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Dec 21 2005, 01:51 PM
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Orbits and photometry of Pluto's satellites: Charon, S/2005 P1 and S/2005 P2
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0512491 Orbital periods: Charon - 6.3872304 +/- 0.0000011 days S/2005 P2 - 24.8562 +/- 0.0013 days S/2005 P1 - 38.2065 +/- 0.0014 days Note: The old thread - http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...wtopic=1622&hl= -------------------- - blue_scape / Nico -
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Mar 10 2006, 03:36 PM
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"All three satellites have surfaces that reflect sunlight with equal efficiency at all wavelengths, which means they have the same color as the Sun or Earth's moon. In contrast, Pluto has more of a reddish hue."
Is this saying that they also have the same albedo? or are just a neutral Grey? I which case they could be different shades of grey... and different compositions! Hmmmm Nick |
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Mar 10 2006, 11:53 PM
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"All three satellites have surfaces that reflect sunlight with equal efficiency at all wavelengths, which means they have the same color as the Sun or Earth's moon. In contrast, Pluto has more of a reddish hue." Is this saying that they also have the same albedo? or are just a neutral Grey? I which case they could be different shades of grey... and different compositions! Hmmmm Nick I don't think there's any way to accurately measure the albedo of the two smaller satellites. It's saying that each of them individually reflects blue light as well as it reflects green and red. |
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Mar 11 2006, 01:33 AM
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JR--
You are right, we have no way at present to measure the albedo. We have a color, which is solar, meaning the bodies reflect sunlight equally across the B-V range (~4400-6500 A). But we do not know if they are dark and neutral or bright and neutral. I think the best chance for an albedo is going to come as a result of the Lee & Peale paper cited above. Stan and Man Hoi sent it out to many of us last week. From their work they have shown we can get masses for at least one, perhaps both, small sats. Masses mean we can get a good handle on the radii by assuming a density-- say 1.5 g/cm^3-- that's got to be right to within a factor of two, which means it only effects the radius by a factor or 2^0.333. Once we have a radius estimate we can determine a good albedo estimate. I am confident we can determine if P1 and P2 are dark like comets or more like Charon's 35% albedo this way, we might even do a little better than that. So stay tuned, in a year or two we'll have enough positions (I hope) to solve for the masses themselves. Of course, this does depend on the HST TAC giving time to at least one of the two proposals they have to get more astrometry. That TAC meets in 10 days... |
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SigurRosFan Plutos New Moons Part 2 Dec 21 2005, 01:51 PM
elakdawalla OK, so I plugged these periods into my calculator ... Dec 21 2005, 02:18 PM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 21 2005, 08:18 AM)Th... Dec 21 2005, 03:43 PM
Rob Pinnegar Yeah, the error bars on those periods are too far ... Dec 21 2005, 02:51 PM
djellison And of course, the ratio doesnt have to be perfect... Dec 21 2005, 03:50 PM
ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0512491
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00... Dec 21 2005, 04:10 PM
elakdawalla I was about to blog this but realized I don't ... Dec 21 2005, 04:28 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 21 2005, 09:28 AM)I ... Dec 21 2005, 05:16 PM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 21 2005, 10:28 AM)I ... Dec 21 2005, 07:02 PM

Alan Stern QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Dec 21 2005, 07:02 PM)L... Dec 23 2005, 12:50 PM

AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Dec 23 2005, 12:50 PM)One... Dec 23 2005, 03:57 PM

ljk4-1 Paper: astro-ph/0512599
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13... Dec 26 2005, 06:14 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 21 2005, 04:28 PM)I ... Dec 22 2005, 08:28 PM
elakdawalla Thanks for the various replies. I decided that it... Dec 23 2005, 05:09 AM
nprev At the risk of piquing the ire of some, does anybo... Dec 23 2005, 08:28 AM
tasp With the nes period findings, the NH mission disig... Dec 26 2005, 06:53 PM
SigurRosFan New paper:
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0601018... Jan 3 2006, 12:44 PM
Alan Stern Our discovery team is beginning to debate names. S... Feb 19 2006, 12:29 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Feb 18 2006, 04:29 PM... Feb 19 2006, 01:37 AM
Rob Pinnegar Well, to get some discussion going, here are some ... Feb 19 2006, 01:42 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Feb 18 2006, 05:42 ... Feb 19 2006, 02:00 AM

Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 18 2006, 08:00 PM... Feb 19 2006, 02:20 AM

odave QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Feb 18 2006, 09:20 ... Feb 19 2006, 04:06 PM
SFJCody QUOTE Perhaps Tartarus and Erebus ought to be kept... Feb 19 2006, 12:29 PM
Jyril QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Feb 19 2006, 03:42 ... Feb 19 2006, 02:22 PM
David QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Feb 19 2006, 01:42 ... Feb 19 2006, 06:25 PM
Bob Shaw Perhaps all trans-Plutonian planets should be call... Feb 19 2006, 09:28 PM
MichaelT Probably "Tityas" would be appropriate, ... Feb 19 2006, 10:22 AM
volcanopele I would be very disappointed if one of the moons i... Feb 19 2006, 06:20 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 19 2006, 10:20 A... Feb 20 2006, 04:33 PM
JRehling QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 20 2006, 08:33 AM... Feb 20 2006, 07:43 PM
David QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 20 2006, 07:43 PM) ... Feb 20 2006, 09:33 PM
BruceMoomaw Cerberus had a BROTHER? What happened? Did he fl... Feb 20 2006, 01:05 AM
Michael Capobianco No one's mentioned Proserpina, Queen of the Un... Feb 20 2006, 03:20 AM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (Michael Capobianco @ Feb 19 2006, 08... Feb 20 2006, 08:39 AM
punkboi QUOTE (Michael Capobianco @ Feb 19 2006, 08... Feb 23 2006, 01:11 AM
Rob Pinnegar Hmmm. I suppose that it wouldn't be difficult ... Feb 20 2006, 08:14 PM
odave QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Feb 20 2006, 03:14 ... Feb 20 2006, 08:44 PM
Michael Capobianco The same problem applies to naming planetary featu... Feb 20 2006, 08:40 PM
Decepticon ^Ouch! Below the belt!
ahun ahun... Feb 20 2006, 09:21 PM
Jyril Geez, last night I had a dream where these moons t... Feb 21 2006, 10:14 AM
AlexBlackwell The Weaver et al. and Stern et al. papers reportin... Feb 22 2006, 05:57 PM
Jyril Related press release: Pluto's New Moons Likel... Feb 22 2006, 06:14 PM
ljk4-1 EMBARGOED UNTIL: 1:00 pm (EST) February 22, 2006
... Feb 22 2006, 06:28 PM
AlexBlackwell Pluto Might Have Rings
By Ker Than
Staff Writer, ... Feb 22 2006, 06:35 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Feb 22 2006, 01:35... Feb 22 2006, 06:48 PM
tasp Possibility exists for elongated craters on Pluto ... Feb 22 2006, 09:33 PM
mchan QUOTE (tasp @ Feb 22 2006, 01:33 PM) Now ... Feb 23 2006, 05:40 AM
tasp QUOTE (mchan @ Feb 22 2006, 11:40 PM) htt... Feb 23 2006, 02:24 PM
remcook According to Hubble, the two moons have the same c... Mar 10 2006, 02:53 PM
Ames QUOTE (remcook @ Mar 10 2006, 02:53 PM) A... Mar 10 2006, 03:22 PM
helvick QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Mar 11 2006, 01:33 AM... Mar 11 2006, 02:30 AM
Alan Stern I expected a multiple system. This is why we searc... Mar 11 2006, 02:52 AM
elakdawalla I'm a geologist, not an astronomer, so I only ... Mar 10 2006, 03:50 PM
JRehling QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 10 2006, 07:50 A... Mar 10 2006, 05:50 PM
ljk4-1 Astrophysics, abstract
astro-ph/0603214
From: Ma... Mar 10 2006, 07:46 PM
remcook "Am I missing something?"
don't thi... Mar 10 2006, 04:42 PM
Myran QUOTE Alan Stern Said: ....only HST was capable of... Mar 12 2006, 12:28 AM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Myran @ Mar 12 2006, 12:28 AM) And... Mar 12 2006, 04:15 AM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Mar 12 2006, 04:15 A... Mar 12 2006, 11:06 AM

ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Mar 12 2006, 11:06 AM) ... Mar 12 2006, 03:53 PM
Jeff7 QUOTE (Myran @ Mar 11 2006, 07:28 PM) Onc... Mar 12 2006, 09:29 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Mar 12 2006, 09:29 PM) I r... Mar 12 2006, 09:36 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Mar 12 2006, 09:29 PM) I r... Apr 15 2006, 06:49 AM
Myran Well thank you ElkGroveDan trying to cheer me up. ... Mar 12 2006, 12:10 PM
ljk4-1 Astrophysics, abstract
astro-ph/0511837
From: And... Apr 15 2006, 12:02 AM
SigurRosFan The Positions, Colors, and Photometric Variability... May 2 2006, 10:32 AM![]() ![]() |
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