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Dec 31 2005, 02:05 AM
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Any showstoppers? I would envision something similar to the upcoming Mars Science Laboratory (RTG's are a given). Lot's colder on Titan... rough on lubricants, and parts would be brittle. Not sure whether the organics would pose a problem in the way of gumming up the works, but it doesn't seem likely at liquid methane temperatures. Smaller world, lower gravity, thick atmosphere... I'm inclined to think that a simple copy of the MSL, perhaps with some added insulation, would work just fine. The only alternative I've been hearing about is a balloon-borne probe, but that doesn't allow the same level of geologic prospecting.
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Jan 1 2006, 10:04 PM
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Titan balloons have a huge advantage over balloons to any other world in the Solar System -- including our own -- for the same reason that Titanian aircraft have one: Titan's unique combination of dense atmosphere and low gravity means that you need a much smaller balloon (or much smaller wings and propellers) to stay aloft, which in turn means that you can afford to make the balloon envelope out of thicker and tougher material than for a balloon on any other world.
As for the automated control problem: this is relieved in these proposed missions by the fact that the vehicle isn't supposed to come closer than 50-100 meters of the surface -- it will instead carry 5-10 tiny sampling harpoons (the design for these has been worked out in some detail, but they clearly require and will get more work) to drop down onto the surface and then reel back in on thin cables. This system should allow sampling to be done at heights of up to 200 meters above the surface, which provides the balloon a lot more latitude in avoiding dangerous terrain features. (The harpoon heads are little tripods which will hit the surface and instantly fire a small core tube downward into the surface, with the core tube then being released from the tripod and reeled back up to the gondola after less than a second on the surface.) Given the apparent extent to which Titan's surface composition varies over long distances, this system (including using the gondola's aerial cameras for detailed reconnaissance of the types of Titanian surface features in the area) is regarded as a workable substitute for the need we would have otherwise to launch several fixed landers to different places picked out by previous orbital reconnaissance more detailed than Cassini will probably be able to do. However, clearly this whole subject is still open to lots more debate, and will get it in the near future. As for the heat from the RTG on a lander or wheeled rover affecting the surface, this can indeed be solved by putting a cone-shaped thermal shield around the RTG to divert the air which it heats straight upward, keeping it from hitting the surface. |
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algorimancer Titan Rover Dec 31 2005, 02:05 AM
Steve G QUOTE (algorimancer @ Dec 30 2005, 07:05 PM)A... Dec 31 2005, 02:13 AM
David QUOTE (algorimancer @ Dec 31 2005, 02:05 AM)S... Dec 31 2005, 03:15 AM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (David @ Dec 30 2005, 10:15 PM)And cons... Jan 2 2006, 05:23 AM
BruceMoomaw It's being seriously considered -- in fact, fo... Dec 31 2005, 04:27 AM
ermar QUOTE it might on balance be preferable to make th... Dec 31 2005, 04:52 AM
BruceMoomaw Obviously a Titan orbiter has massive utility as a... Dec 31 2005, 05:29 AM
ermar QUOTE you have to land near the north pole, or the... Dec 31 2005, 06:27 AM
tasp IIRC, one Voyager style RTG dissipates about 9000 ... Dec 31 2005, 06:29 AM
BruceMoomaw That's exactly the plan. (Interestingly, a bl... Dec 31 2005, 09:53 AM
algorimancer I'm afraid I don't have a lot of confidenc... Jan 1 2006, 02:34 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 1 2006, 04:04 PM)As ... Jan 2 2006, 01:24 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 1 2006, 05:04 PM)Tit... Jan 24 2006, 03:22 AM
ermar QUOTE How about a hovercraft?
I remember someone ... Jan 2 2006, 06:11 AM
BruceMoomaw A hovercraft, however, has one major problem that ... Jan 2 2006, 09:53 AM
Bob Shaw Bruce:
A Titan helicopter need look very little l... Jan 2 2006, 01:09 PM
tty QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 2 2006, 03:09 PM)Bruce:... Jan 2 2006, 07:19 PM
Bob Shaw FWIW, I believe that the proposed Titan helicopter... Jan 2 2006, 08:54 PM

tty QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 2 2006, 10:54 PM)FWIW, ... Jan 2 2006, 09:17 PM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (tty @ Jan 2 2006, 10:17 PM)I'm sti... Jan 3 2006, 02:39 AM

ljk4-1 Forget wheels: What about a Dante type crawler - ... Jan 3 2006, 03:35 AM
yaohua2000 QUOTE (tty @ Jan 2 2006, 07:19 PM)Power: a RT... Jan 24 2006, 03:07 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (yaohua2000 @ Jan 23 2006, 10:07 PM)Tit... Jan 24 2006, 03:26 AM
tty QUOTE (yaohua2000 @ Jan 24 2006, 05:07 AM)Tit... Jan 25 2006, 06:34 PM
EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (tty @ Jan 25 2006, 11:34 AM)CH4 + 2O2 ... Jan 28 2006, 06:01 PM
BruceMoomaw Certainly all the proposed Titan rovers or flyers ... Jan 24 2006, 11:11 AM
gpurcell I guess the way to think about some sort of floati... Jan 25 2006, 04:42 PM
EccentricAnomaly How about a slow lander or glider? With Titan... Jan 28 2006, 06:00 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Jan 28 2006, 06:00 ... Jan 28 2006, 09:55 PM
EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 28 2006, 02:55 PM)I ... Jan 29 2006, 11:49 PM

The Messenger I vote for a very large parachute, with lots of sc... Jan 30 2006, 01:46 AM


