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Primary Target For Extended Mission
What should be Cassini's primary focus for an extended mission?
What should be Cassini's primary focus for an extended mission?
Titan [ 58 ] ** [59.18%]
Enceladus [ 18 ] ** [18.37%]
Iapetus [ 12 ] ** [12.24%]
Saturn (Rings/atmosphere) [ 6 ] ** [6.12%]
Other [ 4 ] ** [4.08%]
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imran
post Jan 6 2006, 04:32 PM
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Whether this is a two-year extension or longer I'd still have to go with Titan. There is so much of this world which we don't understand and have only begun to unveil that it begs us to focus our attention on this dynamic world. Some important questions that may only be answered with additional flybys:

- What is the source of methane in the atmosphere?
- Are there any bodies of liquids on the surface?
- Is there active precipitation?
- Is Titan geologically active, i.e. cryvolcanism, tectonism, etc?
- What is the extent of the organics present?
- Is there an ammonia/water mixture under the surface?
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antoniseb
post Jan 6 2006, 07:55 PM
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I voted for Iapetus, but realistically we need to look at what sensing capability Cassini has, and also how much Hydrazine it has to do the work. I think it makes a lot of sense to keep Cassini in a high polar orbit so it can still be operational in July 2010 when the rings are next lined up with the Sun. I don't think that we'll learn all that much more about Titan by having another fifteen encounters with it. We might get some more detailed mapping. Possibly we could see some Titalogic feature change, but that's a long shot.

My thought would be to put Cassini into a near polar orbit via a series of encounters with Titan and Iapetus, and increase the perisaturn distance roughly the orbit of Iapetus so as to reduce the number of encounters with moons that they need to use Hydrazine to fine tune.
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ljk4-1
post Jan 6 2006, 08:00 PM
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How about sending it on to flybys of Uranus and Neptune? And Chiron?


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post Jan 8 2006, 03:25 AM
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QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 12:00 PM)
How about sending it on to flybys of Uranus and Neptune?  And Chiron?
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A minimum-energy transfer from Saturn to Uranus would take about 50 years, during which time the probability of craft failure would only climb. Neptune would be far worse. During the cruise, no close flybys would take place. Even if Saturn-escape were feasible, this would be a way to minimize Cassini's science return.

Really, the priorities have to be (1) Titan, (2) Enceladus, (3) the rings, (4) Iapetus. Titan needs greater spatial coverage (it seems that even the maximal extended mission will result in gaps in the RADAR mapping). Enceladus needs greater temporal coverage (do the jets vary in their activity over mission timescales?), and will be sufficiently mapped at medium, but not high, resolutions in the primary mission. The rings offer vast spans of territory that is not entirely isotropic, and lots of temporal and spatial coverage could be a plus. Iapetus is a world of perhaps as few as one mystery, and it might be resolved with as few as three (or less) choice images that could be snapped in the remaining primary mission flybys if we're lucky.

If Iapetus is not figured out by the end of the primary mission, it should earn just one more well-targeted flyby at most. Titan, though, merits as many flybys as possible.
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post Jan 8 2006, 03:57 AM
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 7 2006, 09:25 PM)
...If Iapetus is not figured out by the end of the primary mission, it should earn just one more well-targeted flyby at most. Titan, though, merits as many flybys as possible.
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I agree. Also, you have to understand the situation with Iapetus -- that moon may embody a mystery, but it's a *frozen* mystery, frozen into Iapetus ever since the events that resulted in its current configuration and appearance. Whereas Titan and Enceladus are both exhibiting dynamic changes that can be studied during the course of the mission, Iapetus' secrets will stay safe and sound for many missions to come.

During the remaining time Cassini has to explore the Saturn system, I'd rather see it explore the dynamic systems available for obervation -- primarily, Titan and Enceladus, although Saturn and the rings also qualify.

If we can't unlock Iapetus' secrets in another two or three good, close flybys, I think we really ought to leave that mystery for later missions. That particular mystery isn't going anywhere. But it's always possible to see something unique in a dynamic system that will unlock a greater set of mysteries, either within the Cassini dataset or in combination with additional datasets collected, before, during and after Cassini.

