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tedstryk
post Jan 22 2005, 02:15 PM
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In Astronomy's February issue, they report that Russia has approved funding for the Phobos-Grunt mission. Design work has gone on since 1997, and the new design is scaled down to fly an a Soyuz rocket instead of the larger Proton. The main purpose is similar to Phobos-2, with the addition of a sample return. Also being discussed is the possibility of it carrying a few "meteorological stations" fof Mars itself. Generally, I have written this mission off as "never going to happen," but with the new Russian alliance with ESA, I wonder if they might be able to actually fly this thing. Also, with Putin's increasingly Soviet-style leadership, and with the likelyhood of lunar missions from China and India, Russian pride might drive this mission. If so, I have a concern. This mission sounds really, really ambitious. And the Russians have never even sent a fully successful Mars orbiter, and that is when they launched them in pairs or triplets. Still, if the mission flies, even if it doesn't bring back Phobos soil it might obtain some interesting results. Here is ESA's Phobos-Grunt page:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/ESA_Permanent_...IJFW4QWD_0.html

Also, ESA has another page on potential Russian programs, although this seem to be nothing but pipe dreams at the moment. Would be a cool mission though.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/ESA_Permanent_...0LFW4QWD_0.html

And also a page on the only partially realized current Russian project, its program to put instruments on other's spacecraft, such as HEND on Odyssey.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/ESA_Permanent_...HMFW4QWD_0.html


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- tedstryk   Phobos-Grunt   Jan 22 2005, 02:15 PM
- - djellison   Different planetary protection requirements anyway...   Nov 6 2011, 07:11 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   Agreed, but I'm guessing the assembly faciliti...   Nov 6 2011, 07:16 PM
- - konangrit   Fobos-Grunt Vs Phobos-Grunt; is there past precede...   Nov 6 2011, 10:48 PM
- - Phil Stooke   The question is, do you want to translate or trans...   Nov 7 2011, 02:24 AM
- - nprev   I really gotta agree with Dan here. I don't th...   Nov 7 2011, 02:44 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 6 2011, 09:44 PM) Stil...   Nov 7 2011, 03:36 AM
- - maschnitz   I'd argue the transliteration is Fobos-Grunt a...   Nov 7 2011, 04:19 AM
- - konangrit   Yes, the issue seems to be Roskosmos translating o...   Nov 7 2011, 05:44 AM
- - machi   It's simple, english Ph sounds same as F in ma...   Nov 7 2011, 09:38 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (machi @ Nov 7 2011, 04:38 AM) Simi...   Nov 7 2011, 05:09 PM
- - GEmin1   The Zenit-2SB rocket was transported to the launch...   Nov 7 2011, 02:40 PM
- - machi   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Nov 7 2011, 03:19 PM) W...   Nov 7 2011, 07:00 PM
- - SpaceListener   Russia has traditionally failed all landing missio...   Nov 7 2011, 10:33 PM
- - MERovingian   GEmin1, Thank you for the link! It's gonn...   Nov 8 2011, 12:25 AM
|- - Ulysses   QUOTE (MERovingian @ Nov 8 2011, 01:25 AM...   Nov 8 2011, 04:44 AM
- - nprev   I really hope that some fluent Russian speakers wi...   Nov 8 2011, 09:26 AM
- - DEChengst   Spaceflight Now will also show it on their livestr...   Nov 8 2011, 01:53 PM
