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Primary Target For Extended Mission
What should be Cassini's primary focus for an extended mission?
What should be Cassini's primary focus for an extended mission?
Titan [ 58 ] ** [59.18%]
Enceladus [ 18 ] ** [18.37%]
Iapetus [ 12 ] ** [12.24%]
Saturn (Rings/atmosphere) [ 6 ] ** [6.12%]
Other [ 4 ] ** [4.08%]
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imran
post Jan 6 2006, 04:32 PM
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Whether this is a two-year extension or longer I'd still have to go with Titan. There is so much of this world which we don't understand and have only begun to unveil that it begs us to focus our attention on this dynamic world. Some important questions that may only be answered with additional flybys:

- What is the source of methane in the atmosphere?
- Are there any bodies of liquids on the surface?
- Is there active precipitation?
- Is Titan geologically active, i.e. cryvolcanism, tectonism, etc?
- What is the extent of the organics present?
- Is there an ammonia/water mixture under the surface?
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elakdawalla
post Jan 6 2006, 06:33 PM
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Although I wouldn't call this a "main focus," I would like to see the trajectory studied hard for the opportunity to do a pretty close flyby (say around 2,000 km) of one of the itty bitty moons, and to give the flyby a resonably dense set of observations. The closest Cassini will get to any of those things during the primary mission is 10,000 km from Telesto, which happened on October 11. Hyperion looked so bizarre up close, I'd like to see what one or two of the itty bitty ones -- Methone, Pallene, Calypso, Polydeuces, or Helene looks like from that kind of perspective.

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post Jan 6 2006, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 06:33 PM)
Although I wouldn't call this a "main focus," I would like to see the trajectory studied hard for the opportunity to do a pretty close flyby (say around 2,000 km) of one of the itty bitty moons, and to give the flyby a resonably dense set of observations.  The closest Cassini will get to any of those things during the primary mission is 10,000 km from Telesto, which happened on October 11.
Are you sure? I can't say yet how (or if) the new reference trajectory will affect it but there is a non-targeted flyby of Epimetheus on 12/03/07, with the current figures at: Inbound 6364 km flyby, v = 7.5 km/s, phase = 139 deg.

And an earlier non-targeted flyby of Methone on 6/27/07 isn't too shabby, either (Inbound 12636 km flyby, v = 10.3 km/s, phase = 115 deg.).
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post Jan 6 2006, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 6 2006, 11:38 AM)
Are you sure? I can't say yet how (or if) the new reference trajectory will affect it but there is a non-targeted flyby of Epimetheus on 12/03/07, with the current figures at: Inbound 6364 km flyby, v = 7.5 km/s, phase = 139 deg. 
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I'm not totally sure, but I have a list from 2004 of the nontargeteds that the satellites planners were actually planning observations for, and that's the closest one that's in that list. But my list is from 2004 and may have been supplanted by now. I'd be happy to be wrong!

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post Jan 8 2006, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 12:49 PM)
I'm not totally sure, but I have a list from 2004 of the nontargeteds that the satellites planners were actually planning observations for, and that's the closest one that's in that list.  But my list is from 2004 and may have been supplanted by now.  I'd be happy to be wrong!

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The 2007 DOY 337 Epimetheus flyby is in the existing sequence for observations.

FYI the ROCKS are largely in the hands of the RINGS folk and since accurate ephemerides were not available during the planning phase, a number of the good viewing opportunities are not in sequences at present. The two Methone close flybys are not yet in any sequences. There is a Janus flyby near the end of the mission at ~14000 km which also has nt yet been incorporated into existing sequences.

However, the upcoming Tour adjustment will tweak all these nontargeted Rock flybys to some TBD extent.

The RINGS folk have requested that some close flybys of the ROCKS be planned in the EM and have prioritized the lsit of Rock Targets. Closer is certainly better, but we really want to have flybys where the Rock is well lit and will give VIMS a good data set. So the minimum range requested is one that where much of the Rock will be well lit and will fill at least 1/2 of the NAC FOV.

Many of the Rock observations other than the CLOSE flybys are being accomplished using 'retargetables' and therefore do not show up in any sequence products until final planning of the sequences is underway. The CLOSE flybys that are not yet in sequences will quite probably be sequenced but the time for those observations needs to be negotiated.
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post Jan 8 2006, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (tallbear @ Jan 8 2006, 10:53 AM)
The 2007 DOY 337 Epimetheus flyby is in the existing sequence for observations.