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- imran   Primary Target For Extended Mission   Jan 6 2006, 04:32 PM
- - belleraphon1   Since CASSINI cannot be placed in orbit around ANY...   Jan 6 2006, 05:02 PM
- - Toma B   All of these moons are wonderful and extraordinary...   Jan 6 2006, 05:17 PM
- - volcanopele   Titan would be the main focus, just because, as be...   Jan 6 2006, 05:33 PM
|- - Michael Capobianco   My questions: could one Iapetus pass be designed t...   Jan 6 2006, 06:35 PM
|- - belleraphon1   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jan 6 2006, 12:33 PM)Tit...   Jan 6 2006, 07:21 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Jan 6 2006, 12:21 PM)Al...   Jan 6 2006, 10:11 PM
- - elakdawalla   Although I wouldn't call this a "main foc...   Jan 6 2006, 06:33 PM
|- - belleraphon1   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 01:33 PM)Alt...   Jan 6 2006, 07:00 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 06:33 PM)Alt...   Jan 6 2006, 07:38 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 6 2006, 11:38 AM)A...   Jan 6 2006, 07:49 PM
||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 07:49 PM)I...   Jan 6 2006, 08:08 PM
||- - tallbear   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 12:49 PM)I...   Jan 8 2006, 05:53 PM
||- - tallbear   QUOTE (tallbear @ Jan 8 2006, 10:53 AM)The 20...   Jan 8 2006, 09:03 PM
||- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (tallbear @ Jan 8 2006, 09:53 AM)....So...   Jan 9 2006, 04:30 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 6 2006, 07:38 PM)A...   Feb 7 2006, 05:49 PM
- - Bart   I'd like to heartily second Emily's post a...   Jan 6 2006, 07:15 PM
- - antoniseb   I voted for Iapetus, but realistically we need to ...   Jan 6 2006, 07:55 PM
|- - ljk4-1   How about sending it on to flybys of Uranus and Ne...   Jan 6 2006, 08:00 PM
||- - JRehling   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 12:00 PM)How...   Jan 8 2006, 03:25 AM
||- - dvandorn   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 7 2006, 09:25 PM)...If ...   Jan 8 2006, 03:57 AM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (antoniseb @ Jan 6 2006, 12:55 PM)I vot...   Jan 6 2006, 08:10 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   I voted for Titan, both because it is interesting ...   Jan 7 2006, 08:54 PM
|- - Steve G   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jan 7 2006, 01:54 PM)I...   Jan 7 2006, 10:04 PM
- - nprev   Gotta side with the apparent majority here...I thi...   Jan 6 2006, 11:40 PM
- - Myran   Like nprev I ended up with the majorityside with T...   Jan 7 2006, 06:33 PM
- - Decepticon   QUOTE To be honest though, Iapetus is nothing more...   Jan 8 2006, 05:10 AM
|- - ljk4-1   How about if we aim Cassini right at the ridge...   Jan 8 2006, 04:47 PM
- - Decepticon   I picked Titan. And I wish they would focus on Rad...   Jan 8 2006, 04:53 PM
- - edstrick   "....but we really want to have flybys where ...   Jan 9 2006, 08:03 AM
|- - tallbear   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 9 2006, 01:03 AM)...   Jan 9 2006, 08:49 AM
- - Joffan   I voted for Titan also, on the grounds that atmosp...   Mar 19 2006, 08:58 PM
- - Decepticon   The only thing that scares me in the Saturn system...   Mar 19 2006, 10:53 PM
|- - Joffan   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Mar 19 2006, 03:53 PM...   Mar 20 2006, 05:11 AM
|- - ugordan   I think the amount of bipropellant left for the ma...   Mar 20 2006, 08:09 AM
- - J.J.   I voted for Titan. A while back, I remember readi...   Mar 22 2006, 05:27 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Robert Mitchell (Cassini project manager) told me ...   Mar 22 2006, 05:52 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 22 2006, 05:52 A...   Mar 22 2006, 05:32 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yeah, and even if the booms didn't break, they...   Mar 22 2006, 08:51 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 22 2006, 08:51 P...   Mar 22 2006, 09:18 PM
- - Bart   This line of thinking reminds me of an idea that I...   Mar 22 2006, 08:55 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE Is a Titan-like Saturn orbit approachable wi...   Mar 22 2006, 08:59 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 22 2006, 08:59 PM) I...   Mar 22 2006, 09:32 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 22 2006, 10:32...   Mar 22 2006, 09:43 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 22 2006, 01:32...   Mar 22 2006, 10:46 PM
|- - TritonAntares   What about Iapetus? Only one close approach on Se...   Mar 23 2006, 12:09 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Mar 23 2006, 04:09...   Mar 23 2006, 06:13 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 23 2006, 06:13 PM) ...   Mar 23 2006, 07:31 PM
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|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 22 2006, 11:04 PM) Also...   Mar 23 2006, 12:51 AM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 23 2006, 12:51...   Mar 23 2006, 01:41 AM
|- - Bart   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 22 2006, 05:41 P...   Mar 23 2006, 01:54 AM
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|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 23 2006, 12:35 PM) ...   Mar 24 2006, 02:52 AM
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||- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 08:14 AM) 1...   Mar 23 2006, 09:33 AM
||- - Bart   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 12:14 AM) 1...   Mar 23 2006, 05:56 PM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 23 2006, 06:56 PM) Acco...   Mar 23 2006, 06:12 PM
|||- - Bart   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 10:12 AM) F...   Mar 23 2006, 06:26 PM
||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 23 2006, 05:56 PM) Acco...   Mar 23 2006, 06:16 PM
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|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 04:59 PM) T...   Mar 23 2006, 05:00 PM
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|- - ugordan   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Apr 18 2006, 10:43 P...   Apr 19 2006, 07:29 AM
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