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Jan 5 2006, 05:57 PM
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Just got tipped off to this story
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006 Here is the paper http://www.uibk.ac.at/c/cb/cb26/heim/theor...sicsaip2005.pdf They could feasibly have a prototype within 5 years!!! Happy New Year indeed everyone. |
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Feb 19 2006, 10:49 AM
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As Carl Sagan always said ' 99% of the speed of light would be fine '
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Apr 22 2006, 07:40 AM
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Did someone noticed this article?
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/explorat..._spaceship.html If is serious (and it seems) I'm really disappointed; we know that antimatter is the best space fuel, but only theorically and I was convinced that should remain a SF matter for many, many years... at least, until we colonize solar system and start to think to interstellar missions! Now they want to use for a Mars manned mission; idea is very intriguing, but seems a little bit crazy too... We never created large amounts of antimatter (and 0.01g is a "large" amount), efficieny prodution is very low and safety issues would be huge during production, storage, launch and mission. I think a moon base should be best place to make antimatter, while on Earth should be forbidden. I'm especially scared by possible military and terroristic use of it (consider that you can make a megaton bomb with only 1 gram of antimatter)... in fact, if you go at the positronics site, they talks about "national defense and security" applications and "portable/compact storage devices" too! Very scaring to me! I would know other impressions. -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Apr 22 2006, 05:04 PM
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Did someone noticed this article? http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/explorat..._spaceship.html (snip) I would know other impressions. Yes, the simple figure 0.01gr of positrons = 1 trip to Mars is very impressive! But there are some drawbacks... -0.01 gr of positrons are a huge electrical charge, and they repell each other with forces of millions of tons, far beyond any magnetic force we can do -the magnetic confinment would weight thousands tons -the cost would be much higher than with conventionnal rockets -the crew would need a heavy shield -etc So this sounds still VERY VERY speculative. We shall not see soon positronic spaceships... nor positronic bombs. |
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Apr 23 2006, 09:35 PM
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So this sounds still VERY VERY speculative. We shall not see soon positronic spaceships... nor positronic bombs. ...nor positronic brains! (do you know Data character?) -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Apr 23 2006, 09:56 PM
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About the only vaguely feasible fast rocket system I've come across is VASIMR, and I was thinking about it earlier today not so much with regard to pushing spacecraft about as to moving asteroids. I'm sure everyone has heard of the innovative 'gravitational tractor' concept, but I wondered whether it would be possible to create some sort of localised magnetospheric 'parachute' on the surface of an asteroid which might either repel charged particles or attract them. If you had a solar-powered system which charged capacitors then let go that stored energy in a series of pulses as the asteroid rotated then perhaps it might be possible to modify the orbit of a small body, even an Itokawa-class rock-pile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_spec...toplasma_rocket Any thoughts? Bob Shaw
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Marslauncher Earth To Mars In 3hrs **no Joke** Jan 5 2006, 05:57 PM
Bill Harris Be careful... we don't want _them_ to find us.... Jan 5 2006, 06:22 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Marslauncher @ Jan 5 2006, 05:57 PM)Th... Jan 5 2006, 06:24 PM
Bob Shaw This is the subject of the lead article in the 7 J... Jan 5 2006, 06:26 PM
Bob Shaw I just had a brief look at the paper itself, which... Jan 5 2006, 06:43 PM
Richard Trigaux This seems too nice to be true.
I read most of th... Jan 5 2006, 08:58 PM
Decepticon "Sulu ahead warp factor 6...Engage!" Jan 5 2006, 09:11 PM
RNeuhaus With this, we will be able to warp to follow to th... Jan 5 2006, 09:43 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jan 5 2006, 09:43 PM)With t... Jan 6 2006, 07:06 AM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jan 6 2006, 02:06 AM... Jan 6 2006, 04:32 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jan 6 2006, 11:32 AM)Many t... Jan 6 2006, 05:32 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 12:32 PM)A p... Jan 6 2006, 05:38 PM
nprev A slim chance is better than none...and we really ... Jan 5 2006, 11:26 PM
Stephen QUOTE (Marslauncher @ Jan 5 2006, 05:57 PM)Ju... Jan 6 2006, 01:52 AM
ljk4-1 My questions - assuming for a moment this method e... Jan 6 2006, 02:31 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 02:31 AM)* H... Jan 6 2006, 06:46 AM
chris QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 02:31 AM)* H... Jan 6 2006, 10:43 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (chris @ Jan 6 2006, 02:43 AM)There is ... Jan 7 2006, 09:05 PM
deglr6328 Ughh. Is anyone else having visions of the Podklet... Jan 6 2006, 06:09 AM
