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Rev 20 Iapetus Non-targeted Jan 25,06, Flyby Discussion |
Jan 4 2006, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE Here's what extrapolating the current SPICE kernels yields: IAPETUS 2005 NOV 12 14:34:49 185078153 415,451 km arcmin=12.1 IAPETUS 2006 JAN 25 21:13:08 191495653 873,345 km arcmin=5.7 IAPETUS 2006 APR 11 17:16:28 198047853 602,419 km arcmin=8.3 IAPETUS 2007 SEP 10 12:31:28 242699553 1,259 km arcmin=2186.8 Posted by jmknapp This time a little further out. Jan. 2006 - 879,000 km - 5.3 km/pixel - eastern Cassini Region and transition zone, part ofthe "moat" posted by VP If anyone has made a animation of the encounter please post it! |
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Jan 10 2006, 12:30 AM
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Jan 10 2006, 01:07 AM
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Jan 10 2006, 02:22 AM
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QUOTE (Michael Capobianco @ Jan 9 2006, 05:07 PM) Yes, this map shows the dotted line north of the moat much better than the official one. I'd be interested in seeing an exogenous explanation for it. Michael I agree. In fact, I'd be interested in seeing a purely endogenous explanation, too! (I'll interject here, high in my message: continued great work by Steve Albers!) A purely endogenous explanation (eg, the ridge is a Europa/Enceladus style rift that sprayed the dark stuff out over hundreds of km, painting the surface) is going to have a very hard time explaining the patchy irregularities in eastern CR. One possibility (but a reach) is that the terrain is so extremely rugged that at the furthest reaches of the spray, when the material is coming in almost tangential to the geoid, that pronounced and bizarre topography could allow almost arbitrary complexity in the boundary. Really, any "geyser"ish explanation demands that. And sure enough, we know that Iapetus has, in general, appreciably nonspheroidal topography. But we won't be able to characterize the topography of eastern CR within the primary mission -- that would have to remain an ad hoc explanation. Even that seems to strain credulity at the Snowman craters, where the topography can only be so irregular (is a crater still vaguely bowl-shaped or not)? We can similarly (almost!) reject the exogenous explanations that have Iapetus having passed (in one event or many) through a cloud of material. The bizarre boundary of eastern CR is implausible in that case. An endogenous explanation holding that the dark stuff flooded upwards can already be rejected. The northern boundary clearly shows that the dark stuff was emplaced by ballistic delivery from the south. I think we're going to be left to conclude that the material sprayed outward from the surface of Iapetus, within what is now CR, in a fashion much more energetic and irregular than geysers could plausibly explain, and that some sort of impact event led to the staining of Iapetus. The remaining flybys are going to show us western CR at very high resolution, and the southern boundary at decent resolution. We will not see the eastern/Snowman region in very high resolution (and sunlight rather than saturnshine) at all during the primary mission -- excepting decent coverage as Cassini departs the Sept. 2007 flyby and eventually the Snowman will rotate in. For the sake of discussing whether or not Iaptus merits more flybys in the extended mission, I think not. The remaining flybys are going to show so much of the hardly-seen boundaries of CR at higher resolution that I can't see dedicating another flyby to finish the almost-complete map. ALTHOUGH, the one portion of the border that will not be mapped may be the single most intriguing! The big Snowman crater will be seen at about 1.3 million km distance in Sept 2007. A flyby to see that same region at higher resolution seems like a big cost for a small gain. In the absence of other reasons to have apoapsis be so far out, I would expect the extended mission to pull the apoapsis way in, so Titan encounters happen much more frequently, and the RADAR mapping can add a swath or two per month instead of a swath every few months. |
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Jan 11 2006, 01:18 AM
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 10 2006, 02:22 AM) Even that seems to strain credulity at the Snowman craters, where the topography can only be so irregular (is a crater still vaguely bowl-shaped or not)? We can similarly (almost!) reject the exogenous explanations that have Iapetus having passed (in one event or many) through a cloud of material. The bizarre boundary of eastern CR is implausible in that case. It looks like two of the Saturn-shine images looking from different angles at the Snowman crater could be reprojected in such a way to provide an interesting stereo pair. In the course of looking at experimental map images, I had switched between the two and a surprisingly deep Snowman crater popped out at me. Perhaps at some point I can try to provide two such images unless someone else beats me to it. The large angles involved may actually exaggerate the stereo effect. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jan 11 2006, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE (scalbers @ Jan 11 2006, 03:18 AM) It looks like two of the Saturn-shine images looking from different angles at the Snowman crater could be reprojected in such a way to provide an interesting stereo pair. In the course of looking at experimental map images, I had switched between the two and a surprisingly deep Snowman crater popped out at me. Perhaps at some point I can try to provide two such images unless someone else beats me to it. The large angles involved may actually exaggerate the stereo effect. Stereo images sounds quite interesting ... I always wondered about the 'missing' central peak in the Saturn-shine images of the Snowman ... ![]() ...there should be something very huge... ![]() Low contrast does explain this disappearance, but it also shows how misleading these Saturn-shine images can be. Thinking about the equatorial ridge, I wouldn't be surprised if it is hidden in this low contrast pic. A white (and following dark) linear structure beginning southwest of the largest Snowman crater could be a hint. I'm very keen on seeing these stereo-images.... |
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Decepticon Rev 20 Iapetus Non-targeted Jan 25,06 Jan 4 2006, 06:16 PM
Decepticon If possible can a MOD fix my date I put 15th inste... Jan 4 2006, 06:20 PM
volcanopele Fixed Jan 4 2006, 07:20 PM
Decepticon Sorry I sould have said in topic heading, the enco... Jan 4 2006, 08:59 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 4 2006, 01:59 PM)Sorr... Jan 4 2006, 09:07 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 4 2006, 02:16 PM)If a... Jan 5 2006, 04:30 PM
Bjorn Jonsson QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 4 2006, 06:16 PM)If a... Jan 5 2006, 04:57 PM
TritonAntares Here the planned ISS-observations between january ... Jan 8 2006, 09:25 PM
TritonAntares Some additional information:
Start UTC __________... Jan 8 2006, 11:56 PM
scalbers Speaking of Iapetus maps, I'm fine-tuning an u... Jan 9 2006, 07:42 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 9 2006, 10:22 PM)The re... Jan 10 2006, 11:22 AM

