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Jan 6 2006, 04:32 PM
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Whether this is a two-year extension or longer I'd still have to go with Titan. There is so much of this world which we don't understand and have only begun to unveil that it begs us to focus our attention on this dynamic world. Some important questions that may only be answered with additional flybys:
- What is the source of methane in the atmosphere? - Are there any bodies of liquids on the surface? - Is there active precipitation? - Is Titan geologically active, i.e. cryvolcanism, tectonism, etc? - What is the extent of the organics present? - Is there an ammonia/water mixture under the surface? |
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Jan 6 2006, 06:33 PM
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Although I wouldn't call this a "main focus," I would like to see the trajectory studied hard for the opportunity to do a pretty close flyby (say around 2,000 km) of one of the itty bitty moons, and to give the flyby a resonably dense set of observations. The closest Cassini will get to any of those things during the primary mission is 10,000 km from Telesto, which happened on October 11. Hyperion looked so bizarre up close, I'd like to see what one or two of the itty bitty ones -- Methone, Pallene, Calypso, Polydeuces, or Helene looks like from that kind of perspective.
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Jan 6 2006, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 06:33 PM) Although I wouldn't call this a "main focus," I would like to see the trajectory studied hard for the opportunity to do a pretty close flyby (say around 2,000 km) of one of the itty bitty moons, and to give the flyby a resonably dense set of observations. The closest Cassini will get to any of those things during the primary mission is 10,000 km from Telesto, which happened on October 11. Are you sure? I can't say yet how (or if) the new reference trajectory will affect it but there is a non-targeted flyby of Epimetheus on 12/03/07, with the current figures at: Inbound 6364 km flyby, v = 7.5 km/s, phase = 139 deg. And an earlier non-targeted flyby of Methone on 6/27/07 isn't too shabby, either (Inbound 12636 km flyby, v = 10.3 km/s, phase = 115 deg.). |
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Jan 6 2006, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 6 2006, 11:38 AM) Are you sure? I can't say yet how (or if) the new reference trajectory will affect it but there is a non-targeted flyby of Epimetheus on 12/03/07, with the current figures at: Inbound 6364 km flyby, v = 7.5 km/s, phase = 139 deg. I'm not totally sure, but I have a list from 2004 of the nontargeteds that the satellites planners were actually planning observations for, and that's the closest one that's in that list. But my list is from 2004 and may have been supplanted by now. I'd be happy to be wrong! --Emily -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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Jan 8 2006, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 12:49 PM) I'm not totally sure, but I have a list from 2004 of the nontargeteds that the satellites planners were actually planning observations for, and that's the closest one that's in that list. But my list is from 2004 and may have been supplanted by now. I'd be happy to be wrong! --Emily The 2007 DOY 337 Epimetheus flyby is in the existing sequence for observations. FYI the ROCKS are largely in the hands of the RINGS folk and since accurate ephemerides were not available during the planning phase, a number of the good viewing opportunities are not in sequences at present. The two Methone close flybys are not yet in any sequences. There is a Janus flyby near the end of the mission at ~14000 km which also has nt yet been incorporated into existing sequences. However, the upcoming Tour adjustment will tweak all these nontargeted Rock flybys to some TBD extent. The RINGS folk have requested that some close flybys of the ROCKS be planned in the EM and have prioritized the lsit of Rock Targets. Closer is certainly better, but we really want to have flybys where the Rock is well lit and will give VIMS a good data set. So the minimum range requested is one that where much of the Rock will be well lit and will fill at least 1/2 of the NAC FOV. Many of the Rock observations other than the CLOSE flybys are being accomplished using 'retargetables' and therefore do not show up in any sequence products until final planning of the sequences is underway. The CLOSE flybys that are not yet in sequences will quite probably be sequenced but the time for those observations needs to be negotiated. |
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Jan 8 2006, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (tallbear @ Jan 8 2006, 10:53 AM) The 2007 DOY 337 Epimetheus flyby is in the existing sequence for observations. FYI the ROCKS are largely in the hands of the RINGS folk and since accurate ephemerides were not available during the planning phase, a number of the good viewing opportunities are not in sequences at present. The two Methone close flybys are not yet in any sequences. There is a Janus flyby near the end of the mission at ~14000 km which also has nt yet been incorporated into existing sequences. This may not belong in this thread...but ... Here is a listing of the 30 closest Rock flybys in the present Tour..( after mid 2005 ).. This list also shows if the observations of each flyby are included in present sequences ... It does not show if there is a retargetable that is planned for observations of any of the flybys. These are opportunities to look at 13 new unexplored bodies. Are they all captured ? Asteroids ? Comets ? Are they all leftovers from the formation of Saturn ? There's a lot to be leared from exploring this family of small Saturnian Satellites.
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imran Primary Target For Extended Mission Jan 6 2006, 04:32 PM
belleraphon1 Since CASSINI cannot be placed in orbit around ANY... Jan 6 2006, 05:02 PM
Toma B All of these moons are wonderful and extraordinary... Jan 6 2006, 05:17 PM
volcanopele Titan would be the main focus, just because, as be... Jan 6 2006, 05:33 PM
Michael Capobianco My questions: could one Iapetus pass be designed t... Jan 6 2006, 06:35 PM
belleraphon1 QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jan 6 2006, 12:33 PM)Tit... Jan 6 2006, 07:21 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Jan 6 2006, 12:21 PM)Al... Jan 6 2006, 10:11 PM
belleraphon1 QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 01:33 PM)Alt... Jan 6 2006, 07:00 PM