abalone We could use cold fusion to power it, but dont let... Jan 6 2006, 09:57 AM
edstrick We *know* Einstein's relativity is incomplete.... Jan 6 2006, 10:40 AM
abalone QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 6 2006, 09:40 PM)We *kn... Jan 6 2006, 11:57 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 6 2006, 10:40 AM)We *kn... Jan 6 2006, 11:58 AM
dvandorn I don't think we're barking up the right t... Jan 6 2006, 11:57 AM
chris QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 6 2006, 11:57 AM)And, B... Jan 6 2006, 03:20 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (chris @ Jan 6 2006, 10:20 AM)To say no... Jan 6 2006, 03:22 PM
ljk4-1 Some major tidbits from the New Scientist article:... Jan 6 2006, 04:15 PM

Bob Shaw QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 05:15 PM)So ... Jan 6 2006, 11:01 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 04:22 PM)May... Jan 6 2006, 10:52 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 6 2006, 05:52 PM)That j... Jan 7 2006, 02:37 AM
nprev QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 07:37 PM)So ... Jan 7 2006, 03:11 AM
Myran QUOTE Richard Trigaux said: "....although it ... Jan 6 2006, 02:33 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Myran @ Jan 6 2006, 02:33 PM)You refer... Jan 6 2006, 04:35 PM
nprev There certainly seems to be a confluence of both n... Jan 6 2006, 11:24 PM
Richard Trigaux What disturbs me the most in this theory is not th... Jan 7 2006, 08:04 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jan 7 2006, 03:04 PM... Jan 7 2006, 08:38 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 7 2006, 08:38 PM)The... Jan 7 2006, 10:53 PM
exoplanet QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jan 7 2006, 08:04 PM... Jan 7 2006, 10:18 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (exoplanet @ Jan 7 2006, 10:18 PM)Exact... Jan 7 2006, 11:35 PM
ljk4-1 Two Internet sources on Heim:
http://www.heim-the... Jan 8 2006, 04:28 PM
RNeuhaus No matter what Heim's has published, I do beli... Jan 9 2006, 04:06 PM
ljk4-1 The Centauri Dreams Web site has an article and li... Jan 9 2006, 06:44 PM
Richard Trigaux To be noted in this:
Heim work may be false, we c... Jan 9 2006, 07:01 PM
ljk4-1 Marc Millis on Hyperspace Propulsion
Centauri Dre... Jan 11 2006, 10:40 PM
ljk4-1 General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract... Jan 16 2006, 06:03 PM
Richard Trigaux An interesting test of Heim theories could come fr... Jan 22 2006, 10:25 AM
Bob Shaw I thought that during the T-Tauri phase there *wer... Jan 22 2006, 02:53 PM
ljk4-1 Astrophysics, abstract
astro-ph/0512117
From: Jos... Jan 30 2006, 07:26 PM
ljk4-1 http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=541
On Travel C... Feb 14 2006, 05:56 PM
ljk4-1 'Antigravity' Propulsion System Proposed
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ugordan QUOTE (dilo @ Apr 22 2006, 08:40 AM) cons... Apr 22 2006, 04:54 PM
tasp I am reserving judgment on whether or not Vasimir ... Apr 24 2006, 01:01 AM
ljk4-1 Another possible antimatter space drive concept is... Apr 24 2006, 03:13 PM
DonPMitchell I looked at some of Heim's work, and I believe... May 9 2006, 09:05 PM
helvick QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 9 2006, 10:05 P... May 9 2006, 09:18 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 9 2006, 09:05 P... May 10 2006, 08:10 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ May 10 2006, 01... May 10 2006, 11:15 AM
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Bob Shaw QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ May 10 2006, 01... May 10 2006, 05:42 PM

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Richard Trigaux QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 10 2006, 11:15 ... May 11 2006, 09:27 AM
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Richard Trigaux QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 11 2006, 12:07 ... May 11 2006, 01:08 PM
DonPMitchell Yes. I agree.
A year ago, the BBC found my Vener... May 11 2006, 06:43 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 11 2006, 06:43 ... May 11 2006, 07:03 PM
edstrick In particular, regarding theories of massive rapid... May 11 2006, 08:51 AM
BruceMoomaw Anybody dumb enough to still believe in human prog... May 12 2006, 01:27 AM
DonPMitchell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 11 2006, 06:27 P... May 12 2006, 03:03 AM
nprev QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 11 2006, 08:03 ... May 12 2006, 04:47 AM
Richard Trigaux Good analysis too, nprev.
Especially the beginni... May 12 2006, 06:45 AM
DonPMitchell Science is a complex issue in America. Nerds may ... May 12 2006, 04:57 PM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 12 2006, 04:57 ... May 12 2006, 05:23 PM
RNeuhaus QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 11 2006, 01:43 ... May 12 2006, 02:42 AM
Richard Trigaux QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ May 12 2006, 02:42 AM) ... May 12 2006, 05:58 AM
ljk4-1 It may be easier to make antimatter in space by co... May 24 2006, 09:15 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 24 2006, 10:15 P... May 24 2006, 09:32 PM
tty QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 24 2006, 11:32 PM) ... May 25 2006, 05:36 PM
tty QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 24 2006, 11:32 PM) ... May 25 2006, 05:50 PM
DonPMitchell I see NASA defunded Marc Millis a while ago. I be... May 24 2006, 09:52 PM
Stephen QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 24 2006, 09:52 ... May 25 2006, 02:49 AM
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