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post Dec 24 2005, 01:24 AM
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Do they actually think they can SELL this? Even to this Congress? (Actually, I don't think they really do.)
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post Dec 28 2005, 11:40 PM
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The problem with giving the crew the *sole* call on aborts, etc., is that even during the pioneering days of Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, the spacecraft were so complex that you literally couldn't display status reports on all the systems onboard. There wasn't enough display console space (back in those pre-CRT-display days) to show everything that was happening.

So, the mission control concept evolved not from a distrust of the crew, but from the technical inability for the crew to continually monitor their own systems. It was just way safer to have the ground controllers monitoring systems.

The same is true for maneuvering -- even during Apollo, there was no way their onboard computers could maintain a moment-to-moment projection of the trajectory. (In fact, Apollo planners originally wanted to have a Return to Earth computer program that would allow the crew to plot their own return maneuvers from any point in the mission, but the onboard computer was simply too limited to be able to contain the RTE propgram along with the rest of the required programming.)

You have a very good point about deep space missions, though. When you get more than about a light-minute away, it's nearly impossible for Houston to run the flight real-time. That means that there will have to be complete monitoring of systems onboard (probably automated). It will also be *very* useful for base camp crew to act as "mission control" for EVA astronauts on Mars traverses. Apollo demonstrated the usefulness of having a mission control supoprt EVA astronauts -- I'll bet that the non-EVA crew will perform that function during Martian traverses.

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- BruceMoomaw   Nasa's New Budget Graph For The Bush Initiative...   Dec 24 2005, 01:24 AM
- - nprev   (sigh)....No, but wouldn't it be nice....   Dec 24 2005, 02:41 AM
- - dvandorn   I don't really know that NASA can sell this --...   Dec 24 2005, 02:59 AM
- - Tom Ames   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 23 2005, 08:24 PM)ht...   Dec 24 2005, 06:01 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   It's also bad for the human spirit to reduce p...   Dec 24 2005, 07:58 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 24 2005, 12:58 AM)It...   Dec 24 2005, 10:03 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 24 2005, 07:58 AM)Pa...   Dec 24 2005, 12:40 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 24 2005, 07:58 AM)It...   Dec 25 2005, 11:03 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 24 2005, 02:58 AM)It...   Dec 25 2005, 11:07 PM
- - nprev   The "boring as hell" aspect of the Moon ...   Dec 24 2005, 10:34 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 24 2005, 10:34 PM)Apollo w...   Dec 25 2005, 01:17 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (David @ Dec 24 2005, 05:17 PM)As it wa...   Dec 25 2005, 03:50 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (JRehling @ Dec 24 2005, 10:50 PM)In te...   Dec 25 2005, 04:03 AM
- - djellison   I think it's quite obvious that NASA isnt goin...   Dec 24 2005, 10:37 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 24 2005, 02:37 PM)I th...   Dec 25 2005, 04:05 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I'll have to review the details; but Luna 15 w...   Dec 25 2005, 04:22 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   It should also be noted that -- while they may hav...   Dec 25 2005, 04:24 AM
- - dvandorn   A few comments... Bruce and JRehling, most of the...   Dec 25 2005, 07:34 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 25 2005, 02:34 AM)A few...   Dec 26 2005, 07:49 AM
- - nprev   Gentlemen, your excellent responses still support ...   Dec 25 2005, 08:21 AM
- - dvandorn   Yes, framing the issues is important. That's ...   Dec 25 2005, 07:13 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 25 2005, 12:13 PM)Yes, ...   Dec 25 2005, 09:51 PM
- - dvandorn   One of the problems in using the argument "pe...   Dec 26 2005, 05:11 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 26 2005, 12:11 AM)One o...   Dec 26 2005, 06:37 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 26 2005, 05:11 AM)One o...   Dec 26 2005, 09:31 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   LJK 4-1: "As much as I think that by the time...   Dec 26 2005, 09:44 AM
|- - nprev   I absolutely understand and agree with the premise...   Dec 26 2005, 10:47 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   Bruce: A Surveyor-based Lunar sample return missi...   Dec 27 2005, 10:30 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   One of the things which has been most frustrating ...   Dec 27 2005, 11:44 PM
- - The Messenger   Perhaps a good compromise would be a obscenely ex...   Dec 27 2005, 04:10 PM
- - dvandorn   Exactly! I hear so much talk about how the IS...   Dec 27 2005, 04:23 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   You completely miss the point about the ISS -- whi...   Dec 27 2005, 10:12 PM
- - Betelgeuze   Ive been watching this forum for a long time now a...   Dec 27 2005, 11:36 PM
- - David   I don't expect this idea to be popular here (o...   Dec 28 2005, 12:31 AM
|- - nprev   As far as astronauts screwing things up goes...one...   Dec 28 2005, 03:04 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 28 2005, 03:04 AM)As far a...   Dec 28 2005, 01:09 PM
- - dvandorn   David, the crews of American manned spacecraft *ha...   Dec 28 2005, 12:50 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   David's extremely interesting note is ultimate...   Dec 28 2005, 11:37 PM
- - dvandorn   The problem with giving the crew the *sole* call o...   Dec 28 2005, 11:40 PM
- - Bob Shaw   A couple of points: Firstly, the ex-Soviet 'r...   Dec 29 2005, 12:15 AM


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