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Jan 6 2006, 04:32 PM
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Whether this is a two-year extension or longer I'd still have to go with Titan. There is so much of this world which we don't understand and have only begun to unveil that it begs us to focus our attention on this dynamic world. Some important questions that may only be answered with additional flybys:
- What is the source of methane in the atmosphere? - Are there any bodies of liquids on the surface? - Is there active precipitation? - Is Titan geologically active, i.e. cryvolcanism, tectonism, etc? - What is the extent of the organics present? - Is there an ammonia/water mixture under the surface? |
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Apr 24 2006, 04:13 AM
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Digging on the Web has revealed two limited fragments of publicly available information about the planning for an extended mission.
(1) The Cassini Plasma Spectrometer team has its team meetings available on the Web ( http://caps.space.swri.edu/caps/TeamMeetings/teammeet.html ), and the last two (#31 and 32) have some interesting tidbits. First, we have confirmation that the main limiting factors in the planning are the fact that will be 165+ 35 meters/sec of main engine delta-V left for the E.M., and at an average of 10 meters/sec for each targeted encounter that means 13-20 encounters (presumably including other moons as well as Titan). Of course, these can -- and very well may -- all be stretched out in timing for a very long period, just as Cassini can go on observing the Saturn system long after it loses its ability to set up any more flybys. Second, there are the four momentum wheels, of which one is currently off due to "bearing cage oscillation" (but can still be reactivated as a substitute if one of the others fails). When we lose two, Cassini will have to start falling back on its attitude fuel during all three-axis stabilized observation periods. Second, the final tour selection will come next February -- but the first 4 orbits of the extended mission have already been chosen to ease transition planning (just as the early orbits of the primary mission, through mid-2005, were also chosen well ahead of the rest). No clue, however, as to what they involve. Third, all plans call for Cassini to be returned to a ring-plane orbit; but there's a dispute over how long to wait before doing so. Ring and aurora scientists want to leave Cassini highly inclined for up to 9 more orbits before starting down; others feel differently. Whenever they start the transition, just getting back to the ring plane will itself take about 8 Titan encounters -- half the number of moon encounters that Cassini will have left in it. Fourth, the document says that nine sample tours have been generated by the nav team, mostly to show the consequences of basic choices (reducing inclination fast or slowly, moving apoapsis to the nightside clockwise or counterclockwise; using the "180-degrees apart" Titan flyby strategy a second time or not). These, however, being just crude models, lack many of the features of the real Extended Mission -- for instance, they include no specific icy moon flybys or designed occultations. Not do they include any "special things" -- and the CAPS team specifies two such special things that might possibly be put into the Extended Mission. Cassini might be put into an orbit with a period that's a multiple of Enceladus' period, so tht it can make repeated flybys of that moon; and/or it might be put into a modestly inclined orbit with its periapsis very greatly lowered so that the craft can actually fly "over" much of the A Ring for detailed cross-sectional observations (as it did during its initial orbit insertion). (2) The Magnetometer team have a document that provides more data on those nine sample tours: http://www.sp.ph.ic.ac.uk/~nach/EM/Extende..._Encounters.xls Three of them start out by actually further increasing Cassini's inclination at the end of its primary mission (75.4 degrees) up to about 80 degrees before lowering it again to the ring plane. Another, after spending some time in the ring plane, raises the craft's inclination again during equinox. Two of them return to the magnetotail; and one "attempts to maximize the number of close non-targeted small satellite flybys, with particular emphasis on Enceladus." That one uses the maximum delta-C (159 m/sec); some of the others use as little as 82. |
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imran Primary Target For Extended Mission Jan 6 2006, 04:32 PM
belleraphon1 Since CASSINI cannot be placed in orbit around ANY... Jan 6 2006, 05:02 PM
Toma B All of these moons are wonderful and extraordinary... Jan 6 2006, 05:17 PM
volcanopele Titan would be the main focus, just because, as be... Jan 6 2006, 05:33 PM
Michael Capobianco My questions: could one Iapetus pass be designed t... Jan 6 2006, 06:35 PM
belleraphon1 QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jan 6 2006, 12:33 PM)Tit... Jan 6 2006, 07:21 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Jan 6 2006, 12:21 PM)Al... Jan 6 2006, 10:11 PM
elakdawalla Although I wouldn't call this a "main foc... Jan 6 2006, 06:33 PM
belleraphon1 QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 01:33 PM)Alt... Jan 6 2006, 07:00 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 06:33 PM)Alt... Jan 6 2006, 07:38 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 6 2006, 11:38 AM)A... Jan 6 2006, 07:49 PM