AlexBlackwell QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 07:49 PM)I... Jan 6 2006, 08:08 PM

elakdawalla QUOTE (tallbear @ Jan 8 2006, 09:53 AM)....So... Jan 9 2006, 04:30 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 6 2006, 07:38 PM)A... Feb 7 2006, 05:49 PM
Bart I'd like to heartily second Emily's post a... Jan 6 2006, 07:15 PM
antoniseb I voted for Iapetus, but realistically we need to ... Jan 6 2006, 07:55 PM
ljk4-1 How about sending it on to flybys of Uranus and Ne... Jan 6 2006, 08:00 PM

JRehling QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 12:00 PM)How... Jan 8 2006, 03:25 AM

dvandorn QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 7 2006, 09:25 PM)...If ... Jan 8 2006, 03:57 AM
volcanopele QUOTE (antoniseb @ Jan 6 2006, 12:55 PM)I vot... Jan 6 2006, 08:10 PM
Bjorn Jonsson I voted for Titan, both because it is interesting ... Jan 7 2006, 08:54 PM
Steve G QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jan 7 2006, 01:54 PM)I... Jan 7 2006, 10:04 PM
nprev Gotta side with the apparent majority here...I thi... Jan 6 2006, 11:40 PM
Myran Like nprev I ended up with the majorityside with T... Jan 7 2006, 06:33 PM
Decepticon QUOTE To be honest though, Iapetus is nothing more... Jan 8 2006, 05:10 AM
ljk4-1 How about if we aim Cassini right at the ridge... Jan 8 2006, 04:47 PM
Decepticon I picked Titan. And I wish they would focus on Rad... Jan 8 2006, 04:53 PM
edstrick "....but we really want to have flybys where ... Jan 9 2006, 08:03 AM
tallbear QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 9 2006, 01:03 AM)... Jan 9 2006, 08:49 AM
Joffan I voted for Titan also, on the grounds that atmosp... Mar 19 2006, 08:58 PM
Decepticon The only thing that scares me in the Saturn system... Mar 19 2006, 10:53 PM
Joffan QUOTE (Decepticon @ Mar 19 2006, 03:53 PM... Mar 20 2006, 05:11 AM
ugordan I think the amount of bipropellant left for the ma... Mar 20 2006, 08:09 AM
J.J. I voted for Titan. A while back, I remember readi... Mar 22 2006, 05:27 AM
BruceMoomaw Robert Mitchell (Cassini project manager) told me ... Mar 22 2006, 05:52 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 22 2006, 05:52 A... Mar 22 2006, 05:32 PM
BruceMoomaw Yeah, and even if the booms didn't break, they... Mar 22 2006, 08:51 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 22 2006, 08:51 P... Mar 22 2006, 09:18 PM
Bart This line of thinking reminds me of an idea that I... Mar 22 2006, 08:55 PM
ugordan QUOTE Is a Titan-like Saturn orbit approachable wi... Mar 22 2006, 08:59 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 22 2006, 08:59 PM) I... Mar 22 2006, 09:32 PM
ugordan QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 22 2006, 10:32... Mar 22 2006, 09:43 PM
JRehling QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 22 2006, 01:32... Mar 22 2006, 10:46 PM
TritonAntares What about Iapetus?
Only one close approach on Se... Mar 23 2006, 12:09 PM
JRehling QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Mar 23 2006, 04:09... Mar 23 2006, 06:13 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 23 2006, 06:13 PM) ... Mar 23 2006, 07:31 PM
Bart Wouldn't it be possible to set up the flybys s... Mar 22 2006, 11:04 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 22 2006, 03:04 PM) Also... Mar 22 2006, 11:30 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 22 2006, 11:04 PM) Also... Mar 23 2006, 12:51 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 23 2006, 12:51... Mar 23 2006, 01:41 AM
Bart QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 22 2006, 05:41 P... Mar 23 2006, 01:54 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 23 2006, 01:41 A... Mar 23 2006, 06:26 PM
JRehling QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 23 2006, 10:26... Mar 23 2006, 06:35 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 23 2006, 12:35 PM) ... Mar 24 2006, 02:52 AM
TritonAntares Ok, I try on advertising for more Iapetus encounte... Mar 24 2006, 05:56 PM
Bart I just looked up the formulas and did the calculat... Mar 23 2006, 01:05 AM
ugordan QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 23 2006, 02:05 AM) As f... Mar 23 2006, 08:14 AM

