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 Dec 27 2005, 03:22 AM
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QUOTE (Phillip @ Dec 26 2005, 02:10 PM) I wonder if there is a space related conference that would be of interest to UMSF members, to which a UMSF meeting could be made an "appendage" -- either the day before the conference began or the day after? That could solve many logistical problems and would satisfy the criterion of having something space related that the members could participate in/view with others.  Another possibility... I know that the Planetary Society has meetings (almost annually) open to the general membership, that coincide with big space events, like the landing of Spirit two years ago. There may well be another planned for the time of the Phoenix lander touchdown. If so, I'm sure Emily could fill us in on any details as they become available. A meeting of the Planetary Society could be followed (or preceded) by a smaller gathering of UMSF folks. That would make another good option for a future US gathering. David |
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Dec 27 2005, 10:19 AM
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 Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
QUOTE (DFinfrock @ Dec 27 2005, 03:22 AM) Another possibility... I know that the Planetary Society has meetings (almost annually) open to the general membership, that coincide with big space events, like the landing of Spirit two years ago. There may well be another planned for the time of the Phoenix lander touchdown. If so, I'm sure Emily could fill us in on any details as they become available. A meeting of the Planetary Society could be followed (or preceded) by a smaller gathering of UMSF folks. That would make another good option for a future US gathering. David But that is only in 2008... I liked Emily's idea, first because there is time to manage the details, second, because we would have, besides the UMSF meeting, extra reasons to be there, third, the location...I don't know what my fellow Europeans think about it, but I would like to land and smell the new world... 
-------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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Dec 27 2005, 11:19 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14445 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
I'm not going to have the very first UMSF conference be something I can't be sure of getting to - the US for the first one is just a bit too much commitment in terms of travel and finance. Lets do something modest, proof-of-concept like in the EU in '06 first, see if the whole thing works.
Europe for the first gig, then the US as a follow up in '07 / '08 - and a tie in with TPS would be a very cunning idea Doug has spoken.  It might make sense to have it near ESOC (can you do visits there?) , Madrid or something else big and space-like to have a 'day 3' trip out. The primary issue is finding an appropriate venue. That's something I can do here in the UK, but not something that's too easy - so suggestions would be welcome, then we have to figure out the £/$ of the whole thing. Doug |
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Dec 27 2005, 11:30 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3009 Joined: 30-October 04 Member No.: 105 |
That is a good idea, Doug. This isn't clique-y, this isn't being regional, this is simply realistic. We are amateurs not on a expense account and meetings have to be within a budget. We can have "local" meetings and work up something larger.
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Dec 27 2005, 11:33 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14445 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Dec 27 2005, 11:30 AM) We can have "local" meetings and work up something larger. --Bill BINGO. I'd LOVE a huge, 500 delegate, Pasadena based gig with Steve, Jim, Tim Parker, Mike Malin, etc etc - but there's no point aiming that high first time around. Let's do something modest, realistic. For ultimate modesty, I'd have it here in Leicester - and people could visit the National Space Centre ( www.spacecentre.co.uk ) - but that's a bit to "my back yard" perhaps. Central Europe would make a lot of sense, somewhere where Easyjet and Ryanair fly to/from is a must as that makes it open to everybody. Doug |
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Dec 27 2005, 11:38 AM
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Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
Curious...I was looking for ESOC visits while you were editing...
Here it is: 'Can I visit ESOC? ESOC can be visited via the Darmstadt Tourist Office “ProRegio” on Monday mornings, Wednesday afternoons and Friday afternoons. Duration of a tour is 90 minutes and includes a 10-minute film as well as a visit to the main control room, dedicated control rooms and some satellite models. A group applying for a tour should consist of 15 to 25 people. All tours are free-of-charge, information material will be provided at the end of each tour. Contact : ProRegio Darmstadt, Mrs. Andrea Rohrmann, touristikservice@proregio-darmstadt.de. Tel: +49 6151 9515011' And DSN: MDSCC Carretera de Colmenar del Arroyo a Robledo de Chavela M-531 Km.7 28290 Robledo de Chavela (Madrid) España Tel - +34-91.867.70.00 Fax - +34-91.867.71.85 Visitors Center At the entry of the MDSCC Timetable: Tuesday to Friday: 10:00AM to 02:30PM (for groups) Weekends: de 10:00AM a 03:00PM Tel - +34-91.867.73.21 http://www.mdscc.org/assets/images/MAPA_CARRETERAS.jpg -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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| Guest_PhilCo126_* |
 Dec 27 2005, 11:52 AM
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Started a list with possible sites... Please add on
( Preferably with coordinates so we can check the site in Google Earth ! ) Possible sites in Europe: BELGIUM Redu Antenna site: Ardennes FRANCE Air & Space museum: Paris GERMANY ESA ESOC: Köln GREAT BRITAIN Nuffield Radio Astronomy Lab site - Jodrell Bank ( 53° 14’ 11 North – 2° 18’ 31” West ) Leicester Space Center ITALY ESA ESRIN: Frascati Roma NETHERLANDS ESA ESTEC: Noordwijk ( 52° 13’ 01” North – 4° 25’ 03” East ) SPAIN Cebreros Antenna site: Avilla Castillo Antenna site: Villafranca – Madrid *Canary Islands: Antenna sites + Astronomy sites to be completed... ... ...  Our US friends can do the same ...
