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djellison
post Dec 24 2005, 06:15 PM
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New SS Update - "December 23, 2005

Things have been going well at Gusev. We've spent most of the past week looking at a rock right next to Comanche that we call Comanche Spur. Like everything we've seen since we've descended off of Haskin Ridge, Comanche Spur has undergone very little alteration and has a lot of olivine in it. But the composition is different from what we saw at Seminole and Algonquin, so we seem to have yet another rock type at Gusev.

With the Comanche campaign wrapping up, it was decision time... Allegeny Ridge or El Dorado? We had a long meeting about that at mid-week, and the consensus decision was to head for El Dorado. We should begin the drive on about Sol 704, and we're hoping it will go quickly. Expect Spirit to do a lot of driving and (except at El Dorado) not much IDD work in the weeks ahead...."


704 is Boxing Day smile.gif

What do you think - El Dorado for New Year with a nice 6 x 3 pancam postcard....go on Jim, you know you want to wink.gif


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Bill Harris
post Dec 29 2005, 06:38 PM
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am not a geologist; but, the sharp El Dorado boundry demarkation and elevation bothers me. This looks to me more like a deposit from the weathering of a large central mass "crumbling" and flowing down and outward.


I am, and the morphology of this spot is bothersome. I can believe in wind deposition, but the boundary is remarkably sharp, and the material is being deposited on a slope and seems to be moving downslope. I'm leaning more and more in the direction of the source of dark sand being at the head of the slope.

"I think that the answer will be complex. Is this area the result of selective winnowing or deposition of the dark sand because of a unique wind pattern caused by orographic effects, or is it caused because the source material for the sand is _at_ this location, or both? We need MIs of the sand, and minerology."

Looking at the first MIs of the dark sand today, my first impression is that it looks very similar to the last MIs Spirit did at the dark rock at Comanche Spur. Are deeply weathered and crumbling outcrops of this material present at El Dorado, with the dark sand winnowed and concentrated by unique aeolian conditions?

This is indeed an odd area.

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post Dec 30 2005, 06:05 AM
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QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Dec 29 2005, 12:38 PM)
...Are deeply weathered and crumbling outcrops of this material present at El Dorado, with the dark sand winnowed and concentrated by unique aeolian conditions?
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I posted this idea quite a while back, somewhere in the many, many posts I've made at this forum. I fear it would take hours for me to try and fine it, so I'll just re-state it.

I had been looking at the orbital imagery and commented that I thought I saw a series of bench-like outcrops along the side of the hill that seemed to border the upslope side of the dark-material field. It looked to me like the benches could be the source of the dark material, since they seemed to be just as dark as the rest of the field. I was arguing that this seemed to be unique material -- much, much darker and less red than everything around it (which, we now see, it surely is).

I proposed that the dark beds could be the eroded remnants of a layer of lacustrine materials, uplfted at the base of the hills. And I thought that made what has now been named El Dorado a prime target for investigation.

I may be wrong about the lacustrine origin, but I'm surely glad we're checking it out! I would also hope that a mini-TES from this spot would be able to characterize the outctops we *do* see at the far extent of the dark sand field as either the source of the dark sand, or definitely *not* its source.

In any event, we need a decent shot at the mineralogy here, to constrain any assumptions on the origin of these sands. Until we get that, this discussion is pretty much in the energetic-arm-waving phase.

However it comes out, this is a very exciting process!

