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tedstryk
post Dec 30 2005, 06:40 AM
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Well, it looks like I am out of business, at least for the time being. My computer suffered a catastrophic crash. I am a bit better prepared than when this happened a few years ago - more backups - but not everything is backed up (recent stuff). And I have no machine to work on. We had a big power outage today. When I rebooted, the hard drive acted funny, and then, at about 7:00 tonight, died. The recovery software I have is showing it as empty and partitioned (which is odd - my hard drive is not partitioned. I am working on some last ditch efforts before taking it to data recovery experts, but, assuming these efforts fail, I am without a functional computer. What I really hate is that my archive of family, friends, and landscape photography is mostly totally lost if I can't recover the data from the drive, as well as e-mails dating back to 1993. Ironically, I had ordered a 260 Gigabyte external drive to forever end my backup problems, and it shipped two days ago...It should be here any day now, and would have prevented loss of personal data in this. Ughhhh....


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post Dec 30 2005, 08:13 AM
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I already suffered this problem twice, so I understand your feeling.

So I insist upon everybody to make backups of everything they want to keep, even if it is a really tedious task (especially for emails, which have to be saved one per one, as Outlook Express seems unable to recover emails from a backup of its own files, even in the very improbable case we are able to locate these files). I do a backup every month, and it now requires two CDs. I also have an old hard drive that I use as a backup more frequently, so that even if my main drive is dead, I still have this one.

When my mother bought a computer (she knows nothing about it) I strongly recommended her to have windows and softs on the C: partition, and her files on the D: partition (even if most softs alway try to save data files each in the most improbable place such as in c:\program files). She also installed a CD burner, but seldom used it. When she had a software crash, she had no way but reinstalling windows in the C: partition, but she recovered all her data intact from the D: partition.

Once I had a window crash (thanks to a virus) and I had to reinstall windows, but I was able to boot on my windows installation disk and make a complete back up before reinstalling windows. But this is not possible on several laptop PCs which have "special" installation disks!!! The only problem I had was when reinstalling programs, as I did not saved the downloaded file! I had to beg for a CD of this program. So when you buy an (expensive) soft, alway: 1) have a CD backup 2)write the installation key on this CD!!

In your case tedstryk it seems that there was a survoltage or other power problem which broke your drive. It is very difficult to protect from this, and also from lightning. The only protection against lightning is to completelly disconnect the computer from both power line and phone line as soon as we hear thunder. There are some power protections which can be efficient, but only at a certain point: when lightning is close enough to make the power plugs spark, I think nothing can do.

But also it happens that Windows cannot bear a power cut. Once I lost a file like that, and had to run scandisk to purge any false entry. But bad softs too can play tricks, such as softs written in C:. This language can use indexes on the whole drive, so in case of any bad functionning it can write anywhere (anywhere will be in most case on the famous FAT, which index is near zero) and I had my first big crash like that. There is no protection against this, except... making backups.

To avoid any window problem, I tried Linux... but there are OTHERS problems there and I quickly prefered to come back to Windows!
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post Dec 31 2005, 04:03 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 30 2005, 08:13 AM)
I already suffered this problem twice, so I understand your feeling.

So I insist upon everybody to make backups of everything they want to keep, even if it is a really tedious task (especially for emails, which have to be saved one per one, as Outlook Express seems unable to recover emails from a backup of its own files, even in the very improbable case we are able to locate these files). I do a backup every month, and it now requires two CDs. I also have an old hard drive that I use as a backup more frequently, so that even if my main drive is dead, I still have this one.

When my mother bought a computer (she knows nothing about it) I strongly recommended her to have windows and softs on the C: partition, and her files on the D: partition (even if most softs alway try to save data files each in the most  improbable place such as in c:\program files). She also installed a CD burner, but seldom used it. When she had a software crash, she had no way but reinstalling windows in the C: partition, but she recovered all her data intact from the D: partition.

Once I had a window crash (thanks to a virus) and I had to reinstall windows, but I was able to boot on my windows installation disk and make a complete back up before reinstalling windows. But this is not possible on several laptop PCs which have "special" installation disks!!! The only problem I had was when reinstalling programs, as I did not saved the downloaded file! I had to beg for a CD of this program. So when you buy an (expensive) soft, alway: 1) have a CD backup 2)write the installation key on this CD!!

In your case tedstryk it seems that there was a survoltage or other power problem which broke your drive. It is very difficult to protect from this, and also from lightning. The only protection against lightning is to completelly disconnect the computer from both power line and phone line as soon as we hear thunder.  There are some power protections which can be efficient, but only at a certain point: when lightning is close enough to make the power plugs spark, I think nothing can do.

But also it happens that Windows cannot bear a power cut. Once I lost a file like that, and had to run scandisk to purge any false entry. But bad softs too can play tricks, such as softs written in C:. This language can use indexes on the whole drive, so in case of any bad functionning it can write anywhere (anywhere will be in most case on the famous FAT, which index is near zero) and I had my first big crash like that. There is no protection against this, except... making backups.