FYI the ROCKS are largely in the hands of the RINGS folk and since accurate ephemerides were not available during the planning phase, a number of the good viewing opportunities are not in sequences at present.  The two Methone close flybys are not yet in any sequences.  There is a Janus flyby near the end of the mission at ~14000 km which also has nt yet been incorporated into existing sequences. 

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This may not belong in this thread...but ... Here is a listing of the 30 closest Rock flybys in the present Tour..( after mid 2005 ).. This list also shows if the observations of each flyby are included in present sequences ... It does not show if there is a retargetable that is planned for observations of any of the flybys.

These are opportunities to look at 13 new unexplored bodies. Are they all captured ? Asteroids ? Comets ? Are they all leftovers from the formation of Saturn ? There's a lot to be leared from exploring this family of small Saturnian Satellites.
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- imran   Primary Target For Extended Mission   Jan 6 2006, 04:32 PM
- - belleraphon1   Since CASSINI cannot be placed in orbit around ANY...   Jan 6 2006, 05:02 PM
- - Toma B   All of these moons are wonderful and extraordinary...   Jan 6 2006, 05:17 PM
- - volcanopele   Titan would be the main focus, just because, as be...   Jan 6 2006, 05:33 PM
|- - Michael Capobianco   My questions: could one Iapetus pass be designed t...   Jan 6 2006, 06:35 PM
|- - belleraphon1   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jan 6 2006, 12:33 PM)Tit...   Jan 6 2006, 07:21 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Jan 6 2006, 12:21 PM)Al...   Jan 6 2006, 10:11 PM
- - elakdawalla   Although I wouldn't call this a "main foc...   Jan 6 2006, 06:33 PM
|- - belleraphon1   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 01:33 PM)Alt...   Jan 6 2006, 07:00 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 06:33 PM)Alt...   Jan 6 2006, 07:38 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 6 2006, 11:38 AM)A...   Jan 6 2006, 07:49 PM
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||- - tallbear   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 12:49 PM)I...   Jan 8 2006, 05:53 PM
||- - tallbear   QUOTE (tallbear @ Jan 8 2006, 10:53 AM)The 20...   Jan 8 2006, 09:03 PM
||- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (tallbear @ Jan 8 2006, 09:53 AM)....So...   Jan 9 2006, 04:30 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 6 2006, 07:38 PM)A...   Feb 7 2006, 05:49 PM
- - Bart   I'd like to heartily second Emily's post a...   Jan 6 2006, 07:15 PM
- - antoniseb   I voted for Iapetus, but realistically we need to ...   Jan 6 2006, 07:55 PM
|- - ljk4-1   How about sending it on to flybys of Uranus and Ne...   Jan 6 2006, 08:00 PM
||- - JRehling   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 12:00 PM)How...   Jan 8 2006, 03:25 AM
||- - dvandorn   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 7 2006, 09:25 PM)...If ...   Jan 8 2006, 03:57 AM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (antoniseb @ Jan 6 2006, 12:55 PM)I vot...   Jan 6 2006, 08:10 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   I voted for Titan, both because it is interesting ...   Jan 7 2006, 08:54 PM
|- - Steve G   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jan 7 2006, 01:54 PM)I...   Jan 7 2006, 10:04 PM
- - nprev   Gotta side with the apparent majority here...I thi...   Jan 6 2006, 11:40 PM
- - Myran   Like nprev I ended up with the majorityside with T...   Jan 7 2006, 06:33 PM
- - Decepticon   QUOTE To be honest though, Iapetus is nothing more...   Jan 8 2006, 05:10 AM
|- - ljk4-1   How about if we aim Cassini right at the ridge...   Jan 8 2006, 04:47 PM
- - Decepticon   I picked Titan. And I wish they would focus on Rad...   Jan 8 2006, 04:53 PM
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|- - tallbear   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 9 2006, 01:03 AM)...   Jan 9 2006, 08:49 AM
- - Joffan   I voted for Titan also, on the grounds that atmosp...   Mar 19 2006, 08:58 PM
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- - BruceMoomaw   Robert Mitchell (Cassini project manager) told me ...   Mar 22 2006, 05:52 AM
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