JRehling QUOTE (jmknapp @ Jan 10 2006, 03:22 AM)The in... Jan 10 2006, 07:39 PM

JRehling QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Jan 11 2006, 03:05 AM)... Jan 12 2006, 05:49 AM

Michael Capobianco I spent an hour trying to make a stereo image from... Jan 12 2006, 05:54 PM
Tom Tamlyn QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 9 2006, 09:22 PM)A pure... Jan 12 2006, 04:24 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, during the planning for the primary mission ... Jan 10 2006, 03:13 AM
alan QUOTE (Michael Capobianco @ Jan 9 2006, 07:07... Jan 10 2006, 04:20 AM
Michael Capobianco Very interesting explanation. I'm not convince... Jan 10 2006, 07:03 PM
volcanopele Another reasonable explanation for bright, polewar... Jan 10 2006, 07:18 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jan 10 2006, 03:18 PM)An... Jan 10 2006, 07:46 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (jmknapp @ Jan 10 2006, 12:46 PM)Do you... Jan 10 2006, 08:02 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jan 10 2006, 04:02 PM)Ga... Jan 13 2006, 02:16 PM
elakdawalla I listened to a couple of talks at DPS that had be... Jan 10 2006, 07:58 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 10 2006, 12:58 PM)I ... Jan 10 2006, 10:18 PM
tasp QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 10 2006, 01:58 PM)I ... Jan 11 2006, 12:36 AM
Rob Pinnegar The notion posted above, regarding Hyperion's ... Jan 11 2006, 02:24 PM
ugordan It seems to me thermal conditions on Hyperion... Jan 11 2006, 02:51 PM

JRehling QUOTE (ugordan @ Jan 11 2006, 06:51 AM)As far... Jan 11 2006, 09:27 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Jan 11 2006, 10:24 AM)T... Jan 12 2006, 01:41 PM
JRehling QUOTE (jmknapp @ Jan 12 2006, 05:41 AM)Rather... Jan 12 2006, 03:02 PM
alan QUOTE Forgive me, but I'm having a little trou... Jan 12 2006, 05:05 AM
Tom Tamlyn QUOTE (alan @ Jan 12 2006, 12:05 AM)CR = Cass... Jan 13 2006, 03:37 AM
tasp In regards to Hyperion, given the chaotic rotation... Jan 12 2006, 03:34 PM
JRehling QUOTE (tasp @ Jan 12 2006, 07:34 AM)In regard... Jan 12 2006, 06:08 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 12 2006, 06:08 PM)Chaot... Jan 13 2006, 12:37 PM
Phil Stooke The supposed chaotic rotation of Hyperion was only... Jan 13 2006, 01:09 PM
Rob Pinnegar A couple of points:
(1) Has anyone given much con... Jan 13 2006, 04:00 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Jan 13 2006, 05:00 PM)F... Jan 14 2006, 11:00 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Jan 13 2006, 08:00 AM)A... Jan 16 2006, 06:50 PM
TritonAntares Here some info about the transmission times - name... Jan 20 2006, 12:32 AM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 16 2006, 12:50 PM)I can... Jan 20 2006, 11:47 PM
tasp QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Jan 20 2006, 05:47 PM)B... Jan 21 2006, 06:53 AM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (tasp @ Jan 21 2006, 12:53 AM)Possibly ... Jan 21 2006, 04:34 PM
hubdel11 Let's go !
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mult... Jan 21 2006, 06:40 PM
Decepticon Looks like something whizzed by the camera on this... Jan 21 2006, 07:27 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 21 2006, 08:27 PM)Loo... Jan 21 2006, 07:33 PM
TritonAntares Two new Iapetus images released.
Here is one:
... Jan 23 2006, 10:46 PM
TritonAntares Another series of 49 Iapetus images has been relea... Jan 24 2006, 11:11 PM
ugordan Check out this Jan 24 image from 954 000 km. What ... Jan 25 2006, 07:04 PM
TritonAntares QUOTE (ugordan @ Jan 25 2006, 09:04 PM)Check ... Jan 25 2006, 07:50 PM
TritonAntares 13 new Iapetus images released;
one takeout:
Date... Jan 26 2006, 08:12 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Jan 26 2006, 04:12 PM)... Jan 27 2006, 03:26 PM
TritonAntares QUOTE (jmknapp @ Jan 27 2006, 05:26 PM)In pol... Jan 27 2006, 05:06 PM
nprev QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Jan 27 2006, 10:06 AM)... Jan 28 2006, 06:31 AM