Bjorn Jonsson QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 08:14 AM) 1... Mar 23 2006, 09:33 AM

Bart QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 12:14 AM) 1... Mar 23 2006, 05:56 PM

ugordan QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 23 2006, 06:56 PM) Acco... Mar 23 2006, 06:12 PM


Bart QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 10:12 AM) F... Mar 23 2006, 06:26 PM

AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 23 2006, 05:56 PM) Acco... Mar 23 2006, 06:16 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 23 2006, 01:05 AM) EDIT... Mar 23 2006, 04:39 PM
ugordan QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 23 2006, 05:39... Mar 23 2006, 04:59 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 04:59 PM) T... Mar 23 2006, 05:00 PM
nprev Just out of curiosity, have forward-contamination ... Mar 23 2006, 02:15 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 23 2006, 02:15 AM) Jus... Apr 5 2006, 01:16 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (Cassini Event Log)The Rings, Saturn, and Ti... Apr 18 2006, 05:25 PM
BruceMoomaw Looks like it's time for me to ask Bob Mitchel... Apr 18 2006, 09:17 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 18 2006, 02:17 P... Apr 18 2006, 09:43 PM
ugordan QUOTE (volcanopele @ Apr 18 2006, 10:43 P... Apr 19 2006, 07:29 AM
BruceMoomaw Makes sense. Anything more that you or Alex can t... Apr 18 2006, 10:24 PM
BruceMoomaw VIMS' spatial resolution in its 2-micron band ... Apr 19 2006, 03:06 PM
BruceMoomaw Digging on the Web has revealed two limited fragme... Apr 24 2006, 04:13 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 23 2006, 10:13 P... Apr 24 2006, 02:14 PM
tasp Looking at the A-ring up close? I didn't real... Apr 24 2006, 04:32 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, I don't know if it is still an option --... Apr 24 2006, 05:27 AM
edstrick I have assumed that a probable objective during th... Apr 25 2006, 04:51 AM
BruceMoomaw Ah. That must be why one of those practice tour d... Apr 25 2006, 05:57 AM
Bjorn Jonsson This must be highly desireable since a lot of uniq... Apr 25 2006, 01:25 PM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Apr 25 2006, 07:25... Apr 27 2006, 03:18 PM
BruceMoomaw I doubt it. Any closeup A Ring flyby will have to... Apr 27 2006, 07:16 PM
TritonAntares Hi,
it has been quiet on this forum for a while...... Jun 4 2006, 07:20 PM
BruceMoomaw I've been watching for it carefully, but haven... Jun 4 2006, 11:30 PM
TritonAntares Hello,
about 3 months ago I asked for plans for th... Aug 28 2006, 04:47 PM
JRehling QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Aug 28 2006, 09:47... Aug 28 2006, 05:06 PM
TritonAntares QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 28 2006, 06:06 PM) ... Sep 4 2006, 06:29 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Sep 4 2006, 06:29 ... Sep 5 2006, 08:17 PM
ugordan QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 5 2006, 09:17 PM) i... Sep 5 2006, 09:29 PM
vexgizmo QUOTE (ugordan @ Sep 5 2006, 02:29 PM) No... Sep 7 2006, 02:44 AM
mchan If and when Cassini finally goes for Saturn entry,... Sep 7 2006, 03:13 AM
nprev QUOTE (mchan @ Sep 6 2006, 08:13 PM) If a... Sep 7 2006, 04:28 AM
Mariner9 Well, 15 more RADAR passes and 5 Enceledus close e... Sep 5 2006, 08:14 PM
remcook There are so many things to consider... to look at... Sep 5 2006, 08:29 PM
edstrick I thought that it would be possible to extend the ... Sep 7 2006, 11:57 AM
rogelio After the two year extended mission, why not just ... Sep 7 2006, 08:29 PM
ermar QUOTE (rogelio @ Sep 7 2006, 08:29 PM) Af... Sep 8 2006, 02:49 AM
ugordan I agree deliberately crashing a probe on the groun... Sep 8 2006, 08:51 AM![]() ![]() |
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