|- - dilo   Dec, this bottle seems ready on the launch pad...   Nov 8 2011, 05:18 PM
- - Ulysses   A different site mentions that the ISS crew might ...   Nov 8 2011, 05:12 PM
- - tolis   I suppose that, following a successful launch, and...   Nov 8 2011, 05:37 PM
- - Syrinx   I'm terrible with time zones. Launch is set f...   Nov 8 2011, 07:12 PM
|- - ugordan   Correct.   Nov 8 2011, 07:18 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (Syrinx @ Nov 8 2011, 11:12 AM) Lau...   Nov 8 2011, 07:26 PM
- - Ulysses   Launch can be seen live here: http://www.tsenki.co...   Nov 8 2011, 07:48 PM
|- - pospa   QUOTE (Ulysses @ Nov 8 2011, 08:48 PM) La...   Nov 8 2011, 07:56 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Seems to be an extremely interesting mission... ho...   Nov 8 2011, 08:16 PM
- - Explorer1   And they're off! No countdown, nothing...   Nov 8 2011, 08:17 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Everything normal so far...   Nov 8 2011, 08:21 PM
|- - ugordan   Spacecraft separation from the launch vehicle. In ...   Nov 8 2011, 08:28 PM
- - Hungry4info   Fobos-Grunt is in a parking orbit now.   Nov 8 2011, 08:29 PM
- - pospa   Great, F-G is on orbit ! 1st step accomplishe...   Nov 8 2011, 08:30 PM
- - climber   Yet another 5 hours to spacecraft release on to Ma...   Nov 8 2011, 08:35 PM
- - konangrit   Awesome nighttime launch!   Nov 8 2011, 08:35 PM
|- - ugordan   For those of you who missed the launch, the video ...   Nov 8 2011, 08:41 PM
- - machi   Replay via youtube Congratulations! EDIT: So...   Nov 8 2011, 08:41 PM
- - Sunspot   What's happening at 4.49 in that video?   Nov 8 2011, 08:53 PM
|- - ugordan   Condensation in the air as the rocket passes thoug...   Nov 8 2011, 08:59 PM
- - brellis   Must say I don't miss the nattering jibber jab...   Nov 8 2011, 09:19 PM
- - belleraphon1   Best of luck indeed. Daring mission. Craig   Nov 8 2011, 09:48 PM
- - eoincampbell   Great news, made my day...(opens beer) Cheers F-G...   Nov 8 2011, 10:50 PM
- - MERovingian   I did watch the launch from work, with my Bulgaria...   Nov 8 2011, 11:02 PM
- - djellison   BTW - before any of the more extreme OCD of you sa...   Nov 8 2011, 11:11 PM
- - MERovingian   It makes sense!   Nov 8 2011, 11:25 PM
- - Ulysses   And it's official now, the ISS crew will try t...   Nov 8 2011, 11:34 PM
- - stevesliva   Does Russia have its own DSN equivalent? Do they ...   Nov 8 2011, 11:41 PM
- - tolis   First upper stage burn should be over, but as yet ...   Nov 8 2011, 11:42 PM
- - Ulysses   Who knows good Russian here? QUOTE Т...   Nov 9 2011, 12:02 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (Ulysses @ Nov 9 2011, 01:02 AM) Lo...   Nov 9 2011, 12:07 AM
|- - Ulysses   QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 9 2011, 01:07 AM) I ...   Nov 9 2011, 12:09 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (Ulysses @ Nov 9 2011, 01:09 AM) Th...   Nov 9 2011, 12:12 AM
|- - Ulysses   QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 9 2011, 01:12 AM) Te...   Nov 9 2011, 12:18 AM
- - Ulysses   Seesat-L report QUOTE Phobos-Grunt - serious prob...   Nov 9 2011, 12:22 AM
- - Hungry4info   Phobos-Grunt - serious problem reported http://www...   Nov 9 2011, 12:23 AM
- - Oersted   RE: Phobos-Grunt   Nov 9 2011, 12:31 AM
- - tolis   Shades of Mars 96..   Nov 9 2011, 12:39 AM
- - Ulysses   And no telemetry. http://phobos.cosmos.ru/index...   Nov 9 2011, 12:47 AM
- - nprev   Damn.   Nov 9 2011, 12:55 AM
- - Syrinx   :sad banana:   Nov 9 2011, 12:57 AM
- - tolis   Pity. I imagine if there was one mission in the en...   Nov 9 2011, 12:59 AM
