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Janus/epimetheus Orbital "swap", Planned observations? |
Dec 24 2005, 01:56 AM
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A while back I gave myself the impression (by playing with JPL Horizons) that the next instance of the famous orbital "swap" was going to take place around Jan/Feb 2006. Is that right?
I'm not familiar with the precise orbital dynamics[*], but I got the impression that the moons would become close, but not spectacularly so. (But I don't have the data in front of me now.) Does anyone know what sort of Cassini observations are planned (indeed, what if any interesting observations can be made, other than ultra-precise trajectory determination)? Any eye candy? [*] I had a quick Google, but couldn't find any good animation to help visualise what really happens, with a rotating frame or something - just this, which I'm not convinced by. Anyone know of anything better?) |
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Jan 20 2006, 10:16 PM
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I'm trying to write a description of this for a Web story but I'm not confident that I have the details exactly right. Can anybody critique this and tell me if there's any errors?
Here is how the dance works. Epimetheus and Janus are small, irregularly-shaped moons with diameters of about 120 and 180 kilometers (about 75 and 110 miles), respectively. Their orbits around Saturn are separated by only 50 kilometers (30 miles). Since Cassini arrived at Saturn, Epimetheus has been the inner of the two satellites. Because it is closer to Saturn, Epimetheus travels at a faster angular rate than Janus, so inner Epimetheus has slowly, inexorably been catching up to outer Janus. As the two have approached each other in their orbits, Epimetheus tugs on Janus from behind as Janus tugs on Epimetheus equally. The mutual tugging causes them to exchange angular momentum. Epimetheus gains momentum and rises in orbit as Janus loses an equivalent amount of momentum and falls. But this switch of orbital altitudes makes Janus -- still ahead of Epimetheus in its orbit -- the faster of the two. As a result, Janus creeps ahead. It will continue to creep slowly ahead of Epimetheus until it catches up from behind in four more years. Thanks! --Emily -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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Jan 21 2006, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 20 2006, 11:16 PM) I'm trying to write a description of this for a Web story but I'm not confident that I have the details exactly right. Can anybody critique this and tell me if there's any errors? Here is how the dance works. Epimetheus and Janus are small, irregularly-shaped moons with diameters of about 120 and 180 kilometers (about 75 and 110 miles), respectively. Their orbits around Saturn are separated by only 50 kilometers (30 miles). Since Cassini arrived at Saturn, Epimetheus has been the inner of the two satellites. Because it is closer to Saturn, Epimetheus travels at a faster angular rate than Janus, so inner Epimetheus has slowly, inexorably been catching up to outer Janus. As the two have approached each other in their orbits, Epimetheus tugs on Janus from behind as Janus tugs on Epimetheus equally. The mutual tugging causes them to exchange angular momentum. Epimetheus gains momentum and rises in orbit as Janus loses an equivalent amount of momentum and falls. But this switch of orbital altitudes makes Janus -- still ahead of Epimetheus in its orbit -- the faster of the two. As a result, Janus creeps ahead. It will continue to creep slowly ahead of Epimetheus until it catches up from behind in four more years. Thanks! --Emily You might want to add that since Janus is more massive than Epimetheus its orbital altitude decreases by less than Epimetheus' orbital altitude increases (conservation of angular momentum etc). So Janus doesn't 'occupy' Epimetheus' old orbital position and vica versa. Janus moves in but not as far in as Epimetheus' pre-event orbital radius while Epimetheus moves out past Janus' pre-event orbital radius. Four years later the event happens the other way around with Janus catching up to Epimetheus. |
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Jan 21 2006, 01:47 AM
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QUOTE (pat @ Jan 20 2006, 04:12 PM) You might want to add that since Janus is more massive than Epimetheus its orbital altitude decreases by less than Epimetheus' orbital altitude increases (conservation of angular momentum etc). So Janus doesn't 'occupy' Epimetheus' old orbital position and vica versa. Janus moves in but not as far in as Epimetheus' pre-event orbital radius while Epimetheus moves out past Janus' pre-event orbital radius. Four years later the event happens the other way around with Janus catching up to Epimetheus. Thanks, Pat, I'd forgotten about that detail. I just posted the story here. --Emily -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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Jan 22 2006, 04:40 AM
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QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 21 2006, 01:47 AM) That's a nifty little write-up, Emily. Thanks! |
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JTN Janus/epimetheus Orbital "swap" Dec 24 2005, 01:56 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (JTN @ Dec 23 2005, 05:56 PM)[*] I had ... Dec 24 2005, 05:45 PM
JTN I had another go at Horizons. Attached are some ro... Dec 24 2005, 08:35 PM
pat Current best guess is a closest approach of ~10,30... Dec 24 2005, 10:41 PM
JTN QUOTE (pat @ Dec 24 2005, 10:41 PM)Current be... Dec 24 2005, 11:35 PM
nprev QUOTE (JTN @ Dec 24 2005, 04:35 PM)Thanks... Dec 26 2005, 12:56 AM
JTN QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 26 2005, 12:56 AM)Too bad;... Dec 26 2005, 12:33 PM

nprev QUOTE (JTN @ Dec 26 2005, 05:33 AM)I don... Dec 26 2005, 06:55 PM
pat QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 26 2005, 01:56 AM)Too bad;... Dec 26 2005, 06:59 PM
nprev Hmm. Thanks, Pat and JTN.
So, just how often do t... Dec 24 2005, 10:59 PM
BruceMoomaw Yeah, it was announced the moment they were discov... Dec 26 2005, 10:49 PM
nprev Thank you very much, Bruce; that was most interest... Dec 27 2005, 12:09 AM
BruceMoomaw I've never heard of any study suggesting that ... Dec 27 2005, 08:46 AM
ustrax Can someone tell me what was going on here?...
ht... Dec 27 2005, 11:06 AM
ugordan That's one of what the spacecraft team calls ... Dec 27 2005, 11:47 AM
ustrax QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 27 2005, 11:47 AM)That... Dec 27 2005, 11:57 AM
pat It occurred to me that I should probably mention t... Dec 27 2005, 08:16 PM
Tman According Tilmann Denk, currently in Boulder (CO) ... Jan 20 2006, 12:09 PM
BrianJ Hello - my first post on UMSF !
Just wondered... Jan 22 2006, 12:53 PM
scalbers Thanks to Emily's discussion I think I'm b... Jan 21 2006, 05:46 PM
canis_minor Here's a nice long-term plot of the semimajor ... Feb 6 2006, 09:53 PM
Tman Thanks for the plot!
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