AlexBlackwell QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 07:49 PM)I... Jan 6 2006, 08:08 PM

tallbear QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 6 2006, 12:49 PM)I... Jan 8 2006, 05:53 PM

tallbear QUOTE (tallbear @ Jan 8 2006, 10:53 AM)The 20... Jan 8 2006, 09:03 PM

elakdawalla QUOTE (tallbear @ Jan 8 2006, 09:53 AM)....So... Jan 9 2006, 04:30 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jan 6 2006, 07:38 PM)A... Feb 7 2006, 05:49 PM
Bart I'd like to heartily second Emily's post a... Jan 6 2006, 07:15 PM
antoniseb I voted for Iapetus, but realistically we need to ... Jan 6 2006, 07:55 PM
ljk4-1 How about sending it on to flybys of Uranus and Ne... Jan 6 2006, 08:00 PM

JRehling QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2006, 12:00 PM)How... Jan 8 2006, 03:25 AM

dvandorn QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 7 2006, 09:25 PM)...If ... Jan 8 2006, 03:57 AM
volcanopele QUOTE (antoniseb @ Jan 6 2006, 12:55 PM)I vot... Jan 6 2006, 08:10 PM
Bjorn Jonsson I voted for Titan, both because it is interesting ... Jan 7 2006, 08:54 PM
Steve G QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jan 7 2006, 01:54 PM)I... Jan 7 2006, 10:04 PM
nprev Gotta side with the apparent majority here...I thi... Jan 6 2006, 11:40 PM
Myran Like nprev I ended up with the majorityside with T... Jan 7 2006, 06:33 PM
Decepticon QUOTE To be honest though, Iapetus is nothing more... Jan 8 2006, 05:10 AM
ljk4-1 How about if we aim Cassini right at the ridge... Jan 8 2006, 04:47 PM
Decepticon I picked Titan. And I wish they would focus on Rad... Jan 8 2006, 04:53 PM
edstrick "....but we really want to have flybys where ... Jan 9 2006, 08:03 AM
tallbear QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 9 2006, 01:03 AM)... Jan 9 2006, 08:49 AM
Joffan I voted for Titan also, on the grounds that atmosp... Mar 19 2006, 08:58 PM
Decepticon The only thing that scares me in the Saturn system... Mar 19 2006, 10:53 PM
Joffan QUOTE (Decepticon @ Mar 19 2006, 03:53 PM... Mar 20 2006, 05:11 AM
ugordan I think the amount of bipropellant left for the ma... Mar 20 2006, 08:09 AM
J.J. I voted for Titan. A while back, I remember readi... Mar 22 2006, 05:27 AM
BruceMoomaw Robert Mitchell (Cassini project manager) told me ... Mar 22 2006, 05:52 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 22 2006, 05:52 A... Mar 22 2006, 05:32 PM
BruceMoomaw Yeah, and even if the booms didn't break, they... Mar 22 2006, 08:51 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 22 2006, 08:51 P... Mar 22 2006, 09:18 PM
Bart This line of thinking reminds me of an idea that I... Mar 22 2006, 08:55 PM
ugordan QUOTE Is a Titan-like Saturn orbit approachable wi... Mar 22 2006, 08:59 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 22 2006, 08:59 PM) I... Mar 22 2006, 09:32 PM
ugordan QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 22 2006, 10:32... Mar 22 2006, 09:43 PM
JRehling QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 22 2006, 01:32... Mar 22 2006, 10:46 PM
TritonAntares What about Iapetus?
Only one close approach on Se... Mar 23 2006, 12:09 PM
JRehling QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Mar 23 2006, 04:09... Mar 23 2006, 06:13 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 23 2006, 06:13 PM) ... Mar 23 2006, 07:31 PM
Bart Wouldn't it be possible to set up the flybys s... Mar 22 2006, 11:04 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 22 2006, 03:04 PM) Also... Mar 22 2006, 11:30 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 22 2006, 11:04 PM) Also... Mar 23 2006, 12:51 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 23 2006, 12:51... Mar 23 2006, 01:41 AM
Bart QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 22 2006, 05:41 P... Mar 23 2006, 01:54 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 23 2006, 01:41 A... Mar 23 2006, 06:26 PM
JRehling QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 23 2006, 10:26... Mar 23 2006, 06:35 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 23 2006, 12:35 PM) ... Mar 24 2006, 02:52 AM
TritonAntares Ok, I try on advertising for more Iapetus encounte... Mar 24 2006, 05:56 PM
Bart I just looked up the formulas and did the calculat... Mar 23 2006, 01:05 AM
ugordan QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 23 2006, 02:05 AM) As f... Mar 23 2006, 08:14 AM