- - Ulysses   Via www.nasaspaceflight.com QUOTE U.S. DSN's ...   Nov 9 2011, 01:05 AM
- - Hungry4info   Someone at the NASASpaceflight forum indicated tha...   Nov 9 2011, 01:06 AM
|- - Ulysses   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Nov 9 2011, 02:06 AM...   Nov 9 2011, 01:07 AM
|- - tolis   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Nov 9 2011, 01:06 AM...   Nov 9 2011, 01:08 AM
- - tanjent   When was the last reported contact? With the Soyuz...   Nov 9 2011, 01:09 AM
- - JTN   If it's still in contact... could be worse? B...   Nov 9 2011, 01:17 AM
- - Hungry4info   http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Nov-2011/0071.html Q...   Nov 9 2011, 01:19 AM
- - tolis   From the celestial mechanics point of view, if the...   Nov 9 2011, 01:23 AM
- - stevesliva   Would the second object in the same orbit be the u...   Nov 9 2011, 01:23 AM
- - Sunspot   The Deep Impact probe went into safe mode after sp...   Nov 9 2011, 01:24 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Nov 8 2011, 05:24 PM) Th...   Nov 9 2011, 01:34 AM
- - Ulysses   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Nov 9 2011, 02:23 AM)...   Nov 9 2011, 01:24 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Still some hope - but regardless of whether this e...   Nov 9 2011, 01:26 AM
- - Ulysses   Are there any orbital experts here? What's the...   Nov 9 2011, 01:32 AM
|- - JTN   QUOTE (Ulysses @ Nov 9 2011, 01:32 AM) Ar...   Nov 9 2011, 01:45 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Here's a nice paper that includes a sample pro...   Nov 9 2011, 02:24 AM
- - JTN   As well as Emily's blog, another page summaris...   Nov 9 2011, 02:29 AM
|- - Ulysses   QUOTE (JTN @ Nov 9 2011, 03:29 AM) The in...   Nov 9 2011, 02:34 AM
- - Ulysses   http://ria.ru/science/20111109/484401134.html QUO...   Nov 9 2011, 02:38 AM
- - Hungry4info   Looks like neither burn has ocurred, via the Russi...   Nov 9 2011, 02:39 AM
- - JTN   Something official-looking (quoting Vladimir Popov...   Nov 9 2011, 02:40 AM
|- - Ulysses   QUOTE (JTN @ Nov 9 2011, 03:40 AM) Someth...   Nov 9 2011, 02:46 AM
- - MERovingian   I don't know if this has been posted yet here,...   Nov 9 2011, 02:48 AM
- - JTN   From Google auto-translation: QUOTE He added that ...   Nov 9 2011, 02:53 AM
|- - Ulysses   QUOTE (JTN @ Nov 9 2011, 03:53 AM) From G...   Nov 9 2011, 02:57 AM
|- - JTN   QUOTE (Ulysses @ Nov 9 2011, 02:57 AM) Th...   Nov 9 2011, 03:00 AM
- - MERovingian   What I like the most is this sentence: Popovkin: ...   Nov 9 2011, 03:07 AM
- - elakdawalla   If I understand the situation correctly, he is not...   Nov 9 2011, 04:18 AM
- - nprev   How long is the actual window? I would hope that i...   Nov 9 2011, 05:21 AM
- - Explorer1   For getting to Mars I think its a month or so? MSL...   Nov 9 2011, 05:33 AM
- - djellison   There maybe something unique that constrains the e...   Nov 9 2011, 05:49 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 9 2011, 06:49 AM) ...   Nov 9 2011, 08:44 AM
- - tanjent   If true, the issue being discussed in various post...   Nov 9 2011, 06:09 AM
- - Astro0   I would take anything being said - other than from...   Nov 9 2011, 06:38 AM
- - nprev   Words of wisdom, Astro0. Re your comment, Doug: Y...   Nov 9 2011, 07:02 AM
- - CAP-Team   It's sad to see another mission to Phobos fail...   Nov 9 2011, 08:58 AM
- - kto   from http://phobos.cosmos.ru/index.php?id=388&a......   Nov 9 2011, 10:48 AM
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