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Could We Make A "solar Still" On Mars?
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post Jan 4 2006, 04:21 PM
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Mars Odyssey hydrogen-content measurements have shown seasonal deposition of water/ice on Mars even at equatorial locations. This has been confirmed by the Opportunity rover in Meridiani by the observation of early morning frost on the rover:

More on "Frost on the rover solar panels".
http://bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=323577&postcount=6

This deposition of frost at Meridiani corresponded to the observation of clouds over the site during the local Winter:

Mars Rovers Spot Water-Clue Mineral, Frost, Clouds.
13-Dec-2004
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/pre.../20041213a.html

Since clouds have also been seen over the site during the current Summer season, I argue this should also correspond to water/ice deposition currently at the Meridiani landing site:

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Summer clouds over Meridiani?
Posted by Robert Clark on 12/31/2005 6:56:40 PM
http://habitablezone.com/space/messages/409185.html

The "Mars Rovers Spot Water-Clue Mineral, Frost, Clouds" press release showed the frost forming in early morning in the Winter season. The image of the frost was taken 11 minutes after sunrise, and a subsequent image showed the frost had burned off 3 hours later due to rising temperatures.
Perhaps the clouds in the images in the current season appear at night because of the coldness at night during this current Summer period. Then we might expect the greatest water/ice deposition to also occur at night.
Could the mini-TES detect H2O on the rover at night? Could we for example compare the spectra at night to the morning spectra?
Another experiment I suggest to try would be to press down with the RAT at night and keep the area covered till early morning. Then uncover the area soon after sunrise to see if there are any remaining signs of moisture.
This may have what occurred at the Gusev landing site with the Spirit rover landing bags with the observation of the "magic carpet" mud-like material. The Gusev landing occurred within the period that the Mars Odyssey readings showed the greatest water/ice deposition occurs during southern Summer. Then the landing bags covering the soil may have allowed deposited water/ice to be retained against sublimation/evaporation. When the bags were pulled away, moist soil would have been revealed.
That this deposition occurs may provide a means of obtaining water for consumption or fuel (hydrogen through electrolysis) by future manned missions. The method of a "solar still" allows water vapor in the air to be collected and condensed to liquid water even in desert regions:

Desert Survival
Collect Water in a Solar Still.
http://www.desertusa.com/mag98/dec/stories/water.html


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post Feb 16 2006, 01:39 AM
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The OMEGA infrared instrument on Mars Express has also observed a seasonal variation in hydration on the Martian surface:

OBSERVATION OF 3 mu-m HYDRATION FEATURE ON MARS FROM OMEGA-MEx DATA.
D. Jouglet1, F. Poulet1, J. Mustard2, R. Milliken2, J.P. Bibring1, Y. Langevin1, B. Gondet1 and the OMEGA team.
1IAS, Université Paris 11, 91405 Orsay Cedex, France, ****@ias.u-psud.fr. 2Brown University,
Providence, USA.
Lunar and Planetary Science XXXVII (2006) 1741.pdf
"The temporal evolution of soil hydration is
therefore not due to an instrumental effect. We have
checked on TES results from 1999 to 2004 [10] that dust
opacity and water-ice opacity are constant between the
two observations. This suggests that the temporal
evolution is not due to aerosols in atmosphere. We may
explain it by the presence of water frost during winter,
shown by OMEGA observations [1]. The winter frost has
probably enriched the hydration of minerals as seen at
the beginning of spring (after the end of the frost
sublimation). During all spring and during the beginning
of summer, the surface goes back to equilibrium with the
atmosphere, decreasing its hydration as seen at the
beginning of summer."
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2006/pdf/1741.pdf

This variation though was observed at high latitudes 40N to 60N. They also apparently believe this observed variation can be explained simply by surface deposited water.


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- RGClark   Could We Make A "solar Still" On Mars?   Jan 4 2006, 04:21 PM
- - Bob Shaw   Bob: Interesting thoughts - and, personally, I ca...   Jan 4 2006, 09:58 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 4 2006, 01:58 PM)Intere...   Jan 4 2006, 10:27 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jan 4 2006, 11:27 PM)It w...   Jan 4 2006, 11:01 PM
|- - RGClark   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jan 4 2006, 10:27 PM)It w...   Jan 5 2006, 12:37 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (RGClark @ Jan 4 2006, 04:37 PM)Note th...   Jan 5 2006, 12:53 AM
|- - RGClark   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jan 5 2006, 12:53 AM)You...   Jan 5 2006, 06:45 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (RGClark @ Jan 4 2006, 10:45 PM)In rega...   Jan 5 2006, 03:34 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jan 5 2006, 04:34 PM)If y...   Jan 5 2006, 05:44 PM
|- - mwolff   QUOTE (RGClark @ Jan 5 2006, 01:45 AM)My inte...   Jan 16 2006, 05:12 PM
||- - RGClark   QUOTE (mwolff @ Jan 16 2006, 05:12 PM)The thr...   Jan 18 2006, 08:54 PM
||- - RGClark   QUOTE (mwolff @ Jan 16 2006, 05:12 PM)... 3) ...   Jan 19 2006, 03:54 AM
||- - Bob Shaw   From Space.Com - snow and glaciation on Mars: htt...   Jan 20 2006, 09:08 AM
||- - RGClark   I am informed that for technical reasons the rover...   Jan 20 2006, 03:24 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   Bob: I think we *do* have circumstantial evidence...   Jan 20 2006, 10:00 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   More on Martian precipitation: http://www.spacefl...   Jan 21 2006, 05:02 PM
|- - mwolff   QUOTE (RGClark @ Jan 5 2006, 01:45 AM)In rega...   Jan 16 2006, 05:18 PM
- - glennwsmith   RGClark, Your idea is damned good -- I think one ...   Jan 18 2006, 07:33 AM
- - RGClark   The following reports to be presented to the 2006 ...   Feb 12 2006, 02:23 AM
- - RGClark   The mini-TES on the rovers has confirmed what was ...   Feb 12 2006, 03:54 PM
- - RGClark   The OMEGA infrared instrument on Mars Express has ...   Feb 16 2006, 01:39 AM


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