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Dec 16 2005, 06:51 AM
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tallbear: "....However, the Cassin Tour will be altered in early 2006 and these opportunities may go away while others may appear.....
Uh... Say WHAT?....is this a branch to an entirely different series of encounters than the second half of the primary mission that they've been designing in (necessarily) obsessive-compulsive detail for the last decade? Did they have to retarget to make a close flyby of a Vogon Mothership? Or did they find a spinning blue telephone call-box floating in Saturn orbit? <grin!> |
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Dec 16 2005, 06:26 PM
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I guess I'll add my $0.02.
Basically, because the upper atmosphere of Titan is thicker (or at least provides more torque on the spacecraft) than expected, all flybys with a close approach altitude of 950 km will be raised, and other, more distant encounters, lowered. This will effect the tour in subtle ways, nothing too drastic, but it will be a bit of a headache because the changes do cause some differences in the timing of encounters. It is also not yet clear how such tweaks will effect non-targeted encounters (it is my understanding that the Enceladus March '08 encounter will be frozen at 100 km and the Iapetus encounter will only change by a marginal amount). This tour change is still being evaluated. the first 950 km encounter is in July '06 (T16), so there is still some time to work on these changes. -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Dec 16 2005, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 16 2005, 06:26 PM) I guess I'll add my $0.02. Basically, because the upper atmosphere of Titan is thicker (or at least provides more torque on the spacecraft) than expected, all flybys with a close approach altitude of 950 km will be raised, and other, more distant encounters, lowered. This will effect the tour in subtle ways, nothing too drastic, but it will be a bit of a headache because the changes do cause some differences in the timing of encounters. It is also not yet clear how such tweaks will effect non-targeted encounters (it is my understanding that the Enceladus March '08 encounter will be frozen at 100 km and the Iapetus encounter will only change by a marginal amount). This tour change is still being evaluated. the first 950 km encounter is in July '06 (T16), so there is still some time to work on these changes. I chime in and make the pot $0.04 I note the Project has "tentatively" selected the T18 and T19 flyby altitudes as 960 km and 980 km, respectively, while the T20a ORS/T20b RADAR thru T25 altitudes get raised back up above 1000 km. And the next 950 km flyby after T16 is T32a INMS/T32b solar occultation. |
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Dec 15 2006, 08:24 PM
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I chime in and make the pot $0.04 I note the Project has "tentatively" selected the T18 and T19 flyby altitudes as 960 km and 980 km, respectively, while the T20a ORS/T20b RADAR thru T25 altitudes get raised back up above 1000 km. And the next 950 km flyby after T16 is T32a INMS/T32b solar occultation. It's been a year since I posted the message above, so I'll perform CPR ("cyber"-pulmonary resuscitation) and temporarily revive this dead thread Today's Cassini's Significant Events Report publicly reveals the resolution of the INMS/ORS "conflict" for the T32 flyby. TOST was at an impasse, so the Project Scientist made the call, and of the two options noted above (i.e., T32a INMS/T32b solar occultation), INMS won out. Now all that's needed is for someone on ISS or VIMS to file an emergency appeal in federal court to stay the decision pending ultimate resolution in the Supreme Court of the United States. This post has been edited by AlexBlackwell: Dec 15 2006, 08:32 PM |
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Dec 15 2006, 08:54 PM
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Now all that's needed is for someone on ISS or VIMS to file an emergency appeal in federal court to stay the decision pending ultimate resolution in the Supreme Court of the United States. We had nothing to do with T32 C/A. The conflict was between INMS and UVIS (solar occultation). I'm sure we have observations planned for T32, but it doesn't matter which instrument was selected for that pass. -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Dec 15 2006, 08:58 PM
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We had nothing to do with T32 C/A. The conflict was between INMS and UVIS (solar occultation). I'm sure we have observations planned for T32, but it doesn't matter which instrument was selected for that pass. Oops. You're right. I meant to type UVIS instead of VIMS. |
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edstrick Cassini Tour Tweaks - Titan >950 Km Dec 16 2005, 06:51 AM
ugordan QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 16 2005, 07:51 AM)tallb... Dec 16 2005, 08:19 AM
pat QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 16 2005, 09:19 AM)Maybe ... Dec 16 2005, 03:42 PM
TritonAntares QUOTE (pat @ Dec 16 2005, 05:42 PM)The Cassin... Dec 16 2005, 04:15 PM
ugordan QUOTE (pat @ Dec 16 2005, 04:42 PM)The Cassin... Dec 16 2005, 04:28 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 16 2005, 08:28 AM)Yes, b... Dec 16 2005, 04:30 PM

EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 16 2005, 09:30 AM)Ma... Dec 17 2005, 06:17 AM
tallbear QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 16 2005, 09:28 AM)Yes, b... Dec 16 2005, 05:39 PM
JRehling QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 16 2005, 08:28 AM)I keep... Dec 16 2005, 07:13 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (JRehling @ Dec 16 2005, 07:13 PM)I... Dec 16 2005, 07:42 PM
JRehling QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 16 2005, 11:42 AM)... Dec 16 2005, 08:02 PM
volcanopele I've moved all posts on the new tour, caused b... Dec 16 2005, 06:06 PM
canis_minor The new flyby altitudes have been selected, the de... Dec 16 2005, 07:10 PM

volcanopele QUOTE (canis_minor @ Dec 16 2005, 12:10 PM)Th... Dec 16 2005, 08:22 PM

EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 16 2005, 01:22 PM)No... Dec 16 2005, 08:51 PM

AlexBlackwell QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Dec 16 2005, 08:51 ... Dec 16 2005, 11:59 PM

EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 16 2005, 04:59 PM)... Dec 17 2005, 06:06 AM

The Messenger QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Dec 16 2005, 01:51 ... Dec 28 2005, 01:54 AM
elakdawalla I've posted updated Titan flyby altitudes in m... Dec 16 2005, 08:18 PM
Bob Shaw If I remember correctly, some of the early(ish) EO... Dec 17 2005, 12:54 AM
EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Dec 16 2005, 05:54 PM)If I ... Dec 17 2005, 06:10 AM
BruceMoomaw I would presume that another thing they'll wan... Dec 16 2005, 11:42 PM
edstrick A basic note regarding extended mission options. ... Dec 17 2005, 06:58 AM
BruceMoomaw Robert Mitchell told me flatly that insertion into... Dec 17 2005, 08:29 AM
edstrick The problem with aerocapture through repeated aero... Dec 17 2005, 08:34 AM
tty QUOTE Also interesting is that they're explori... Dec 17 2005, 04:14 PM
ugordan QUOTE (tty @ Dec 17 2005, 05:14 PM)Is flying ... Dec 17 2005, 04:19 PM
canis_minor A few comments on recent posts.
Propellant and ex... Dec 19 2005, 08:15 PM
AlexBlackwell NASA Considering Extending Cassini Mission Through... Dec 27 2005, 08:27 PM
ugordan It's nice to hear an official word on an exten... Dec 27 2005, 08:43 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 27 2005, 08:43 PM)That... Dec 27 2005, 10:08 PM
ugordan Unless something completely surprising crops up in... Dec 27 2005, 11:10 PM
volcanopele I should point out that Cassini already flew throu... Dec 19 2005, 08:17 PM
volcanopele A few things I should note: first, in order to acc... Dec 27 2005, 11:37 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 27 2005, 11:37 PM)A ... Dec 28 2005, 12:04 AM

Bob Shaw One of the serendipitous aspects of even the curre... Dec 28 2005, 12:19 AM

nprev QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Dec 27 2005, 05:19 PM)One o... Dec 28 2005, 12:45 AM

