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Retrieved Space Vehicles, Analysis of stuff that's been Out There
ilbasso
post Dec 18 2005, 06:21 PM
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The recent discussions on the analysis of the bits of Surveyor 3 that Apollo 12 brought back have been interesting. I never knew about of the vidicon tube being vaporized!

I have seen precious little info on pieces of vehicles that have been brought back to Earth after long exposure to space. For example, what did we learn from the L-DEF (Long-Duration Exposure Facility) that orbited Earth years longer than intended, because of the Challenger accident?

Also, a friend of mine was an engineering lead on the early Hubble Space Telescope repair missions. I talked to him briefly after they had looked at some of the pieces of HST brought back from the servicing missions. He said that there were fasicnating - and at the time, unexplained - effects on the metal of the spacecraft at a micro level. He couldn't go into more detail because the results hadn't been made public yet. And I have never heard any more about this. Does anyone know of such an analysis?

Of course there were also macro-level effects on Hubble, too - remember the hole punched in one solar panel from orbital debris?


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edstrick
post Dec 19 2005, 06:57 AM
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Another thread has had a lot of more deserved, somewhat less undeserved ESA PR-effort bashing, but there and probably elswhere, I've done a fair share of NASA PR-office bashing (mostly of the <expletive deleted> schedule poster(s) for NASA-TV.

One area that is beyond pathetic is NASA publication and press-releasing of *ENGINEERING* SCIENCE results. LDEF, Thethered Satellite missions (granted that both were aborted incomplete), other sample retrievals, etc., plus materials and physics (and to a lesser extent biomed) science payloads on Spacelab and Spacehab shuttle missions. I expect a considerable amount of significant and interesting science has resulted from these efforts, but there's a near total lack of NASA tooting it's own horn on the results.

Granted that the price per published paper is probably 1000 or some such number as science papers resulting from antarctic or deep-sea-submersible science, casting doubt on the value of what we're getting, but unless I'm reading terminally specialized enginering and materials science journals that have these results (and I'm not), don't blame me for incorrectly concluding we're getting nothing for our $.
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post Jan 3 2006, 02:18 AM
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Online Hughes Aircraft Company document here.

Surveyor 3 Parts and Materials/Evaluation of Lunar Effects Returned from the Moon by Apollo 12 - Submitted January 22, 1971:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntr..._1971008092.pdf


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"After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance.
I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard,
and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does
not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is
indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have
no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft."

- Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853

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