tasp QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 28 2006, 12:31 AM)Iapetus ... Jan 29 2006, 03:34 AM

TritonAntares QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 28 2006, 08:31 AM)Is that ... Jan 29 2006, 10:24 PM

nprev QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Jan 29 2006, 03:24 PM)... Jan 29 2006, 10:50 PM

TritonAntares QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 30 2006, 12:50 AM)Whups... Jan 30 2006, 12:46 AM

TritonAntares Another 13 Iapetus cresents released...
Two takeo... Jan 30 2006, 08:57 AM

Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Jan 29 2006, 06:46 PM)... Jan 30 2006, 03:17 PM

TritonAntares QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Jan 30 2006, 05:17 PM)T... Jan 30 2006, 03:41 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Jan 27 2006, 01:06 PM)... Jan 28 2006, 11:52 AM
TritonAntares Another 13 new Iapetus images released...
Two ta... Jan 29 2006, 05:30 PM

Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Jan 29 2006, 11:30 AM)... Jan 29 2006, 05:49 PM
TritonAntares QUOTE (jmknapp @ Jan 28 2006, 01:52 PM)...
I... Feb 2 2006, 08:17 PM

TritonAntares Greuti - a member of a german forum - kindly simul... Feb 3 2006, 11:40 AM

Tman QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Feb 3 2006, 12:40 PM)G... Feb 3 2006, 08:25 PM
TritonAntares QUOTE (jmknapp @ Jan 28 2006, 12:52 PM) .... Mar 7 2006, 02:23 AM
Decepticon Can that area be associated with the Basin imaged ... Jan 26 2006, 11:42 PM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 26 2006, 05:42 PM)Can... Jan 27 2006, 12:24 AM
TritonAntares QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 27 2006, 01:42 AM)Can... Jan 27 2006, 01:02 AM
Decepticon Hogland is gonna have a Hay Day with this.
Last w... Jan 28 2006, 05:04 AM
nprev QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jan 27 2006, 10:04 PM)Hog... Jan 28 2006, 06:27 AM
Toma B Here are images from latest non-targeted Iapetus f... Jan 28 2006, 08:12 AM
Decepticon Cool! I was waiting to see something like that... Jan 28 2006, 08:18 AM
scalbers Thanks to Toma in post #65 for that great montage.... Jan 28 2006, 09:17 PM
nprev Tasp, you're too kind..thanks!
Well, if... Jan 29 2006, 06:09 AM
Rob Pinnegar One more thing...
Take a look at the image of Ia... Jan 29 2006, 06:21 PM
TritonAntares QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Jan 29 2006, 08:21 PM)T... Jan 29 2006, 10:09 PM
Phil Stooke Steve Albers suggested a long time ago that I post... Jan 30 2006, 01:52 PM
Toma B Here is final version of image covering Iapetus no... Jan 30 2006, 11:22 PM
tasp QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 30 2006, 05:22 PM)Here is... Jan 31 2006, 12:46 AM
tasp QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 30 2006, 05:22 PM)Here is... Jan 31 2006, 02:32 AM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (tasp @ Jan 30 2006, 08:32 PM)Is it pos... Jan 31 2006, 03:53 PM
scalbers Here's an Iapetus map update, including the 95... Feb 1 2006, 12:11 AM
Decepticon I got my fingers crossed for some saturnshine imag... Mar 7 2006, 03:31 AM![]() ![]() |
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