Bjorn Jonsson QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 08:14 AM) 1... Mar 23 2006, 09:33 AM

Bart QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 12:14 AM) 1... Mar 23 2006, 05:56 PM

ugordan QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 23 2006, 06:56 PM) Acco... Mar 23 2006, 06:12 PM


Bart QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 10:12 AM) F... Mar 23 2006, 06:26 PM

AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 23 2006, 05:56 PM) Acco... Mar 23 2006, 06:16 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (Bart @ Mar 23 2006, 01:05 AM) EDIT... Mar 23 2006, 04:39 PM
ugordan QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 23 2006, 05:39... Mar 23 2006, 04:59 PM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 23 2006, 04:59 PM) T... Mar 23 2006, 05:00 PM
nprev Just out of curiosity, have forward-contamination ... Mar 23 2006, 02:15 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 23 2006, 02:15 AM) Jus... Apr 5 2006, 01:16 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (Cassini Event Log)The Rings, Saturn, and Ti... Apr 18 2006, 05:25 PM
BruceMoomaw Looks like it's time for me to ask Bob Mitchel... Apr 18 2006, 09:17 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 18 2006, 02:17 P... Apr 18 2006, 09:43 PM
ugordan QUOTE (volcanopele @ Apr 18 2006, 10:43 P... Apr 19 2006, 07:29 AM
BruceMoomaw Makes sense. Anything more that you or Alex can t... Apr 18 2006, 10:24 PM
BruceMoomaw VIMS' spatial resolution in its 2-micron band ... Apr 19 2006, 03:06 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 23 2006, 10:13 P... Apr 24 2006, 02:14 PM
tasp Looking at the A-ring up close? I didn't real... Apr 24 2006, 04:32 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, I don't know if it is still an option --... Apr 24 2006, 05:27 AM
edstrick I have assumed that a probable objective during th... Apr 25 2006, 04:51 AM
BruceMoomaw Ah. That must be why one of those practice tour d... Apr 25 2006, 05:57 AM
Bjorn Jonsson This must be highly desireable since a lot of uniq... Apr 25 2006, 01:25 PM
Rob Pinnegar QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Apr 25 2006, 07:25... Apr 27 2006, 03:18 PM
BruceMoomaw I doubt it. Any closeup A Ring flyby will have to... Apr 27 2006, 07:16 PM
TritonAntares Hi,
it has been quiet on this forum for a while...... Jun 4 2006, 07:20 PM
BruceMoomaw I've been watching for it carefully, but haven... Jun 4 2006, 11:30 PM
TritonAntares Hello,
about 3 months ago I asked for plans for th... Aug 28 2006, 04:47 PM
JRehling QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Aug 28 2006, 09:47... Aug 28 2006, 05:06 PM
TritonAntares QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 28 2006, 06:06 PM) ... Sep 4 2006, 06:29 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Sep 4 2006, 06:29 ... Sep 5 2006, 08:17 PM
ugordan QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 5 2006, 09:17 PM) i... Sep 5 2006, 09:29 PM
vexgizmo QUOTE (ugordan @ Sep 5 2006, 02:29 PM) No... Sep 7 2006, 02:44 AM
mchan If and when Cassini finally goes for Saturn entry,... Sep 7 2006, 03:13 AM
nprev QUOTE (mchan @ Sep 6 2006, 08:13 PM) If a... Sep 7 2006, 04:28 AM
Mariner9 Well, 15 more RADAR passes and 5 Enceledus close e... Sep 5 2006, 08:14 PM
remcook There are so many things to consider... to look at... Sep 5 2006, 08:29 PM
edstrick I thought that it would be possible to extend the ... Sep 7 2006, 11:57 AM
rogelio After the two year extended mission, why not just ... Sep 7 2006, 08:29 PM
ermar QUOTE (rogelio @ Sep 7 2006, 08:29 PM) Af... Sep 8 2006, 02:49 AM
ugordan I agree deliberately crashing a probe on the groun... Sep 8 2006, 08:51 AM![]() ![]() |
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