AlexBlackwell QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 28 2005, 12:45 AM)I hope o... Dec 28 2005, 05:53 PM
tallbear QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 27 2005, 04:37 PM)A ... Dec 28 2005, 08:27 AM
volcanopele QUOTE (tallbear @ Dec 28 2005, 01:27 AM)depen... Dec 28 2005, 10:55 AM
tallbear QUOTE (volcanopele @ Dec 28 2005, 03:55 AM)BT... Dec 28 2005, 05:54 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tallbear @ Dec 28 2005, 05:54 PM)BTW..... Dec 28 2005, 05:59 PM
tallbear QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 28 2005, 10:59 AM)... Dec 28 2005, 11:21 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (tallbear @ Dec 28 2005, 11:21 PM)EM re... Dec 29 2005, 01:56 AM
BruceMoomaw I pretty much take for granted that an extended mi... Dec 28 2005, 01:41 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 28 2005, 01:41 AM)I ... Dec 28 2005, 08:21 PM
Toma B QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Dec 28 2005, 11:21 PM)... Dec 28 2005, 08:46 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Toma B @ Dec 28 2005, 09:46 PM)What wo... Dec 28 2005, 08:50 PM

volcanopele QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 28 2005, 01:50 PM)Six ho... Dec 28 2005, 08:53 PM

ugordan Are there any prospects for Enceladus observations... Dec 28 2005, 08:58 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Toma B @ Dec 28 2005, 08:46 PM)What wo... Dec 28 2005, 08:56 PM
tasp I'm not smart enough to do the math on this so... Dec 28 2005, 05:49 AM
tasp What the heck, might as well drop this one in too:... Dec 28 2005, 05:56 AM
edstrick I wouild assume a major science opportunity during... Dec 28 2005, 07:22 AM
tallbear QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 28 2005, 12:22 AM)I wou... Dec 28 2005, 08:39 AM
edstrick Actually, rings folk really want to be in the ring... Dec 28 2005, 09:55 AM
EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 28 2005, 02:55 AM)Actua... Jan 2 2006, 06:26 PM
BruceMoomaw I've just found a very nice and very recent pa... Dec 29 2005, 04:24 AM
BruceMoomaw Make that "Large Flagship" level -- the ... Dec 30 2005, 02:48 AM
tasp I'm not afraid to post this, if it is dum, be ... Dec 30 2005, 03:28 AM
BruceMoomaw Uh-uh -- it would be HARDER to orbit Iapetus than ... Dec 30 2005, 08:07 AM
Holder of the Two Leashes QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 30 2005, 02:07 AM)... Dec 31 2005, 01:31 AM
EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 30 2005, 01:07 AM)Uh... Jan 2 2006, 06:10 PM
BruceMoomaw 2 to 2.5 km/sec is hardly "meager" -- th... Dec 31 2005, 04:01 AM
David QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 31 2005, 04:01 AM)I ... Dec 31 2005, 04:14 AM

mchan QUOTE (David @ Dec 30 2005, 08:14 PM)Ah, but ... Jan 2 2006, 01:30 AM

dvandorn Dewey lives!
-the other Doug Jan 2 2006, 01:46 AM

nprev QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 1 2006, 06:46 PM)Dewey ... Jan 2 2006, 05:56 AM
nprev QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 30 2005, 09:01 PM)2 ... Jan 2 2006, 06:20 AM
edstrick Bruce: ".... I suspect that the one finally ... Dec 31 2005, 11:51 AM
edstrick Nprev: "...never could figure out why they... Jan 2 2006, 06:16 AM
BruceMoomaw EcdentricAnomaly is, I believe, overlooking the po... Jan 2 2006, 11:53 PM
EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 2 2006, 04:53 PM)Ecd... Jan 4 2006, 01:08 AM
EccentricAnomaly Orbiting Phoebe might also me possible... but its... Jan 4 2006, 01:09 AM

nprev QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Jan 3 2006, 06:09 P... Jan 4 2006, 01:47 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Jan 4 2006, 01:08 A... Jan 4 2006, 05:57 PM
tasp IIRC, one of the many Pluto probe ideas floated in... Jan 4 2006, 03:59 AM
nprev QUOTE (tasp @ Jan 3 2006, 08:59 PM)IIRC, one ... Jan 4 2006, 05:11 AM
BruceMoomaw There was never any chance of having the same craf... Jan 4 2006, 05:35 AM
Decepticon Didn't Russia want to add a "Zond" L... Jan 4 2006, 06:50 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 4 2006, 06:50 AM)Didn... Jan 4 2006, 05:30 PM![]() ![]() |
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