   Jun 25 2008, 11:13 AM
- - Mariner9   I think reffering to it as "working in a Sovi...   Jun 24 2008, 03:40 PM
- - mps   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 24 2008, 11:52 AM...   Jun 25 2008, 07:19 AM
- - Zvezdichko   I liked to see they chose Zenith, because in my op...   Jun 25 2008, 11:04 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 25 2008, 12:04 PM...   Jun 25 2008, 11:25 AM
|- - Big_Gazza   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 25 2008, 09:04 PM...   Jun 25 2008, 11:32 AM
- - mps   As far as I understand, they will launch Phobos-Gr...   Jun 25 2008, 11:30 AM
- - Zvezdichko   Actually in the last 12 months we have 6 Proton la...   Jun 25 2008, 11:37 AM
|- - SFJCody   This is one good aspect of rising fuel prices- Rus...   Jun 26 2008, 05:52 AM
- - mps   Yes, but in the same time U.S. and Europe will hav...   Jun 26 2008, 06:43 AM
- - Zvezdichko   An update on laspace.ru (Using the Google translat...   Jul 5 2008, 07:34 AM
- - Paolo   In case you forgot, the ill-fated Phobos 1 was lau...   Jul 7 2008, 01:38 PM
|- - tolis   QUOTE (Paolo @ Jul 7 2008, 01:38 PM) In c...   Jul 7 2008, 02:43 PM
- - charborob   Here's an article about Phobos-Grunt: Russia t...   Jul 15 2008, 04:09 AM
- - Paolo   The latest issue of Air & Space magazine has a...   Jul 27 2008, 02:07 PM
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