To avoid any window problem, I tried Linux... but there are OTHERS problems there and I quickly prefered to come back to Windows!
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I have confirmed from others who lost electronics that we had a power surge. But it was during a nice sunny day, not a storm, so I had no way to predict it.


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- tedstryk   Out Of Business.....   Dec 30 2005, 06:40 AM
- - deglr6328   You might have some luck trying the freezer trick....   Dec 30 2005, 08:13 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   I already suffered this problem twice, so I unders...   Dec 30 2005, 08:13 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 30 2005, 08:13 A...   Dec 31 2005, 04:03 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 31 2005, 04:03 AM)I hav...   Dec 31 2005, 07:05 AM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 30 2005, 11:03 PM)I hav...   Dec 31 2005, 09:53 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   Well Ted your loss has been a reminder to us all. ...   Jan 1 2006, 03:37 AM
- - Bill Harris   Ye golden rule: backup, and backup often. Nowaday...   Dec 30 2005, 08:47 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   Backing up with CDs can be tedious too, especially...   Dec 30 2005, 10:14 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 30 2005, 10:14 A...   Dec 31 2005, 03:48 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 31 2005, 03:48 AM)Ironi...   Dec 31 2005, 03:51 AM
|- - lyford   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 30 2005, 07:51 PM)Thank...   Dec 31 2005, 08:06 PM
- - Nix   Sorry to hear that man, that sucks. I hope you can...   Dec 30 2005, 12:53 PM
- - PhilCo126   O.K. Backup is really necessary ... but for total ...   Dec 30 2005, 01:54 PM
- - RNeuhaus   It is bad that your computer had run problems. I u...   Dec 30 2005, 03:05 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Very sorry about what happened, Ted. Perhaps some...   Dec 30 2005, 03:20 PM
- - um3k   I have 36gb worth of photographs, and about a thir...   Dec 30 2005, 03:40 PM
- - Chmee   Yes, Always backup! I have a DVD burner and n...   Dec 30 2005, 05:17 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Chmee @ Dec 30 2005, 05:17 PM)Yes, Alw...   Dec 30 2005, 05:48 PM
- - ilbasso   I got a relatively inexpensive but blazingly fast ...   Dec 30 2005, 05:52 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (ilbasso @ Dec 30 2005, 12:52 PM)I got ...   Dec 31 2005, 09:43 PM
- - lyford   Sorry to hear about your problems - good luck with...   Dec 30 2005, 06:03 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Good luck, Ted. I'm paranoid about this, like...   Dec 30 2005, 07:40 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Ted: That's rotten news. I'd like to ech...   Dec 30 2005, 10:56 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Dec 30 2005, 10:56 PM)But i...   Dec 31 2005, 07:11 AM
- - deglr6328   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 31 2005, 04:03 AM)I hav...   Dec 31 2005, 06:39 AM
- - Jeff7   I've got a SATA removable hard drive bay, and ...   Dec 31 2005, 06:57 AM
- - RNeuhaus   Ted, I have enclosed a URL where you can select s...   Dec 31 2005, 09:46 PM
- - jamescanvin   Well I now know what I'm going to do right aft...   Jan 2 2006, 11:43 PM
|- - tedstryk   Well, I am slowly recovering. My wife and I are of...   Jan 11 2006, 08:06 PM
- - Nix   Have a nice trip tedstryk. Good luck on the recove...   Jan 11 2006, 09:42 PM
|- - tedstryk   Bad news.... "Dear Mr. Stryk Unfortunately ...   Jan 28 2006, 03:21 AM
- - deglr6328   eughh horrible. sorry to hear it! I am curio...   Jan 28 2006, 04:46 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Jan 28 2006, 04:46 AM)eugh...   Jan 28 2006, 10:08 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   If push comes to shove, buy a duplicate drive off ...   Jan 28 2006, 12:54 PM
- - djellison   So sad - it's a lesson we all go thru at some ...   Jan 28 2006, 10:17 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 28 2006, 10:17 AM) So...   Jan 28 2006, 02:01 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Hey - does THIS Web site have proper backups? Too...   Jan 29 2006, 03:57 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 29 2006, 03:57 AM)He...   Jan 29 2006, 09:52 AM
|- - tedstryk   One thing I have done is dug through all my old po...   Jan 29 2006, 12:17 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 29 2006, 04:52 AM)Nahh...   Jan 29 2006, 06:28 PM
- - nprev   There are some nice USB-connected backup HDs on th...   Jan 29 2006, 06:25 AM
- - deglr6328   Whilst you may not appreciate this in your current...   Jan 31 2006, 08:41 AM
|- - ugordan   Sorry to bring out an age old thread, but I wanted...   Oct 13 2006, 06:10 PM
|- - tedstryk   Ouch...glad you retrieved your data. I back my d...   Oct 13 2006, 10:26 PM
- - nprev   Thanks for the cautionary note, UGordan. I got 3 y...   Oct 14 2006, 02:36 AM


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