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Mystery Material Redux.
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post Jan 2 2006, 04:49 PM
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Last year I made a plea for Spirit to examine the dark material in Bonneville crater:

From: rgregorycl...@yahoo.com (Robert Clark)
Date: 20 Mar 2004 05:50:12 -0800
Subject: Mystery material in the Bonneville crater on Mars.
Newsgroups: sci.astro, alt.sci.planetary, sci.geo.geology, sci.geo.mineralogy
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.geo.geo...21ac267d592d633

Spirit was not commanded to enter the crater for fear of it being trapped by the craters steep slopes.
However, Edstrick noted that the dark sands in El Dorado resembles the dark material in Bonneville:

Non color calibrated image.

(Note: in uncalibrated images this material appears blue, but without calibration data all that can be said is that it is darker than the surrounding terrain.)

Then we may have another chance for determinining the make up of this dark material. I argue that this material may resolve one of the key questions on the mineralogy of Mars: what is the make up of the wide spread dark material seen on Mars, termed Surface Type 2 rock by Mars Global Surveyor scientists.
As I discuss in the sci.astro post, two explanations have been offered: one that it is andesitic rock, the other that it is liquid water altered basalt. Both the andesitic and weathered basalt explanations have important implications for the geologic past of Mars - the andesitic, suggesting tectonic plates may have operated on Mars, and the weathered basalt, suggesting liquid water oceans may have occurred on Mars.



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post Jan 3 2006, 11:28 AM
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I'm not a geologist, but I'll put my $5 on Olivine rich basaltic sand

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QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 3 2006, 11:28 AM)
I'm not a geologist, but I'll put my $5 on Olivine rich basaltic sand

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Yes, I'm on the olivine party too...

http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...indpost&p=33497

http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...indpost&p=33816

Could be...:

http://web.utk.edu/~tdunn/green_olivine_sand.jpg

From here:

http://web.utk.edu/~tdunn/hawaii.htm

Is it possible that the true colour of the sand might be nearer this, greener?
(mhoward, I've used one of your images...):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/ustrax/greener.jpg


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'And we got solid Mini-TES, APXS and Moessbauer data that tell us that the sands of El Dorado are composed of a very clean, olivine-rich basalt.'

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'Pretty Green Mineral -- Pretty Dry Mars?'

http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Nov03/olivine.html


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QUOTE (ustrax @ Jan 4 2006, 09:50 AM)
'Pretty Green Mineral -- Pretty Dry Mars?'

http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Nov03/olivine.html
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But then there is this:

How was the green sand beach on the Big Island, Hawaii formed? Do you know if there is another green sand beach? do all volcanoes form olivine crystals?
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/frequent_que...estion1428.html

"green sand beach" - Google Image Search
http://images.google.com/images?q=%22green+sand+beach%22



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I had already mention that green sand beach here:

http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...indpost&p=34285

But I really liked reading the article you've linked us too...
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/frequent_que...estion1428.html
So...Where's the cone?...And the water? rolleyes.gif

Is it possible that the entire inner basin area was a tuff ring?
Hello Mr. Home 'Mafic' (not 'felsic'...) Plate... rolleyes.gif

http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_...fring_page.html


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QUOTE (ustrax @ Jan 4 2006, 03:22 PM)
I had already mention that green sand beach here:

http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...indpost&p=34285

But I really liked reading the article you've linked us too...
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/frequent_que...estion1428.html
So...Where's the cone?...And the water? rolleyes.gif

Is it possible that the entire inner basin area was a tuff ring?
Hello Mr. Home 'Mafic' (not 'felsic'...) Plate... rolleyes.gif

http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_...fring_page.html
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I had earlier suggested Home Plate might be a maar.
If the flat area is indeed a maar then perhaps the nearby cones are tuff cones which like maars are created through volcanic/water interaction:

HYDROVOLCANIC ERUPTIONS
http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_...rovolcanic.html


Tuff Cone - Maar Volcano.
http://geology.about.com/library/bl/images/bltuffcone.htm


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post Jan 5 2006, 07:11 AM
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QUOTE (RGClark @ Jan 4 2006, 05:25 PM)
I had earlier suggested Home Plate might be a maar.
If the flat area is indeed a maar then perhaps the nearby cones are tuff cones which like maars are created through volcanic/water interaction:

HYDROVOLCANIC ERUPTIONS
http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_...rovolcanic.html
Tuff Cone - Maar Volcano.
http://geology.about.com/library/bl/images/bltuffcone.htm
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There is a link to a microscope image of the Green Beach sand here:

Beach Sand from Green Sand Beach, Mahana Bay, Hawaii.
http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/sands/sand286.html


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- RGClark   Mystery Material Redux.   Jan 2 2006, 04:49 PM
- - Bill Harris   My feeling is that this deposit at El Dorado is si...   Jan 2 2006, 05:09 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Jan 2 2006, 05:09 PM)My ...   Jan 3 2006, 02:08 AM
- - Bill Harris   I don't know at this point; there is a common ...   Jan 3 2006, 02:27 AM
- - CosmicRocker   I think the dust devil trails are dark because the...   Jan 3 2006, 04:08 AM
- - djellison   I'm not a geologist, but I'll put my ...   Jan 3 2006, 11:28 AM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 3 2006, 11:28 AM)I...   Jan 3 2006, 12:05 PM
|- - ustrax   Is it possible that all this sand might have been ...   Jan 3 2006, 02:11 PM
||- - ustrax   QUOTE (ustrax @ Jan 3 2006, 02:11 PM)Is it po...   Jan 3 2006, 02:49 PM
||- - ustrax   And maybe we're going to check it out... ht...   Jan 3 2006, 03:52 PM
|- - ustrax   'And we got solid Mini-TES, APXS and Moessbaue...   Jan 4 2006, 09:29 AM
|- - ustrax   'Pretty Green Mineral -- Pretty Dry Mars?...   Jan 4 2006, 09:50 AM
||- - RGClark   QUOTE (ustrax @ Jan 4 2006, 09:50 AM)'Pre...   Jan 4 2006, 03:03 PM
||- - ustrax   I had already mention that green sand beach here: ...   Jan 4 2006, 03:22 PM
||- - RGClark   QUOTE (ustrax @ Jan 4 2006, 03:22 PM)I had al...   Jan 4 2006, 05:25 PM
||- - RGClark   QUOTE (RGClark @ Jan 4 2006, 05:25 PM)I had e...   Jan 5 2006, 07:11 AM
|- - RGClark   QUOTE (ustrax @ Jan 4 2006, 09:29 AM)'And...   Jan 4 2006, 01:35 PM
- - edstrick   My expectation is that the el Dorado material is -...   Jan 3 2006, 11:29 AM
- - dot.dk   QUOTE (RGClark @ Jan 4 2006, 01:35 PM)Where w...   Jan 4 2006, 01:47 PM
- - Bill Harris   In a warm and humid environment, olivine will be t...   Jan 4 2006, 03:36 PM
|- - chris   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Jan 4 2006, 03:36 PM)In ...   Jan 4 2006, 05:52 PM
- - Bill Harris   When I think "warm" I'm thinking tha...   Jan 5 2006, 02:26 AM


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