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Dec 16 2005, 06:51 AM
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tallbear: "....However, the Cassin Tour will be altered in early 2006 and these opportunities may go away while others may appear.....
Uh... Say WHAT?....is this a branch to an entirely different series of encounters than the second half of the primary mission that they've been designing in (necessarily) obsessive-compulsive detail for the last decade? Did they have to retarget to make a close flyby of a Vogon Mothership? Or did they find a spinning blue telephone call-box floating in Saturn orbit? <grin!> |
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Dec 27 2005, 11:37 PM
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A few things I should note: first, in order to accomplish the icy satellite flybys, we have to descend from the high inclination orbit we have at the end of the nominal mission to Saturn's equatorial plane, and that will take lots o' hydrazine, especially if we want to do it quickly. We could stay up to continue to monitor the rings, but that would also require hydrazine, as we would naturally decrease in inclination over time.
-------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Dec 28 2005, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 27 2005, 04:37 PM) A few things I should note: first, in order to accomplish the icy satellite flybys, we have to descend from the high inclination orbit we have at the end of the nominal mission to Saturn's equatorial plane, and that will take lots o' hydrazine, especially if we want to do it quickly. We could stay up to continue to monitor the rings, but that would also require hydrazine, as we would naturally decrease in inclination over time. depends upon which sats have priority ... during revs 6 thru 14 the ring plance crossing occured righte close to 4.0 Rs which is great for Enceladus... and those orbits were inclinded in the 20'ish degree range to optimize for RSS OCCs. Studies are in place to see what sorts of orbits are required for what satellites and if any satellite flybys require an EQ orbit. ... and there are lots of events that can not be viewed in EQ orbits so the pressure is on ..... all these EM studies and discussions are in their infancy .... so don't expect more than specualtion for ages.( Feb 2007 with a fair HINT at the naure of the Tour out in Aug 2006) ,.... |
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Dec 28 2005, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE (tallbear @ Dec 28 2005, 01:27 AM) depends upon which sats have priority ... during revs 6 thru 14 the ring plance crossing occured righte close to 4.0 Rs which is great for Enceladus... and those orbits were inclinded in the 20'ish degree range to optimize for RSS OCCs. Studies are in place to see what sorts of orbits are required for what satellites and if any satellite flybys require an EQ orbit. ... and there are lots of events that can not be viewed in EQ orbits so the pressure is on ..... all these EM studies and discussions are in their infancy .... so don't expect more than specualtion for ages.( Feb 2007 with a fair HINT at the naure of the Tour out in Aug 2006) ,.... That's my understanding too. I wouldn't be surprised if somekind of compromise tour is select, where we stay up reasonably high, a few Enceladus encounters (1-3) and plenty of non-targeteds. HOWEVER, such a plan would all but eliminate another Iapetus encounter, I would think. BTW, thanks for explaining what observations the rings people could get from staying high. -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Dec 28 2005, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 28 2005, 03:55 AM) The CIRS folk really want to see the season change on the Rings as the Sun crosses into the Northern Hemisphere and sunlight hits the North side of the Rings. Right now the unlit side of the B-ring looks like most of it hardly knows about the sun .... they want to see how fast the lit side cools and how fast the dark side warms when the 'season' swap occurs. Star Occs arund the Prometheus - F_ring collision will tell us about how this event affects the F_ring as well as the wakes in the A ring ... those star Occs will also tell us about how the next J-E orbital swap afftects those wakes.... and the speculation about the height of the wakes aldo is a driver for watching the EQ crossing to look at possible shadows of those wakes/waves... but we don't need to be at a super high inclination to watch any of these events.... BTW... there is a proposed Saturn Ring Mission that would orbit just above the Rings (on the lit side) .. requires lots of orbital maintenance maneuvers ... it's out there on the wish list of Missions that are being proposed.... |
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Dec 28 2005, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE (tallbear @ Dec 28 2005, 05:54 PM) BTW... there is a proposed Saturn Ring Mission that would orbit just above the Rings (on the lit side) .. requires lots of orbital maintenance maneuvers ... it's out there on the wish list of Missions that are being proposed.... Is that Tom Spilker's Saturn Ring Observer mission concept?
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edstrick Cassini Tour Tweaks - Titan >950 Km Dec 16 2005, 06:51 AM
ugordan QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 16 2005, 07:51 AM)tallb... Dec 16 2005, 08:19 AM
pat QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 16 2005, 09:19 AM)Maybe ... Dec 16 2005, 03:42 PM
TritonAntares QUOTE (pat @ Dec 16 2005, 05:42 PM)The Cassin... Dec 16 2005, 04:15 PM
ugordan QUOTE (pat @ Dec 16 2005, 04:42 PM)The Cassin... Dec 16 2005, 04:28 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 16 2005, 08:28 AM)Yes, b... Dec 16 2005, 04:30 PM

EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 16 2005, 09:30 AM)Ma... Dec 17 2005, 06:17 AM
tallbear QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 16 2005, 09:28 AM)Yes, b... Dec 16 2005, 05:39 PM
JRehling QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 16 2005, 08:28 AM)I keep... Dec 16 2005, 07:13 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (JRehling @ Dec 16 2005, 07:13 PM)I... Dec 16 2005, 07:42 PM
JRehling QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 16 2005, 11:42 AM)... Dec 16 2005, 08:02 PM
volcanopele I've moved all posts on the new tour, caused b... Dec 16 2005, 06:06 PM
volcanopele I guess I'll add my $0.02.
Basically, be... Dec 16 2005, 06:26 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 16 2005, 06:26 PM)I ... Dec 16 2005, 06:39 PM
canis_minor The new flyby altitudes have been selected, the de... Dec 16 2005, 07:10 PM

volcanopele QUOTE (canis_minor @ Dec 16 2005, 12:10 PM)Th... Dec 16 2005, 08:22 PM

EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 16 2005, 01:22 PM)No... Dec 16 2005, 08:51 PM

AlexBlackwell QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Dec 16 2005, 08:51 ... Dec 16 2005, 11:59 PM

EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 16 2005, 04:59 PM)... Dec 17 2005, 06:06 AM

The Messenger QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Dec 16 2005, 01:51 ... Dec 28 2005, 01:54 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 16 2005, 08:39... Dec 15 2006, 08:24 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 15 2006, 01:24... Dec 15 2006, 08:54 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 15 2006, 10:54 A... Dec 15 2006, 08:58 PM
elakdawalla I've posted updated Titan flyby altitudes in m... Dec 16 2005, 08:18 PM
Bob Shaw If I remember correctly, some of the early(ish) EO... Dec 17 2005, 12:54 AM
EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Dec 16 2005, 05:54 PM)If I ... Dec 17 2005, 06:10 AM
BruceMoomaw I would presume that another thing they'll wan... Dec 16 2005, 11:42 PM
edstrick A basic note regarding extended mission options. ... Dec 17 2005, 06:58 AM
BruceMoomaw Robert Mitchell told me flatly that insertion into... Dec 17 2005, 08:29 AM
edstrick The problem with aerocapture through repeated aero... Dec 17 2005, 08:34 AM
tty QUOTE Also interesting is that they're explori... Dec 17 2005, 04:14 PM
ugordan QUOTE (tty @ Dec 17 2005, 05:14 PM)Is flying ... Dec 17 2005, 04:19 PM
canis_minor A few comments on recent posts.
Propellant and ex... Dec 19 2005, 08:15 PM
AlexBlackwell NASA Considering Extending Cassini Mission Through... Dec 27 2005, 08:27 PM
ugordan It's nice to hear an official word on an exten... Dec 27 2005, 08:43 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 27 2005, 08:43 PM)That... Dec 27 2005, 10:08 PM
ugordan Unless something completely surprising crops up in... Dec 27 2005, 11:10 PM
volcanopele I should point out that Cassini already flew throu... Dec 19 2005, 08:17 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 27 2005, 11:37 PM)A ... Dec 28 2005, 12:04 AM

Bob Shaw One of the serendipitous aspects of even the curre... Dec 28 2005, 12:19 AM

nprev QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Dec 27 2005, 05:19 PM)One o... Dec 28 2005, 12:45 AM