-the other Doug


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- djellison   To El Dorado...   Dec 24 2005, 06:15 PM
- - edstrick   I keep waiting for somebody who's had a few na...   Dec 25 2005, 07:11 AM
- - dvandorn   Ah, the basal geology now becomes apparent. Home ...   Dec 25 2005, 08:18 AM
- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 24 2005, 06:15 PM)New ...   Dec 26 2005, 12:20 PM
- - Toma B   QUOTE From S.S. update: ...We should begin the dri...   Dec 26 2005, 03:41 PM
- - Bill Harris   Seems to be. Here is a current NavCam showing E...   Dec 26 2005, 04:24 PM
- - Toma B   O.K. There are few new pictures at exploratorium i...   Dec 26 2005, 05:16 PM
- - edstrick   Dvandorn: "Ah, the basal geology now becomes ...   Dec 27 2005, 08:57 AM
|- - ustrax   Spirit drived a lot...It stopped at about...1/3 of...   Dec 27 2005, 10:45 AM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (ustrax @ Dec 27 2005, 10:45 AM)Spirit ...   Dec 27 2005, 02:50 PM
|- - sattrackpro   QUOTE (ustrax @ Dec 27 2005, 03:45 AM)Spirit ...   Dec 27 2005, 02:56 PM
- - Burmese   Now can they resist the urge to stop at that outcr...   Dec 27 2005, 02:51 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (Burmese @ Dec 27 2005, 02:51 PM)Now ca...   Dec 27 2005, 02:55 PM
|- - ustrax   Look what is left from the Ultreya cerimonial tote...   Dec 27 2005, 03:15 PM
|- - Marz   QUOTE (ustrax @ Dec 27 2005, 09:15 AM)Look wh...   Dec 27 2005, 10:00 PM
- - mhoward   Sol 705   Dec 27 2005, 04:03 PM
|- - Oersted   Maybe the team is hoping for a cleaning event near...   Dec 27 2005, 11:52 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   I suspect that Eldorado will - for reasons of Rove...   Dec 28 2005, 12:38 AM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Dec 28 2005, 12:38 AM)I sus...   Dec 28 2005, 02:44 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (DFinfrock @ Dec 28 2005, 03:44 AM)It l...   Dec 28 2005, 03:33 PM
|- - antoniseb   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Dec 28 2005, 10:33 AM)If th...   Dec 28 2005, 04:09 PM
|- - ustrax   New maps up: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/missi...   Dec 28 2005, 04:23 PM
|- - ustrax   Ladies & Gentlemen... We have arrived!: h...   Dec 28 2005, 04:41 PM
- - Toma B   Quick stich in Autostich....Ultreya, El Dorado wha...   Dec 27 2005, 04:09 PM
- - kanalje   Well, this is looking like it could be plenty fun,...   Dec 27 2005, 09:55 PM
- - Tesheiner   Parallax measurements for sol 704 and 705 drives g...   Dec 27 2005, 10:25 PM
- - mhoward   Some Sol 705 anaglyphs:   Dec 28 2005, 03:07 AM
- - dot.dk   QUOTE (Oersted @ Dec 27 2005, 11:52 PM)This i...   Dec 28 2005, 08:40 AM
- - Tman   http://home.shinternet.ch/gp/spirit/2P1885...6-89L...   Dec 28 2005, 12:03 PM
- - dvandorn   Yeah -- unlike some of the other dark spots in the...   Dec 28 2005, 12:08 PM
- - djellison   I dont think it is fine particles. I imagine it is...   Dec 28 2005, 12:09 PM
- - edstrick   There is a lot of really not-understood sorting an...   Dec 28 2005, 12:35 PM
- - David   Is the color-contrast seen at El Dorado similar, t...   Dec 28 2005, 01:18 PM
- - Tman   When I have a look at this mosaics from Nico, I ge...   Dec 28 2005, 01:21 PM
|- - ustrax   I see it like this, winds coming from SE, bringing...   Dec 28 2005, 01:49 PM
- - djellison   The prevailing wind is from the NNW however, look ...   Dec 28 2005, 01:51 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 28 2005, 01:51 PM)The ...   Dec 28 2005, 02:05 PM
|- - ustrax   Just forgot this, talking about volcanic sand patt...   Dec 28 2005, 02:08 PM
||- - ustrax   QUOTE (ustrax @ Dec 28 2005, 02:08 PM)Just fo...   Dec 28 2005, 02:26 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (ustrax @ Dec 28 2005, 03:05 PM)Yes Dou...   Dec 28 2005, 02:22 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (ustrax @ Dec 28 2005, 09:05 AM)Yes Dou...   Dec 28 2005, 02:36 PM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE The dunes always forms in perpendicular angl...   Dec 28 2005, 02:53 PM
- - dot.dk   WOW!!! That IS amazing!! L...   Dec 28 2005, 04:50 PM
- - dot.dk   LOOK at that!   Dec 28 2005, 04:51 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (dot.dk @ Dec 28 2005, 04:51 PM)LOOK at...   Dec 28 2005, 04:54 PM
- - Tesheiner   The full 360º navcam panorama. (390k) PD: Where...   Dec 28 2005, 05:00 PM
|- - helvick   Anybody else able to see qualitative differences i...   Dec 28 2005, 05:08 PM
||- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (helvick @ Dec 28 2005, 12:08 PM)Anybod...   Dec 28 2005, 05:25 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Dec 28 2005, 05:00 PM)The ...   Dec 28 2005, 05:09 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   Brahma beer must be inside of El Dorado So Spir...   Dec 28 2005, 05:19 PM