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Dec 27 2005, 01:56 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
Alas, Doug, your point about the US being too costly, in terms of time and budget, for you Europeans is the same issue I have with a European meeting. And your comments about how a European meeting is so much more reasonable are *only* reasonable for, er... you Europeans.
So, I think it's incumbent upon us Americans to come up with a *really* cool site on this side of the pond for our *own* meeting, so that all of you Europeans can sit back and slobber with envy, and complain about how unfair it is that we can go and y'all can't afford it... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Dec 27 2005, 02:06 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14445 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
I know I know I know I know but the first conference IS going to be in Europe. End of story. You dont need to come up with a cool site, you already have ALL the cool sites basically. But the first one IS going to be in Europe, because I'm not going to have an UMSF conference happen that I cant get to, and I can't be sure that I'll be able to get to the US in '06. Simple as that.
The US already has TPS meetings, MOST of the DPS conferences etc etc etc - you get all the good stuff. Europe has next to nothing. Hell, come '07, we'll know what we're doing and it'll be a better conference for having had a warm up over here 12 months earlier. If it turns into something annual, then we can hop, year by year, across the pond and back to keep it fair for everyone. But it's going to START here. Doug |
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| Guest_PhilCo126_* |
 Dec 27 2005, 02:07 PM
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Please see my small thread above Doug (USA)...
You could do the same for the good old USA ...  Meanwhile, there're still some issues, such as affordability, both in time & money ... and then we can see who's planning to come, I guess if we can manage to get a dozen people together it will be a success! |
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Dec 27 2005, 02:09 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14445 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
by all means come up with US venues, but it'll be for '07, not '06. Debate it all you want, but that's the call I have made. Call it selfish, call it inverse nimby, but if we're going to have an UMSF conference, then I'm sure as hell going to be at the first one
the US can have the second one, and our American members can go to the cool stuff that the US already has Doug |
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Dec 27 2005, 02:19 PM
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Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 27 2005, 02:09 PM) by all means come up with US venues, but it'll be for '07, not '06. Debate it all you want, but that's the call I have made. End of story. Doug Well...Maybe in Azores... It's halfway for everyone and, officialy is European ground... NO DOUG DON'T BEAT ME, NO! NOOO! AARGHHH!!! 
-------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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Dec 27 2005, 02:23 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14445 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Tenerife would be cool, Mt Teide is an awesome visit, but part of me thinks that ESOC or Madrid would be a really really worthwhile thing to try and sort out.
Doug |
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| Guest_PhilCo126_* |
Dec 27 2005, 02:30 PM
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Do we have some Spanish readers here?
I can't find the ESA ground stations in Google Earth ( maybe 1 is in the area which has lesser resolution images )... Anyway, does someone has coordinates for: 1. Villafranca del Castillo ( 30 kilometers West of Madrid ) 2. Cebreros ( 90 kilometers West of Madrid ) 
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Dec 27 2005, 02:37 PM
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Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 27 2005, 02:23 PM) Tenerife would be cool, Mt Teide is an awesome visit, but part of me thinks that ESOC or Madrid would be a really really worthwhile thing to try and sort out. Doug Seriously now...Azores isn't a complete silly idea... Halfway for almost everyone, a motiv of interest...well it is not like Cape Canaveral on launching day but... http://www.esa.int/esaHS/SEMXN8638FE_iss_1.html#subhead3 The people are warming and welcoming and the island is really beautiful... http://www.ana-aeroportos.pt/ANAIngles/San...s+a+Visitar.htm Well...one more place to the bonfire... 
-------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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