AlexBlackwell QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 28 2005, 12:45 AM)I hope o... Dec 28 2005, 05:53 PM
tallbear QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 28 2005, 10:59 AM)... Dec 28 2005, 11:21 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tallbear @ Dec 28 2005, 11:21 PM)EM re... Dec 29 2005, 01:56 AM
BruceMoomaw I pretty much take for granted that an extended mi... Dec 28 2005, 01:41 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 28 2005, 01:41 AM)I ... Dec 28 2005, 08:21 PM
Toma B QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 28 2005, 11:21 PM)... Dec 28 2005, 08:46 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Toma B @ Dec 28 2005, 09:46 PM)What wo... Dec 28 2005, 08:50 PM

volcanopele QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 28 2005, 01:50 PM)Six ho... Dec 28 2005, 08:53 PM

ugordan Are there any prospects for Enceladus observations... Dec 28 2005, 08:58 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Toma B @ Dec 28 2005, 08:46 PM)What wo... Dec 28 2005, 08:56 PM
tasp I'm not smart enough to do the math on this so... Dec 28 2005, 05:49 AM
tasp What the heck, might as well drop this one in too:... Dec 28 2005, 05:56 AM
edstrick I wouild assume a major science opportunity during... Dec 28 2005, 07:22 AM
tallbear QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 28 2005, 12:22 AM)I wou... Dec 28 2005, 08:39 AM
edstrick Actually, rings folk really want to be in the ring... Dec 28 2005, 09:55 AM
EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 28 2005, 02:55 AM)Actua... Jan 2 2006, 06:26 PM
BruceMoomaw I've just found a very nice and very recent pa... Dec 29 2005, 04:24 AM
BruceMoomaw Make that "Large Flagship" level -- the ... Dec 30 2005, 02:48 AM
tasp I'm not afraid to post this, if it is dum, be ... Dec 30 2005, 03:28 AM
BruceMoomaw Uh-uh -- it would be HARDER to orbit Iapetus than ... Dec 30 2005, 08:07 AM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 30 2005, 02:07 AM)... Dec 31 2005, 01:31 AM
EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 30 2005, 01:07 AM)Uh... Jan 2 2006, 06:10 PM
BruceMoomaw 2 to 2.5 km/sec is hardly "meager" -- th... Dec 31 2005, 04:01 AM
David QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 31 2005, 04:01 AM)I ... Dec 31 2005, 04:14 AM

mchan QUOTE (David @ Dec 30 2005, 08:14 PM)Ah, but ... Jan 2 2006, 01:30 AM

dvandorn Dewey lives!
-the other Doug Jan 2 2006, 01:46 AM

nprev QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 1 2006, 06:46 PM)Dewey ... Jan 2 2006, 05:56 AM
nprev QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 30 2005, 09:01 PM)2 ... Jan 2 2006, 06:20 AM
edstrick Bruce: ".... I suspect that the one finally ... Dec 31 2005, 11:51 AM
edstrick Nprev: "...never could figure out why they... Jan 2 2006, 06:16 AM
BruceMoomaw EcdentricAnomaly is, I believe, overlooking the po... Jan 2 2006, 11:53 PM
EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 2 2006, 04:53 PM)Ecd... Jan 4 2006, 01:08 AM
EccentricAnomaly Orbiting Phoebe might also me possible... but its... Jan 4 2006, 01:09 AM

nprev QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Jan 3 2006, 06:09 P... Jan 4 2006, 01:47 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Jan 4 2006, 01:08 A... Jan 4 2006, 05:57 PM
tasp IIRC, one of the many Pluto probe ideas floated in... Jan 4 2006, 03:59 AM
nprev QUOTE (tasp @ Jan 3 2006, 08:59 PM)IIRC, one ... Jan 4 2006, 05:11 AM
BruceMoomaw There was never any chance of having the same craf... Jan 4 2006, 05:35 AM
Decepticon Didn't Russia want to add a "Zond" L... Jan 4 2006, 06:50 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 4 2006, 06:50 AM)Didn... Jan 4 2006, 05:30 PM![]() ![]() |
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