Bob Shaw QUOTE (The Messenger @ Jan 30 2006, 02:46 AM)... Jan 30 2006, 08:52 AM

Gsnorgathon QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Jan 29 2006, 11:49 ... Jan 30 2006, 06:16 AM

EccentricAnomaly I just realized the problem with a slow parachute.... Jan 31 2006, 01:19 PM

The Messenger QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Jan 31 2006, 06:19 ... Jan 31 2006, 04:47 PM


ljk4-1 How about a robot probe that moves along the groun... Jan 31 2006, 05:21 PM

tty QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Jan 31 2006, 03:19 ... Jan 31 2006, 08:01 PM

EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (tty @ Jan 31 2006, 01:01 PM)Nix - a pa... Feb 2 2006, 05:44 PM

The Messenger QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Feb 2 2006, 10:44 A... Feb 2 2006, 07:26 PM


ljk4-1 QUOTE (The Messenger @ Feb 2 2006, 02:26 PM).... Feb 2 2006, 07:31 PM

RNeuhaus QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Feb 2 2006, 12:44 P... Feb 7 2006, 08:27 PM

EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Feb 7 2006, 01:27 PM)If my ... Feb 8 2006, 08:44 PM

tty QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Feb 8 2006, 10:44 P... Feb 8 2006, 10:15 PM

EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (tty @ Feb 8 2006, 03:15 PM)You have a ... Feb 9 2006, 09:53 PM

Tom Tamlyn QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Feb 9 2006, 04:53 P... Feb 10 2006, 04:05 PM


EccentricAnomaly QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Feb 10 2006, 09:05 AM)Loo... Feb 10 2006, 05:06 PM

tty QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Feb 9 2006, 11:53 P... Feb 10 2006, 09:02 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 28 2006, 04:55 PM)I ... Jan 30 2006, 02:55 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (EccentricAnomaly @ Jan 28 2006, 06:01 ... Jan 28 2006, 09:56 PM
edstrick The Vega mission balloons were 100% successful. T... Jan 30 2006, 08:28 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, first, the balloon has already been test-inf... Jan 31 2006, 01:11 AM
BruceMoomaw As for a rover with legs instead of wheels: first,... Jan 31 2006, 01:15 AM
lyford This sounds like a job for Tumbleweed Rover!... Jan 31 2006, 01:33 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (lyford @ Jan 31 2006, 02:33 AM)This so... Jan 31 2006, 10:30 AM
mchan QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 31 2006, 02:30 AM)Why d... Feb 1 2006, 07:46 AM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (mchan @ Feb 1 2006, 08:46 AM)That woul... Feb 1 2006, 02:00 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Feb 1 2006, 09:00 AM)Before... Feb 1 2006, 02:05 PM
BruceMoomaw The Titan Organics Explorer design team is now tre... Jan 31 2006, 09:46 PM
The Messenger Thanks Bruce,
Any word on instrumentation? Are t... Feb 1 2006, 04:25 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, the payload is strictly strawman at this poi... Feb 1 2006, 07:20 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 1 2006, 12:20 AM)Wel... Feb 1 2006, 04:13 PM
lyford DOH - I am sorry Bob - I was too slow. It was eve... Feb 1 2006, 02:49 PM
ngunn Has anyone suggested a balloon (or a number of bal... Feb 2 2006, 01:42 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (The Messenger @ Feb 1 2006, 04:13 PM)T... Feb 3 2006, 03:10 AM
BruceMoomaw Actually, the thinking on a Titan orbiter as a man... Feb 7 2006, 09:32 PM
ngunn QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 7 2006, 09:32 PM)Act... Feb 8 2006, 01:38 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 8 2006, 07:38 AM)...How ca... Feb 8 2006, 03:01 PM
ngunn QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 8 2006, 03:01 PM)Man...... Feb 9 2006, 11:33 AM
BruceMoomaw The whole point about the roving multiple-landing ... Feb 8 2006, 11:19 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Feb 8 2006, 06:19 PM)The... Feb 9 2006, 04:11 AM
Bob Shaw Perhaps the way to deal with the Titan atmosphere ... Feb 9 2006, 09:37 AM
ljk4-1 I had to post this link to a science fiction novel... May 2 2006, 09:28 PM
BruceMoomaw It looks from Huygens' photos as though the bi... May 3 2006, 01:23 AM
Richard Trigaux This is why a flyer was proposed. We don't kno... May 3 2006, 06:05 AM
BruceMoomaw This particular note really belongs over in the Ve... May 3 2006, 02:42 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 3 2006, 07:42 AM... May 3 2006, 03:19 PM
djellison I wonder what sort of mission design you could do ... May 3 2006, 03:48 PM
Richard Trigaux A smaller spacecraft to visit enceladus piggybacki... May 4 2006, 06:03 AM
BruceMoomaw I can't help feeling, though, that this is one... May 4 2006, 06:35 AM
Richard Trigaux Bruce, this is again the idea of a satellite which... May 4 2006, 07:39 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, NASA has decided that, for the next few deca... May 4 2006, 09:52 AM
Richard Trigaux Well, Bruce, I understand the argument.
QUOTE (Br... May 4 2006, 12:38 PM
BruceMoomaw A subsurface radar sounder (like the one proposed ... May 4 2006, 11:18 PM
Richard Trigaux Yes Bruce, I understand that radar sounding Titan ... May 5 2006, 08:03 AM
ljk4-1 Has someone considered a Titan airship that would ... May 5 2006, 04:17 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 5 2006, 04:17 PM... May 5 2006, 04:56 PM![]() ![]() |
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