|- - silylene   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Dec 28 2005, 05:19 PM)Indee...   Dec 28 2005, 05:59 PM
||- - silylene   QUOTE (silylene @ Dec 28 2005, 05:59 PM)No mi...   Dec 28 2005, 06:08 PM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Dec 28 2005, 06:19 PM)Brahm...   Dec 28 2005, 08:33 PM
- - jabe   you guys are toooo fast was going to say the im...   Dec 28 2005, 05:10 PM
- - mhoward   Yeah, what was somebody saying about just skirting...   Dec 28 2005, 05:18 PM
- - Burmese   Spirit scooted several meters right into the stuff...   Dec 28 2005, 05:53 PM
|- - mars loon   QUOTE (Burmese @ Dec 28 2005, 05:53 PM)Spirit...   Dec 28 2005, 06:18 PM
|- - ToSeek   QUOTE (Burmese @ Dec 28 2005, 05:53 PM)Spirit...   Dec 28 2005, 07:41 PM
- - djellison   A full NC mosaic instead of a partial + few L7/R1 ...   Dec 28 2005, 05:58 PM
- - djellison   No microcraters suggests, one presumes at the macr...   Dec 28 2005, 06:02 PM
- - Bill Harris   That was quick. I'm speechless. The "da...   Dec 28 2005, 07:26 PM
|- - Shaka   YEEEEEEE HAAAAAA!!!! Com...   Dec 28 2005, 07:40 PM
|- - Tman   But such "oops!" would be probably h...   Dec 28 2005, 08:35 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Dec 28 2005, 02:26 PM)Th...   Dec 28 2005, 09:18 PM
- - Tesheiner   Looking uphill, the interface between the dunes to...   Dec 28 2005, 08:28 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Dec 28 2005, 03:28 PM)Look...   Dec 28 2005, 09:09 PM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Dec 28 2005, 10:09 PM)No on...   Dec 29 2005, 02:36 PM
|- - ustrax   I'm a bit lost here...Are we already at the ba...   Dec 29 2005, 03:46 PM
- - Burmese   The twitchy track Spirit left entering the dunes s...   Dec 28 2005, 08:39 PM
- - RNeuhaus   The sand is so fine and compact. Very different t...   Dec 29 2005, 04:00 AM
- - CosmicRocker   It's always so fun to see something new. I wa...   Dec 29 2005, 06:12 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Here is Tesheiner's nice pan in polar projecti...   Dec 29 2005, 07:16 AM
|- - abalone   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Dec 29 2005, 06:16 PM)He...   Dec 29 2005, 09:25 AM
- - Bill Harris   Thanks, Phil, I've been waiting for one of you...   Dec 29 2005, 09:16 AM
|- - abalone   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Dec 29 2005, 08:16 PM)Th...   Dec 29 2005, 09:28 AM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Dec 29 2005, 09:16 AM)Th...   Dec 29 2005, 10:04 AM
- - Bill Harris   Here is a .pdf of a paper on "Transverse Aeol...   Dec 29 2005, 09:32 AM
- - djellison   From the pancam site, it looks like an MI mosaic, ...   Dec 29 2005, 11:05 AM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 29 2005, 11:05 AM)From...   Dec 29 2005, 11:28 AM
|- - ustrax   This criteria for naming places in Ultreya is just...   Dec 29 2005, 11:47 AM
- - Bill Harris   No, no, no. Not that horsepucky. By vortex I mea...   Dec 29 2005, 11:48 AM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Dec 29 2005, 11:48 AM)No...   Dec 29 2005, 12:58 PM
- - Burmese   I don't think they moved Just scanning the fe...   Dec 29 2005, 03:50 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (Burmese @ Dec 29 2005, 03:50 PM)I don...   Dec 29 2005, 04:04 PM
|- - mhoward   QUOTE (ustrax @ Dec 29 2005, 04:04 PM)Yes, So...   Dec 29 2005, 05:03 PM
- - djellison   Very coarse grained stuff... http://qt.explorator...   Dec 29 2005, 04:55 PM
|- - jabe   Will fine grain sands be underneath? Great sandbo...   Dec 29 2005, 05:05 PM
- - GregJG   I am not a geologist; but, the sharp El Dorado bou...   Dec 29 2005, 05:40 PM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE am not a geologist; but, the sharp El Dorado...   Dec 29 2005, 06:38 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Dec 29 2005, 12:38 PM).....   Dec 30 2005, 06:05 AM
- - Bill Harris   Here is a 1x2 mosaic of two of the MI images from ...   Dec 30 2005, 01:19 AM
- - CosmicRocker   The individual grains are quite well rounded, whic...   Dec 30 2005, 06:52 AM
- - Bill Harris   This is an exciting time and every day brings in n...   Dec 30 2005, 09:20 AM
- - djellison   QUOTE (Me on the 24th)What do you think - El Dorad...   Dec 30 2005, 01:21 PM
- - dot.dk   It is remarkable how productive Spirit is these da...   Dec 30 2005, 02:11 PM
|- - jabe   latest pics are down..looking around at the dunes ...   Dec 30 2005, 05:50 PM
- - djellison   I think it's a 9 x 2, not a 6 x 3 I was clos...   Dec 30 2005, 06:09 PM
- - mhoward   Here's what's down so far (pretty false-co...   Dec 30 2005, 06:43 PM
|- - ustrax   Looking at the MI, and while the results don't...   Dec 30 2005, 07:39 PM
- - djellison   Mossbauer and APXS will answer those questions, bu...   Dec 30 2005, 07:52 PM
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